And please give me the original creators name as I like to give credits to people who made the textures I did not make.
How about instead you don't use people's artwork without their permission. Youtubers like you are part of the reason the Resource Pack community is dying. Frankly, the RP community is sick of being stolen from. Putting a lot of time and work into a pack only to have some Youtuber steal the textures for a "PvP" pack, and give nothing but "credit" back... if that much.
You all seem to be under the impression that anything we publish you can take and use simply because you're Youtubers. Guess what! Just because something is published doesn't give you the right to appropriate it. Youtube even has a HUGE section revolving around Copyright that you have to read before becoming a partner. That same information applies to Resource Packs as well as music and video. If you don't own it, you DO NOT have the right to redistribute it.
And as for the "credit" thing... do you honestly think that any of the people who download your theft-pack associate those textures with the original artist or the original pack? Half the people in the PvP community can't even identify the textures from Faithful, arguably the second most well-known back right behind Sphax. No, your "credit" is meaningless to the original artist. We get our textures stolen, and don't even get any recognition for it.
With all that said, if you ever track down this pack (no, I will not help you since you stated you have ill intentions right in your post) check the license for that pack. Most packs say outright what you are and are not allowed to do with their textures. If a pack doesn't have a license, then you MAY NOT do anything with those textures and you definitely ARE NOT allowed to redistribute them in your own mix pack.
Please be a good person and stand up for artists' rights. You wouldn't like it if someone started stealing your videos and putting them on their own channel. Please don't do the equivalent to us. Thank you.
How about instead you don't use people's artwork without their permission. Youtubers like you are part of the reason the Resource Pack community is dying. Frankly, the RP community is sick of being stolen from. Putting a lot of time and work into a pack only to have some Youtuber steal the textures for a "PvP" pack, and give nothing but "credit" back... if that much.
You all seem to be under the impression that anything we publish you can take and use simply because you're Youtubers. Guess what! Just because something is published doesn't give you the right to appropriate it. Youtube even has a HUGE section revolving around Copyright that you have to read before becoming a partner. That same information applies to Resource Packs as well as music and video. If you don't own it, you DO NOT have the right to redistribute it.
And as for the "credit" thing... do you honestly think that any of the people who download your theft-pack associate those textures with the original artist or the original pack? Half the people in the PvP community can't even identify the textures from Faithful, arguably the second most well-known back right behind Sphax. No, your "credit" is meaningless to the original artist. We get our textures stolen, and don't even get any recognition for it.
With all that said, if you ever track down this pack (no, I will not help you since you stated you have ill intentions right in your post) check the license for that pack. Most packs say outright what you are and are not allowed to do with their textures. If a pack doesn't have a license, then you MAY NOT do anything with those textures and you definitely ARE NOT allowed to redistribute them in your own mix pack.
Please be a good person and stand up for artists' rights. You wouldn't like it if someone started stealing your videos and putting them on their own channel. Please don't do the equivalent to us. Thank you.
I know a lot of people rob packs but I have no intention of doing so. No need to get so heated, do you even know if the actual makers of the packs I have used have a copyright claim? No. Do you even know if I have contacted any of the makers? No. What if I was making a default edit? Thank you for accusing me of copyright infringing when you haven't even seen my work, let alone what I have used from other packs. Thank you for ruining my thread when I was simply trying to get a armor set.
I know a lot of people rob packs but I have no intention of doing so. No need to get so heated, do you even know if the actual makers of the packs I have used have a copyright claim? No.
Yes. Under the DMCA everything published on the Internet is protected under copyright.
Then you'd be violating Mojang's copyright. They own their textures the same as any other game developer does, and even have a section in their EULA saying that nobody may redistribute anything they've made. I think it's called "The One Big Rule".
Thank you for accusing me of copyright infringing when you haven't even seen my work, let alone what I have used from other packs. Thank you for ruining my thread when I was simply trying to get a armor set.
You're welcome. Please feel free to prove me wrong. I'll happily apologize if you've created a mix pack where everything is on the level. However since you've already shown that you don't understand copyright with a couple of your statements, and you wanted to know the original source to "give credit" rather than "to find out if it can be used", I'm feeling pretty good about my statements right now.
Again, I hope I'm wrong. Have a nice day.
