Well, im happy that FC removed the forge :biggrin.gif: it makes lives so much easier not being needed to wait for the forge to be update (Took a war to be updated to 1.8) before FC can begin updating BTW and Modloader well risugami updates it pretty quickly after every update. So im not complaining P.S Most other mods ruin BTW try using BTW as a standalone instead (Thats what i do)
-the baseclass thing is silly. 13 baseclasses for aesthetics is fine, yet changing baseclasses to remove major annoyances is not?
IIRC, FlowerChild's exact issue e.g. with the torch thing requiring 13 base classes to be modified isn't necessarily that all these base classes are being modified (after all, that's what APIs are there for), but rather that such invasive changes to the game code are being made.
I've mostly I've got the impression that, much like with RP2, Elo is trying to allow the Forge to do absolutely everything. And it's nice to give a modder that much power. But it's also asking a bit much; because you can also do absolutely everything without an API (the difference being that your mod won't be compatible), and there's a lot of things that one person in the world might want to do, but that just simply isn't worth putting in an API.
And yes, such obscure and underused hooks would still be necessary to have in an API if everything was to be compatible.
But it's hard to justify making such fundamental changes to the game in a third party API. If you go through the source of a game, find everything that's hardcoded that somebody wants changed, and write some way to change it... eventually, you're no longer modding for Minecraft; you're modding for some giant machine that just tries to pretend to be Minecraft when it isn't told to do anything else.
I'm not FC. I'm no modder. But I can understand how it feels trying to write a mod for a game when the code you're familiar with is being turned inside-out from its very core. And unless you're making an API that's so absolutely commited to adding the hooks everyone else needs so that nobody ever needs to edit a base class on their own, modders will still occasionally need to dive into the code.
Of course, there's no doubt that BTW edits a /lot/ of base classes as of late. Of the 41 base classes modified in v3.30, only 9 of these are leftover from Forge. The rest are all changes by BTW.
Can I ask you FlowerChild, why don't you use Adf.ly?
I understand that you make this mod purely for fun, but I think you deserve something for your efforts (although adf.ly isn't much)
Give the profit to charity? PETA?
To be honest, I don't think he deserves any money at all. His mod is mediocre and he acts like a child.
I'm currently hosting a compatible mods archive / list for BTW ver 2.6+ (and it is being regularly updated). Replacing "Incompatible with Everything!", would you be kind enough to post a small hyperlink to the thread? I feel that this is putting people off from downloading.
I really appreciate what you're doing with that list man, but at the same time, I think it's crucial to note that I in no way *support* compatibility in any way. Linking to your list would unfortunately run counter to that.
If you guys want to experiment with compatibility and help each other out with it, it's of course fine, and again, I appreciate the effort you're making there, but I just won't get involved with that in any way. My official stance will remain as "incompatible with everything".
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Minecraft: Minecraft 1.0.0
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java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Unable to add block [email protected] in slot 254: Error detected. Please check your IDResolver and ModLoader logs for more information.
at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
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it was working earlier but now it's doing... this. i'm using ID resolver forge edition. My install order is:
I just hate all of you b**ching about incompatibility, go play with another mod if u r so angry
why shouldn't they? IMO they're just trying to let flowerchild know so, if he wants to, make BTW compatible with said mod, if possible. If this was compatible with everything(which is close to impossible) then he would get a lot more fans and LOTS more downloads. I'm not necessarily complaining about compatibility, i'm just glad this mod is as good as it is now.