Currantly there is a lot of help and resources out there for making and critiquing suggestions in this section. Whether it is the "Read this before you make a suggestion" post or the "For the critics" thread, or even the "Overacheivers Guide" that is somewhere around here.
What I want to know is there a thread that discusses how to make a good argument for your suggestion?
With all the age groups on here and all the different demographics here, there is a lot of miscommunication that occurs.
If there is not a resource like this, I want to know if there is a need for it. I want to know if I or some other person should maybe make a thread that discusses some basic appeals in arguments (suggestions are arguments, you are arguing why your suggestion should be on the game), how to connect with your audience, how to present your idea well, ect.
I have just seen quite a number of "why does this thread get support and views and mine doesn't. Waahhhhh!" Posts over my time, and I felt that maybe an informational post might remedy that.
What I need to know is of the community feels the need for a thread discussing basic English concepts, and if the mods will allow it.
After I gets some good feedback, I'll mark this thread for deletion.
I'm pretty sure there's a section on "Read This Before Making a Suggestion" about arguments not to make, though I'm not sure there's something on how to do it effectively. I do think it'd be a good thread to make. However, no offense, but they'd probably use someone else. Nothing against you or your abilities, but they'd probably use a member who has more experience in this and has been here longer, like Cerroz or Badprenup.
I'm pretty sure there's a section on "Read This Before Making a Suggestion" about arguments not to make, though I'm not sure there's something on how to do it effectively. I do think it'd be a good thread to make. However, no offense, but they'd probably use someone else. Nothing against you or your abilities, but they'd probably use a member who has more experience in this and has been here longer, like Cerroz or Badprenup.
Makes sense. I'm not great at formatting or making effective arguments myself, I just felt that some attention should be paid to this tiny issue.
I I have just seen quite a number of "why does this thread get support and views and mine doesn't. Waahhhhh!" Posts over my time, and I felt that maybe an informational post might remedy that.
Makes sense. I'm not great at formatting or making effective arguments myself, I just felt that some attention should be paid to this tiny issue.
I I have just seen quite a number of "why does this thread get support and views and mine doesn't. Waahhhhh!" Posts over my time, and I felt that maybe an informational post might remedy that.
I believe it's a matter of the content of the suggestion. If you make a suggestion about adding new food, and another person makes a suggestion for new generated structures (Excluding the fact that both ideas are neither good or bad, but on what would be suggested in the thread), the generated structure thread would get more noticed than one about food. I believe it's a matter of how many times one idea is being suggested. The more unique the suggestion is, the more it is capable of being viewed.
Then again, the contents of a suggestion is just one factor to look at, you also need to take responsibility as the OP to keep your thread as lively as possible and to answer the questions and critiques that the audience is providing.
As everyone has said before me, PRTBMAS covers a good number of arguments, specifically what to avoid. But it's also a good idea to look at FTC, since it also provides some help as well. As far as it goes though, when arguing or debating with someone, you need to use common sense and take your suggestion into consideration with what another person is saying. If someone is saying something is wrong with it (with good reasoning and evidence, of course) add your suggestion to the equation and see how it would work. Otherwise you can explain to them why it's better as it is, or reach some kind of negotiation.
Other than that, if you were so keen on looking over how to make better arguments, why don't you ask Therasis in her thread to add some kind of section that covers like that if you were so keen on making this thread?
The first guide had a plethora of a list of excuses and presentations not to use. The 2.0 guide has them, but are seamlessly meshed in with the more important, general sections - rather than just being a massive list. There was talk of Theriasis adding a section just having to do with logical fallacies, but wasn't added because she didn't want to bloat the guide more than it already was.
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Yeah, that guy in the avatar is me. I'm *that* strange. It happens. Sometimes people act like that. Just go with it. I can offer help with suggestions even before you post them - NOT make your suggestions - but help you with them.
I would ask that OP add me and theriasis to a PM so we can discuss this.
While I'm not going to add something like this directly to the body of FTC, I can make an in-thread link to a post. It just depends on where OP would find it most effective.