Edit: Took me all of 30 seconds to find your "50 Subscriber Special" which links to a pack illegally distributing Mojang's textures. I'm pretty sure you didn't get permission from them to redistribute their work, so you are in fact stealing textures. I feel fully justified in my statements now. Thanks.
So everyone who's downloaded or/and edited Default Textures has done something 'illegal'?
Downloaded? No. They come with the game. You can't help but download them if you've played Minecraft.
Edited? No. You can edit the game's assets for personal use.
Now if you've SHARED those edits, or the unedited textures themselves, THEN you have done something illegal. Mojang's textures are just as protected by copyright law as the latest pop song or the movie you last watched. It's still a creative work that belongs to its creators.
Yes. Under the DMCA everything published on the Internet is protected under copyright.
Good point, but I honestly doubt it given your attitude.
Then you'd be violating Mojang's copyright. They own their textures the same as any other game developer does, and even have a section in their EULA saying that nobody may redistribute anything they've made. I think it's called "The One Big Rule".
You're welcome. Please feel free to prove me wrong. I'll happily apologize if you've created a mix pack where everything is on the level. However since you've already shown that you don't understand copyright with a couple of your statements, and you wanted to know the original source to "give credit" rather than "to find out if it can be used", I'm feeling pretty good about my statements right now.
Again, I hope I'm wrong. Have a nice day.
Edit: Took me all of 30 seconds to find your "50 Subscriber Special" which links to a pack illegally distributing Mojang's textures. I'm pretty sure you didn't get permission from them to redistribute their work, so you are in fact stealing textures. I feel fully justified in my statements now. Thanks.
Let's talk a bit about my 50 sub special here. I don't use any default in it, but since you have all the facts maybe I am somehow bypassing their copyright (feel free to tell me how). Also all the food is custom FYI.
The swords, armor model and inventory n this pack are custom. Also the "credit" that you speak so negatively about follows all the makers copyright. I have used other textures in the past without giving credit but I am trying to do so now. And FYI I have tried contacting a few makers but only a few have replied. The only person I have not given credit to is this mysterious armor creator that you want to keep from me.
EDIT: Could you please send me defscape copyright? I am having a hard time finding it.
Let's talk a bit about my 50 sub special here. I don't use any default in it, but since you have all the facts maybe I am somehow bypassing their copyright (feel free to tell me how). Also all the food is custom FYI.
I downlaoded it and checked. Almost every single default block, entity, GUI, item, and misc. texture is in there. Don't lie, man. You've been caught. Anyone can download the pack and check it.
I will also tell you about what I use in this new pack. The main filler for the pack is by the user Austin_HG. I have purchased his pack.
If you're talking about This Pack then you'll note that the purchase price does NOT include redistribution rights. You can find more on this in the website's Terms page which states that all digital goods remain the property of their creator, including copyright. What you purchased was the right to use the pack in-game, not to redistribute those textures or use them in any other fashion. The same logic behind why you can't put pop songs up on BitTorrent after buying the CD applies here too.
Also the "credit" that you speak so negatively about follows all the makers copyright. I have used other textures in the past without giving credit but I am trying to do so now.
So what does it matter if it follows the copyright if you don't respect that copyright? You know what copyright is? The Right to make Copies. By default the creator(s) of a work have it, and nobody else does. That's what that means. If you make copies of someone else's work without their consent, you're breaking their copyright. Credit means nothing next to actually respecting the wishes of the artists. Whether you agree with this or not is not relevant.
And FYI I have tried contacting a few makers but only a few have replied. The only person I have not given credit to is this mysterious armor creator that you want to keep from me.
So what? You think that's OK? "He who is silent consents" does not apply to copyright. Unless ALL of the creators give you permission, either in their licenses or by giving you direct permission, then you CAN NOT legally distribute your mix pack. If you've gotten permission for everyone, then that's fine. I have nothing to say in that case. But it seems to me that you're picking and choosing when you actually respect the artist's wishes and when you just do what you want.
Look... I know you're trying here. I can see that. And that's great! But this is an "All-or-nothing" type of deal. You either are within the bounds of copyright, or you are not. There is not middle ground, and you don't get to choose when the rules apply to what you're doing.
I downlaoded it and checked. Almost every single default block, entity, GUI, item, and misc. texture is in there. Don't lie, man. You've been caught. Anyone can download the pack and check it.
