So, I found this guy on PMC doing my normal "I'm bored, lets see what the internet is saying about my pack" daily roam around the web and discovered this:
Now, if you read the whole thread he's admitting SixtyGig's textures were first, but it's pretty obvious to me those textures he made are direct 1:1 copies of mine. It just appears he traced over mine. It's even got the same art style hints on it.
It gets even stranger because a week ago he PM'ed me with this:
Him:
Hey Rayvolution, I really love your texture pack and I wanted to ask you if you accepted help for the pack. As I commented on your texture pack I have been wanting to make a pack like this but never really got to do so. Now I can't because you already made it and I don't want to be unoriginal. So... Could I maybe send you some textures and help you make the pack? You don't have to give me credit if you don't want to I just like making these textures. Here is an example of what I could do. If you don't like it I can redo it.
Me:
I appreciate the offer, but I want to do the pack completely on my own.
Him:
Ok I can understand that. Do you mins if I make a pack in the same style like this one and publish it?
Me:
You're more than welcome to make a similar pack. A lot of people say mines similar to BDCraft, and if he was to come up and tell me I have no right to make something similar I'd smack him and do it anyway.
As long as it's your original work, no one has the right to stop you.
Him:
Thanks
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Hey Guys,
I am making a new cartoon Texture Pack. I will not release it until I have about half of the textures done, but still I will let you have a little look at it so here are some textures:
I hope you guys like the textures c:
Your textures look a lot like mine, almost to the point it looks like you just traced over or refiltered them. If that's the case I *highly* suggest you reconsider your texture pack design strategy, no one's going to like a copied pack.
So. Should I care? I'm really not sure how to feel about this one. Even some of the highlights/shading styles that are pretty unique to my style are the same
Well, they are different from your textures in a large enough way that it isn't necessarily considered copying, but I might call it an interpreted remix of your pack. Personally as long as he doesn't use anything that he blatantly took from your pack, I would just let him do whatever with his textures. Since you did give him permission to make textures inspired by you, he does have somewhat permission to make these, but that also means you have full reign over what happens.
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Well, although the textures are copies if yours in design, it's pretty obvious to me that he drew them himself, and didn't filter ot trace over your work. They're not as well done, however.
I'm not sure if you have enough to claim theft. I'd say if they all were like the emerald block, you could, but although the iron ore and gravel are somewhat similar, I think that's all they are to tell the truth. I would maybe get on him for the emerald block and maybe the crafting table, but let others slide. Personally, I would take this as a compliment because he obviously seems to be trying to make a good pack and interested in texturing, not just being lazy and stealing textures. I think it's okay, but I would just keep a tab on it to make sure that it stays original.
Well, they are different from your textures in a large enough way that it isn't necessarily considered copying, but I might call it an interpreted remix of your pack. Personally as long as he doesn't use anything that he blatantly took from your pack, I would just let him do whatever with his textures. Since you did give him permission to make textures inspired by you, he does have somewhat permission to make these, but that also means you have full reign over what happens.
Yeah, that's where I'm crossed. I really have no problem with people being inspried by my work and making something like that. Like I told him in the PM, more power to him. But this seems to be really, really close to the gray area between "inspired by" and "copied". You can see it mostly in the workbench, the accent style on the wood, the hint of grain waves grain and knots, even the slight hint of color around the cloth triangle. o_O
Honestly, I wouldn't care if he blatantly ripped off my style on a few blocks. But every block he's shown seems to be that way, so I'm a bit disconcerted if I should actually "care" about this or not.
Well, although the textures are copies if yours in design, it's pretty obvious to me that he drew them himself, and didn't filter ot trace over your work. They're not as well done, however.