Currantly there is a lot of help and resources out there for making and critiquing suggestions in this section. Whether it is the "Read this before you make a suggestion" post or the "For the critics" thread, or even the "Overacheivers Guide" that is somewhere around here.
What I want to know is there a thread that discusses how to make a good argument for your suggestion?
With all the age groups on here and all the different demographics here, there is a lot of miscommunication that occurs.
If there is not a resource like this, I want to know if there is a need for it. I want to know if I or some other person should maybe make a thread that discusses some basic appeals in arguments (suggestions are arguments, you are arguing why your suggestion should be on the game), how to connect with your audience, how to present your idea well, ect.
I have just seen quite a number of "why does this thread get support and views and mine doesn't. Waahhhhh!" Posts over my time, and I felt that maybe an informational post might remedy that.
What I need to know is of the community feels the need for a thread discussing basic English concepts, and if the mods will allow it.
After I gets some good feedback, I'll mark this thread for deletion.
Thank you for reading!
I think reading the rules and Hall of Fame threads are part of the effort in understanding what is a good structured suggestion and what is not.
I'm pretty sure there's a section on "Read This Before Making a Suggestion" about arguments not to make, though I'm not sure there's something on how to do it effectively. I do think it'd be a good thread to make. However, no offense, but they'd probably use someone else. Nothing against you or your abilities, but they'd probably use a member who has more experience in this and has been here longer, like Cerroz or Badprenup.
Please read these two threads:
http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/minecraft-discussion/suggestions/2572194-please-read-this-before-making-a-suggestion-v2-0
http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/minecraft-discussion/suggestions/44180-for-the-critics-ftc
Makes sense. I'm not great at formatting or making effective arguments myself, I just felt that some attention should be paid to this tiny issue.
I I have just seen quite a number of "why does this thread get support and views and mine doesn't. Waahhhhh!" Posts over my time, and I felt that maybe an informational post might remedy that.
I'll add add some more stuff to the post.
I believe it's a matter of the content of the suggestion. If you make a suggestion about adding new food, and another person makes a suggestion for new generated structures (Excluding the fact that both ideas are neither good or bad, but on what would be suggested in the thread), the generated structure thread would get more noticed than one about food. I believe it's a matter of how many times one idea is being suggested. The more unique the suggestion is, the more it is capable of being viewed.
Then again, the contents of a suggestion is just one factor to look at, you also need to take responsibility as the OP to keep your thread as lively as possible and to answer the questions and critiques that the audience is providing.
As everyone has said before me, PRTBMAS covers a good number of arguments, specifically what to avoid. But it's also a good idea to look at FTC, since it also provides some help as well. As far as it goes though, when arguing or debating with someone, you need to use common sense and take your suggestion into consideration with what another person is saying. If someone is saying something is wrong with it (with good reasoning and evidence, of course) add your suggestion to the equation and see how it would work. Otherwise you can explain to them why it's better as it is, or reach some kind of negotiation.
Other than that, if you were so keen on looking over how to make better arguments, why don't you ask Therasis in her thread to add some kind of section that covers like that if you were so keen on making this thread?
The first guide had a plethora of a list of excuses and presentations not to use. The 2.0 guide has them, but are seamlessly meshed in with the more important, general sections - rather than just being a massive list. There was talk of Theriasis adding a section just having to do with logical fallacies, but wasn't added because she didn't want to bloat the guide more than it already was.
Yeah, that guy in the avatar is me. I'm *that* strange. It happens. Sometimes people act like that. Just go with it. I can offer help with suggestions even before you post them - NOT make your suggestions - but help you with them.
Unofficial Suggestions Guide (2.0) - by Theriasis
Unofficial Critics Guide - by yoshi9048
I would ask that OP add me and theriasis to a PM so we can discuss this.
While I'm not going to add something like this directly to the body of FTC, I can make an in-thread link to a post. It just depends on where OP would find it most effective.
OFFICIAL POSTING/REPLYING GUIDELINES
UNOFFICIAL POSTING GUIDE (PRT)
UNOFFICIAL REPLYING GUIDE (FTC)