If you're talking about This Pack then you'll note that the purchase price does NOT include redistribution rights. You can find more on this in the website's Terms page which states that all digital goods remain the property of their creator, including copyright. What you purchased was the right to use the pack in-game, not to redistribute those textures or use them in any other fashion. The same logic behind why you can't put pop songs up on BitTorrent after buying the CD applies here too.
So what does it matter if it follows the copyright if you don't respect that copyright? You know what copyright is? The Right to make Copies. By default the creator(s) of a work have it, and nobody else does. That's what that means. If you make copies of someone else's work without their consent, you're breaking their copyright. Credit means nothing next to actually respecting the wishes of the artists. Whether you agree with this or not is not relevant.
So what? You think that's OK? "He who is silent consents" does not apply to copyright. Unless ALL of the creators give you permission, either in their licenses or by giving you direct permission, then you CAN NOT legally distribute your mix pack. If you've gotten permission for everyone, then that's fine. I have nothing to say in that case. But it seems to me that you're picking and choosing when you actually respect the artist's wishes and when you just do what you want.
Look... I know you're trying here. I can see that. And that's great! But this is an "All-or-nothing" type of deal. You either are within the bounds of copyright, or you are not. There is not middle ground, and you don't get to choose when the rules apply to what you're doing.
So I may be wrong about the frostbite thing but the actual maker has made a far worse copyright infringement then myself, he has stolen r3dcraft textures and is selling them...
My 50 Sub Release is not default lol, it's defscape and for the record yo are allowed to build off of default I just checked the copyright...
I've tried to track the texture down, and I don't think it's from a full pack. It was made by some pvp'er as part of a mix pack, and even then, I'm not sure if that guy actually made the texture or not. Please read the rest of this before you click that link, though.
Anyway, I am going to try to explain the meaning of what Alvoria's saying, in a bit of a softer manner. Hopefully this will make this whole issue clearer to you, Kanuck, and to anyone else who might be confused. This is a really important issue to understand, as it applies to far more than just resource packs.
In the privacy of your own home, and for your own use, you are allowed to do whatever the heck you want. You could take art from all over the place, with no regard for what other people think, and past it all together into the best dang pvp pack there ever was, and you can use it all you want. That's totally fine. But the issue arises when you want to share that creation with other people.
If you want to be distributing textures, there's a few things that have to happen. You have to either:
Have made the textures, by yourself, from scratch, 100% your own work, or
Have gotten explicit permission from the person who DID make it, from scratch, to redistribute copies (even edited copies) of their work
Now, when we say redistribute, what we mean is "to share copies of." That means post it on mediafire, email it to a friend; in general, redistribute means to make copies available to others.
When a person creates something, from scratch, 100% their own work, they immediately have the copyright. That person gets to decide who's allowed to have what they made, and what those people are allowed to do with it. They give these instructions in the form of a license. A license is a legal document that spells out exactly what you can and can't do with a piece of work that someone else made. It tells you, the user, which rights the original creator is keeping or letting go. When a work comes with the statement "all rights reserved," they mean that they are holding all the copyrights; that is, right do distribute, make copies, make edits, etc. You basically have permission to look at it, and nothing else.
This is the important part, the part that applies this discussion: Now, if a person does not provide you with a license, then you have no idea what you are and are not allowed to do. So, you must assume that they have all rights reserved; you basically are not allowed to do anything besides look. This is why all the resource packs posted on this forum have to have a licensing section in their topics, to tell people what they can and can't do with their textures.
So, if you want to redistribute something that was made by someone else, it either has to say that you can in the license you were given, or you have to have explicit permission from the creator (they have to tell you, specifically, that you are allowed to do that). If you can't meet those criteria, then you cannot legally redistribute the work, in any way, shape, or form. In matters of copyright, credit is not what you need. You need permission, more than anything else. And most artists are more than willing to give you permission if you ask, but it's most important that you do ask.
Now, I understand that a lot of the creators of these old packs are not available anymore. There's nothing you can do about that; Minecraft has been around for almost 6 years now, and lots of people have entered and left the community in that time. But, even if they aren't available to contact, they're still out there, and their copyrights still apply. If you can't get permission, you can't get permission; it's as simple as that.