I'm not sure if you have enough to claim theft. I'd say if they all were like the emerald block, you could, but although the iron ore and gravel are somewhat similar, I think that's all they are to tell the truth. I would maybe get on him for the emerald block and maybe the crafting table, but let others slide. Personally, I would take this as a compliment because he obviously seems to be trying to make a good pack and interested in texturing, not just being lazy and stealing textures. I think it's okay, but I would just keep a tab on it to make sure that it stays original.
Sort of ninja'd by Blaziken.
Yeah, I agree with you. I really don't care as long as it doesn't cause harm. It's not like he's trying to hide where the source of his ideas came from (He even linked to my pack).
My gut says "Don't worry about it". I'm just curious what you guys would do in this situation.
Yeah, that's where I'm crossed. I really have no problem with people being inspried by my work and making something like that. Like I told him in the PM, more power to him. But this seems to be really, really close to the gray area between "inspired by" and "copied". You can see it mostly in the workbench, the accent style on the wood, the hunt of grain waves grain and knots, even the slight hint of color around the cloth triangle. o_O
Honestly, I wouldn't care if he blatantly ripped off my style on a few blocks. But every block he's shown seems to be that way, so I'm a bit disconcerted if I should actually "care" about this or not.
Definitely tell him that his whole pack shouldn't be "inspired" by you, and not to work with his textures in one tab, and yours in another haha.
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Definitely tell him that his whole pack shouldn't be "inspired" by you, and not to work with his textures in one tab, and yours in another haha.
haha, Funny you say that, you just brought back memories of my first days of learning shading/pixel art. I was trying to make basic 16x16 and 32x32 art, just to learn the ropes.
But I started by trying to mimic classic NES and SNES games, like Zelda, Mario, etc. I did everything side by side, trying to figure out the importance of pixel placement and shading. I'd spend hours on simple little objects.
Guess what happened? Everything I finished I'd step back and look at and go "huh, I basically just remade the original with a few misplaced pixels". That's when I learned it's better to look at art styles as reference, but don't have them side-by-side. You just end up duplicating the original.
Honestly, I don´t see any reason for you to think he is copying your texture pack, since both of you are just "copying" the default textures with a vector based style in a higher resolution. Your´s got more detail, his got less and the only thing I see that you both altered the same is that the scissors are on the other side of the working bench now. I also can´t see where he used the same highlights as you, maybe you can explain that with an example.
Mines not vector, mines raster. All done in Photoshop CS6.
I might setup an example later, but I'm not sure it's really worth the effort. Most obvious areas would be the emerald block and the workbench.
But anyways, from what I can gather:
Workbench:
Color accents on the cloth, wood and grain are all the same. Also has the same somewhat-random knots. These are details that don't exist in the default textures, so it's not because we both based in on the original workbench.
Emerald:
Same shine streaks (One could easily argue that is a coincidence though), and both don't have the center carving.
Iron Ore:
The ore is pretty unqiue, but the stone itself behind it is the same subtile 2-tone style.
Gravel:
Same style of shading, but the shape is pretty unique. You can tell by the dark borders around the rocks/pebbles and the "highs" on the highlights. But these are pretty standard shading techniques, so it could just be coincidence.
All of them in their own right could be considered a coincidence, but with them all together it seems like a few too many of them to actually be a coincidence.
But like I said, I'm not really upset. I'd only be upset if he blatantly ripped off my entire pack's style and tried to claim it was his original work. But if his pack turns out to be a vector-art version of mine I may get a little unnerved.
I'd suggest just leaving it for now, but if it gets any worse, than definitely let him know, and politely ask that he differentiate his textures more from your's.
http://www.planetmin...ck-t250183.html
Now, if you read the whole thread he's admitting SixtyGig's textures were first, but it's pretty obvious to me those textures he made are direct 1:1 copies of mine. It just appears he traced over mine. It's even got the same art style hints on it.