I know it may seem like this is a ridiculous issue to apply to something as small as a single 128x texture. Of course, what does this all mean for me, an 18 year old kid from Ohio who makes textures sometimes? I don't really care that much, do I? Well, this sort of issue applies to more than just texture packs, and it's a very important issue to understand, especially if you're looking into becoming some sort of creative professional. Copyright is a big deal, and you have to play by the rules to be successful anywhere.
I hope this helped with the issue at hand. Honestly, I wish more people would do their research before jumping into these sorts of communities, but I know that this is a lot of people who play this game are young and haven't had to deal with this before, and it's not immediately apparent that this would be an issue. There really ought to be a stickied thread on this particular thing. Maybe I should take it upon myself to write one...
I've tried to track the texture down, and I don't think it's from a full pack. It was made by some pvp'er as part of a mix pack, and even then, I'm not sure if that guy actually made the texture or not. Please read the rest of this before you click that link, though.
Anyway, I am going to try to explain the meaning of what Alvoria's saying, in a bit of a softer manner. Hopefully this will make this whole issue clearer to you, Kanuck, and to anyone else who might be confused. This is a really important issue to understand, as it applies to far more than just resource packs.
In the privacy of your own home, and for your own use, you are allowed to do whatever the heck you want. You could take art from all over the place, with no regard for what other people think, and past it all together into the best dang pvp pack there ever was, and you can use it all you want. That's totally fine. But the issue arises when you want to share that creation with other people.
If you want to be distributing textures, there's a few things that have to happen. You have to either:
Have made the textures, by yourself, from scratch, 100% your own work, or
Have gotten explicit permission from the person who DID make it, from scratch, to redistribute copies (even edited copies) of their work
Now, when we say redistribute, what we mean is "to share copies of." That means post it on mediafire, email it to a friend; in general, redistribute means to make copies available to others.
When a person creates something, from scratch, 100% their own work, they immediately have the copyright. That person gets to decide who's allowed to have what they made, and what those people are allowed to do with it. They give these instructions in the form of a license. A license is a legal document that spells out exactly what you can and can't do with a piece of work that someone else made. It tells you, the user, which rights the original creator is keeping or letting go. When a work comes with the statement "all rights reserved," they mean that they are holding all the copyrights; that is, right do distribute, make copies, make edits, etc. You basically have permission to look at it, and nothing else.
This is the important part, the part that applies this discussion: Now, if a person does not provide you with a license, then you have no idea what you are and are not allowed to do. So, you must assume that they have all rights reserved; you basically are not allowed to do anything besides look. This is why all the resource packs posted on this forum have to have a licensing section in their topics, to tell people what they can and can't do with their textures.
So, if you want to redistribute something that was made by someone else, it either has to say that you can in the license you were given, or you have to have explicit permission from the creator (they have to tell you, specifically, that you are allowed to do that). If you can't meet those criteria, then you cannot legally redistribute the work, in any way, shape, or form. In matters of copyright, credit is not what you need. You need permission, more than anything else. And most artists are more than willing to give you permission if you ask, but it's most important that you do ask.
Now, I understand that a lot of the creators of these old packs are not available anymore. There's nothing you can do about that; Minecraft has been around for almost 6 years now, and lots of people have entered and left the community in that time. But, even if they aren't available to contact, they're still out there, and their copyrights still apply. If you can't get permission, you can't get permission; it's as simple as that.
I know it may seem like this is a ridiculous issue to apply to something as small as a single 128x texture. Of course, what does this all mean for me, an 18 year old kid from Ohio who makes textures sometimes? I don't really care that much, do I? Well, this sort of issue applies to more than just texture packs, and it's a very important issue to understand, especially if you're looking into becoming some sort of creative professional. Copyright is a big deal, and you have to play by the rules to be successful anywhere.
I hope this helped with the issue at hand. Honestly, I wish more people would do their research before jumping into these sorts of communities, but I know that this is a lot of people who play this game are young and haven't had to deal with this before, and it's not immediately apparent that this would be an issue. There really ought to be a stickied thread on this particular thing. Maybe I should take it upon myself to write one...
Thank you for summing that up and helping me. One question: Does a maker have to make a specific separate license file or can it just be written on the page where the download happens. Once again thank you for all your help. I am still having a hard time finding the chain armor though but I will try to keep researching thanks to what you have given me
Thank you for summing that up and helping me. One question: Does a maker have to make a specific separate license file or can it just be written on the page where the download happens. Once again thank you for all your help.
No problem, friend. I'm always happy to help!
There are no rules about how a license should be delivered, only that it must be. Most things that you can download will come with a file called README or LICENSE that will have all the licensing details inside. It's also a good idea to post that same information online so people can see it there. So, to answer your question, one or the other is fine, but it would be better to have both.
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Now if you've SHARED those edits, or the unedited textures themselves, THEN you have done something illegal. Mojang's textures are just as protected by copyright law as the latest pop song or the movie you last watched. It's still a creative work that belongs to its creators.
So you can't edit the textures to make a new pack? That's how, like, 75% of all packs are made.
So you can't edit the textures to make a new pack? That's how, like, 75% of all packs are made.
I sincerely doubt that.
Now... what do you mean by "edit". The most common workflow I've seen is to extract the default textures, and then open whichever one you want to work on. Start by clearing the entire texture, resizing the canvas if need be, and them making a totally new texture. This falls outside of "editing" as it uses nothing of the original, which was cleared to make a blank canvas.
Then again, I might believe you in the pessimistic Sturgeon's Law sense that 90% of packs are just crappy default edits and bucket-fills. THAT I would believe. But most serious packs start with a blank canvas for their textures, possibly using the default as a template for file names but clearing the textures themselves completely before creating their art.
There are no rules about how a license should be delivered, only that it must be. Most things that you can download will come with a file called README or LICENSE that will have all the licensing details inside. It's also a good idea to post that same information online so people can see it there. So, to answer your question, one or the other is fine, but it would be better to have both.
I still, wasn't able to find the chain armor though xD, I have literally google translated the whole page and he said he would release his pack when done... It has been a few months since he has updated his blog xD
I still, wasn't able to find the chain armor though xD, I have literally google translated the whole page and he said he would release his pack when done... It has been a few months since he has updated his blog xD
I think he only created that one set of armor icons, and then other people recolored it to fit gold and diamond. There never was a chain version.
*coff,coff* I 'd like to add that if he did a correct default edit, he would not be infringing copyright, if he added his own textures and put them in the correct folders, minecraft would just add the the default textures to what he was missing.
*coff,coff* I 'd like to add that if he did a correct default edit, he would not be infringing copyright, if he added his own textures and put them in the correct folders, minecraft would just add the the default textures to what he was missing.
At which point it's no longer a default edit. If the only textures in the pack are one's own, then there's no default. So... your point is kinda mute.
Yeah but Alvoria checked inside of the folder, as he stated, the images ARE there so therefore it is Copyright infringement!
Exactly. There's no reason at all for them to be in there. It's just needless filler that's bloating the size of the download -AND- breaking copyright law at the same time. It would be to everyone's benefit if they were removed. The poster's, the downloader's, Mojang's... everyone involved in even the most minute way would benefit from this.
How about instead you don't use people's artwork without their permission. Youtubers like you are part of the reason the Resource Pack community is dying. Frankly, the RP community is sick of being stolen from. Putting a lot of time and work into a pack only to have some Youtuber steal the textures for a "PvP" pack, and give nothing but "credit" back... if that much.
You all seem to be under the impression that anything we publish you can take and use simply because you're Youtubers. Guess what! Just because something is published doesn't give you the right to appropriate it. Youtube even has a HUGE section revolving around Copyright that you have to read before becoming a partner. That same information applies to Resource Packs as well as music and video. If you don't own it, you DO NOT have the right to redistribute it.
And as for the "credit" thing... do you honestly think that any of the people who download your theft-pack associate those textures with the original artist or the original pack? Half the people in the PvP community can't even identify the textures from Faithful, arguably the second most well-known back right behind Sphax. No, your "credit" is meaningless to the original artist. We get our textures stolen, and don't even get any recognition for it.
With all that said, if you ever track down this pack (no, I will not help you since you stated you have ill intentions right in your post) check the license for that pack. Most packs say outright what you are and are not allowed to do with their textures. If a pack doesn't have a license, then you MAY NOT do anything with those textures and you definitely ARE NOT allowed to redistribute them in your own mix pack.
Please be a good person and stand up for artists' rights. You wouldn't like it if someone started stealing your videos and putting them on their own channel. Please don't do the equivalent to us. Thank you.