It gets even stranger because a week ago he PM'ed me with this:
Him:
Hey Rayvolution, I really love your texture pack and I wanted to ask you if you accepted help for the pack. As I commented on your texture pack I have been wanting to make a pack like this but never really got to do so. Now I can't because you already made it and I don't want to be unoriginal. So... Could I maybe send you some textures and help you make the pack? You don't have to give me credit if you don't want to I just like making these textures. Here is an example of what I could do. If you don't like it I can redo it.
Me:
I appreciate the offer, but I want to do the pack completely on my own.
Him:
Ok I can understand that. Do you mins if I make a pack in the same style like this one and publish it?
Me:
You're more than welcome to make a similar pack. A lot of people say mines similar to BDCraft, and if he was to come up and tell me I have no right to make something similar I'd smack him and do it anyway.
As long as it's your original work, no one has the right to stop you.
Him:
Thanks
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So. Should I care? I'm really not sure how to feel about this one. Even some of the highlights/shading styles that are pretty unique to my style are the same
I'm not sure if you have enough to claim theft. I'd say if they all were like the emerald block, you could, but although the iron ore and gravel are somewhat similar, I think that's all they are to tell the truth. I would maybe get on him for the emerald block and maybe the crafting table, but let others slide. Personally, I would take this as a compliment because he obviously seems to be trying to make a good pack and interested in texturing, not just being lazy and stealing textures. I think it's okay, but I would just keep a tab on it to make sure that it stays original.
Sort of ninja'd by Blaziken.
Yeah, that's where I'm crossed. I really have no problem with people being inspried by my work and making something like that. Like I told him in the PM, more power to him. But this seems to be really, really close to the gray area between "inspired by" and "copied". You can see it mostly in the workbench, the accent style on the wood, the hint of grain waves grain and knots, even the slight hint of color around the cloth triangle. o_O
Honestly, I wouldn't care if he blatantly ripped off my style on a few blocks. But every block he's shown seems to be that way, so I'm a bit disconcerted if I should actually "care" about this or not.
Yeah, I agree with you. I really don't care as long as it doesn't cause harm. It's not like he's trying to hide where the source of his ideas came from (He even linked to my pack).
My gut says "Don't worry about it". I'm just curious what you guys would do in this situation.
Definitely tell him that his whole pack shouldn't be "inspired" by you, and not to work with his textures in one tab, and yours in another haha.
haha, Funny you say that, you just brought back memories of my first days of learning shading/pixel art. I was trying to make basic 16x16 and 32x32 art, just to learn the ropes.
But I started by trying to mimic classic NES and SNES games, like Zelda, Mario, etc. I did everything side by side, trying to figure out the importance of pixel placement and shading. I'd spend hours on simple little objects.
Guess what happened? Everything I finished I'd step back and look at and go "huh, I basically just remade the original with a few misplaced pixels". That's when I learned it's better to look at art styles as reference, but don't have them side-by-side. You just end up duplicating the original.
I actually didn't see your post until after I responded xD
Mines not vector, mines raster. All done in Photoshop CS6.
I might setup an example later, but I'm not sure it's really worth the effort. Most obvious areas would be the emerald block and the workbench.
But anyways, from what I can gather:
Workbench:
Color accents on the cloth, wood and grain are all the same. Also has the same somewhat-random knots. These are details that don't exist in the default textures, so it's not because we both based in on the original workbench.
Emerald:
Same shine streaks (One could easily argue that is a coincidence though), and both don't have the center carving.
Iron Ore:
The ore is pretty unqiue, but the stone itself behind it is the same subtile 2-tone style.
Gravel:
Same style of shading, but the shape is pretty unique. You can tell by the dark borders around the rocks/pebbles and the "highs" on the highlights. But these are pretty standard shading techniques, so it could just be coincidence.
All of them in their own right could be considered a coincidence, but with them all together it seems like a few too many of them to actually be a coincidence.
But like I said, I'm not really upset. I'd only be upset if he blatantly ripped off my entire pack's style and tried to claim it was his original work. But if his pack turns out to be a vector-art version of mine I may get a little unnerved.