I know a lot of people rob packs but I have no intention of doing so. No need to get so heated, do you even know if the actual makers of the packs I have used have a copyright claim? No. Do you even know if I have contacted any of the makers? No. What if I was making a default edit? Thank you for accusing me of copyright infringing when you haven't even seen my work, let alone what I have used from other packs. Thank you for ruining my thread when I was simply trying to get a armor set.
Yes. Under the DMCA everything published on the Internet is protected under copyright.
Good point, but I honestly doubt it given your attitude.
Then you'd be violating Mojang's copyright. They own their textures the same as any other game developer does, and even have a section in their EULA saying that nobody may redistribute anything they've made. I think it's called "The One Big Rule".
You're welcome. Please feel free to prove me wrong. I'll happily apologize if you've created a mix pack where everything is on the level. However since you've already shown that you don't understand copyright with a couple of your statements, and you wanted to know the original source to "give credit" rather than "to find out if it can be used", I'm feeling pretty good about my statements right now.
Again, I hope I'm wrong. Have a nice day.
Edit: Took me all of 30 seconds to find your "50 Subscriber Special" which links to a pack illegally distributing Mojang's textures. I'm pretty sure you didn't get permission from them to redistribute their work, so you are in fact stealing textures. I feel fully justified in my statements now. Thanks.
Downloaded? No. They come with the game. You can't help but download them if you've played Minecraft.
Edited? No. You can edit the game's assets for personal use.
Now if you've SHARED those edits, or the unedited textures themselves, THEN you have done something illegal. Mojang's textures are just as protected by copyright law as the latest pop song or the movie you last watched. It's still a creative work that belongs to its creators.
Let's talk a bit about my 50 sub special here. I don't use any default in it, but since you have all the facts maybe I am somehow bypassing their copyright (feel free to tell me how). Also all the food is custom FYI.
The swords, armor model and inventory n this pack are custom. Also the "credit" that you speak so negatively about follows all the makers copyright. I have used other textures in the past without giving credit but I am trying to do so now. And FYI I have tried contacting a few makers but only a few have replied. The only person I have not given credit to is this mysterious armor creator that you want to keep from me.
EDIT: Could you please send me defscape copyright? I am having a hard time finding it.
I downlaoded it and checked. Almost every single default block, entity, GUI, item, and misc. texture is in there. Don't lie, man. You've been caught. Anyone can download the pack and check it.
If you're talking about This Pack then you'll note that the purchase price does NOT include redistribution rights. You can find more on this in the website's Terms page which states that all digital goods remain the property of their creator, including copyright. What you purchased was the right to use the pack in-game, not to redistribute those textures or use them in any other fashion. The same logic behind why you can't put pop songs up on BitTorrent after buying the CD applies here too.
So what does it matter if it follows the copyright if you don't respect that copyright? You know what copyright is? The Right to make Copies. By default the creator(s) of a work have it, and nobody else does. That's what that means. If you make copies of someone else's work without their consent, you're breaking their copyright. Credit means nothing next to actually respecting the wishes of the artists. Whether you agree with this or not is not relevant.
So what? You think that's OK? "He who is silent consents" does not apply to copyright. Unless ALL of the creators give you permission, either in their licenses or by giving you direct permission, then you CAN NOT legally distribute your mix pack. If you've gotten permission for everyone, then that's fine. I have nothing to say in that case. But it seems to me that you're picking and choosing when you actually respect the artist's wishes and when you just do what you want.
Look... I know you're trying here. I can see that. And that's great! But this is an "All-or-nothing" type of deal. You either are within the bounds of copyright, or you are not. There is not middle ground, and you don't get to choose when the rules apply to what you're doing.
So I may be wrong about the frostbite thing but the actual maker has made a far worse copyright infringement then myself, he has stolen r3dcraft textures and is selling them...
My 50 Sub Release is not default lol, it's defscape and for the record yo are allowed to build off of default I just checked the copyright...
Anyway, I am going to try to explain the meaning of what Alvoria's saying, in a bit of a softer manner. Hopefully this will make this whole issue clearer to you, Kanuck, and to anyone else who might be confused. This is a really important issue to understand, as it applies to far more than just resource packs.
In the privacy of your own home, and for your own use, you are allowed to do whatever the heck you want. You could take art from all over the place, with no regard for what other people think, and past it all together into the best dang pvp pack there ever was, and you can use it all you want. That's totally fine. But the issue arises when you want to share that creation with other people.
If you want to be distributing textures, there's a few things that have to happen. You have to either:
When a person creates something, from scratch, 100% their own work, they immediately have the copyright. That person gets to decide who's allowed to have what they made, and what those people are allowed to do with it. They give these instructions in the form of a license. A license is a legal document that spells out exactly what you can and can't do with a piece of work that someone else made. It tells you, the user, which rights the original creator is keeping or letting go. When a work comes with the statement "all rights reserved," they mean that they are holding all the copyrights; that is, right do distribute, make copies, make edits, etc. You basically have permission to look at it, and nothing else.
This is the important part, the part that applies this discussion: Now, if a person does not provide you with a license, then you have no idea what you are and are not allowed to do. So, you must assume that they have all rights reserved; you basically are not allowed to do anything besides look. This is why all the resource packs posted on this forum have to have a licensing section in their topics, to tell people what they can and can't do with their textures.
So, if you want to redistribute something that was made by someone else, it either has to say that you can in the license you were given, or you have to have explicit permission from the creator (they have to tell you, specifically, that you are allowed to do that). If you can't meet those criteria, then you cannot legally redistribute the work, in any way, shape, or form. In matters of copyright, credit is not what you need. You need permission, more than anything else. And most artists are more than willing to give you permission if you ask, but it's most important that you do ask.
Now, I understand that a lot of the creators of these old packs are not available anymore. There's nothing you can do about that; Minecraft has been around for almost 6 years now, and lots of people have entered and left the community in that time. But, even if they aren't available to contact, they're still out there, and their copyrights still apply. If you can't get permission, you can't get permission; it's as simple as that.
I know it may seem like this is a ridiculous issue to apply to something as small as a single 128x texture. Of course, what does this all mean for me, an 18 year old kid from Ohio who makes textures sometimes? I don't really care that much, do I? Well, this sort of issue applies to more than just texture packs, and it's a very important issue to understand, especially if you're looking into becoming some sort of creative professional. Copyright is a big deal, and you have to play by the rules to be successful anywhere.
I hope this helped with the issue at hand. Honestly, I wish more people would do their research before jumping into these sorts of communities, but I know that this is a lot of people who play this game are young and haven't had to deal with this before, and it's not immediately apparent that this would be an issue. There really ought to be a stickied thread on this particular thing. Maybe I should take it upon myself to write one...
Thank you for summing that up and helping me. One question: Does a maker have to make a specific separate license file or can it just be written on the page where the download happens. Once again thank you for all your help. I am still having a hard time finding the chain armor though but I will try to keep researching thanks to what you have given me
No problem, friend. I'm always happy to help!
There are no rules about how a license should be delivered, only that it must be. Most things that you can download will come with a file called README or LICENSE that will have all the licensing details inside. It's also a good idea to post that same information online so people can see it there. So, to answer your question, one or the other is fine, but it would be better to have both.
So you can't edit the textures to make a new pack? That's how, like, 75% of all packs are made.
I sincerely doubt that.
Now... what do you mean by "edit". The most common workflow I've seen is to extract the default textures, and then open whichever one you want to work on. Start by clearing the entire texture, resizing the canvas if need be, and them making a totally new texture. This falls outside of "editing" as it uses nothing of the original, which was cleared to make a blank canvas.
Then again, I might believe you in the pessimistic Sturgeon's Law sense that 90% of packs are just crappy default edits and bucket-fills. THAT I would believe. But most serious packs start with a blank canvas for their textures, possibly using the default as a template for file names but clearing the textures themselves completely before creating their art.
I still, wasn't able to find the chain armor though xD, I have literally google translated the whole page and he said he would release his pack when done... It has been a few months since he has updated his blog xD
I think he only created that one set of armor icons, and then other people recolored it to fit gold and diamond. There never was a chain version.
Hmmm, I met some people who say they have it but I still haven't received it yet. If this is truly the case I will try it myself
At which point it's no longer a default edit. If the only textures in the pack are one's own, then there's no default. So... your point is kinda mute.
Exactly. There's no reason at all for them to be in there. It's just needless filler that's bloating the size of the download -AND- breaking copyright law at the same time. It would be to everyone's benefit if they were removed. The poster's, the downloader's, Mojang's... everyone involved in even the most minute way would benefit from this.
But no... some people just gotta be stubborn.