Why does all the Vak talk earlier come off as hipsterish? You guys sounded really condescending to people who only play Super Hostile maps. You did have some valid concerns earlier (aesthetics, people not being exposed to maps outside of Super Hostile) but the way you put it is off-putting for me. Generalizing everybody who has only played SH as "fanboys" is unfair to the players who are just starting out, or are not aware of the other options available to them.
If this thread ends up descending into "let's hate on the popular maps" crap, it may be time to start anew. I don't mind if you rip into a Super Hostile map, but make sure you have a good complaint behind it.
That's my two cents. Don't be hipsters in a hugbox people. Please.
Why does all the Vak talk earlier come off as hipsterish? You guys sounded really condescending to people who only play Super Hostile maps. You did have some valid concerns earlier (aesthetics, people not being exposed to maps outside of Super Hostile) but the way you put it is off-putting for me. Generalizing everybody who has only played SH as "fanboys" is unfair to the players who are just starting out, or are not aware of the other options available to them.
If this thread ends up descending into "let's on the popular maps" crap, it may be time to start anew. I don't mind if you rip into a Super Hostile map, but make sure you have a good complaint behind it.
That's my two cents. Don't be hipsters in a hugbox people. Please.
"vechs is so evils! xD"
"vechs maps are best maps! no maps like it!"
"so hard lol i died 9000 times you suck die in a fire"
"lol don't h8 on vechs you aren't entitled to anything"
"stop criticising vechs and give him some good compliments k?"
I don't get your "let's hate on the popular maps" crap because there's only one popular series and that's the SH series. Which is crap. And should be hated.
You are using the word hipster and I don't think you or the internet knows what it means.
"vechs is so evils! xD"
"vechs maps are best maps! no maps like it!"
"so hard lol i died 9000 times you suck die in a fire"
"lol don't h8 on vechs you aren't entitled to anything"
"stop criticising vechs and give him some good compliments k?"
I don't get your "let's hate on the popular maps" crap because there's only one popular series and that's the SH series. Which is crap. And should be hated.
You are using the word hipster and I don't think you or the internet knows what it means.
Hipsters are a good of a group of people who want to be different from the "main stream" but by being hipster they contradict themselves. "I'm different just like everyone else." But I agree about SH, it has degraded to absolute ****. And vechs doesn't even post there anymore.
"vechs is so evils! xD"
"vechs maps are best maps! no maps like it!"
"so hard lol i died 9000 times you suck die in a fire"
"lol don't h8 on vechs you aren't entitled to anything"
"stop criticising vechs and give him some good compliments k?"
Definitely a good chunk of those comments in the SH thread, but I still say you guys are generalizing a bit.
I don't get your "let's hate on the popular maps" crap because there's only one popular series and that's the SH series. Which is crap. And should be hated.
This from the guy who gave Spellbound Caves a glowing review :P. To be honest Hybran, I do think several of the points raised against IM are legitimate gripes that ought to be addressed, including yours. It's just that with all the comments the maps gets, you could start a drinking game.Take a shot every time someone complains about Inferno Mines.
You are using the word hipster and I don't think you or the internet knows what it means. Okay then, is there a better word for "not liking stuff that's mainstream"? Hipster was the first one to pop into my mind. "CTM Underground" maybe?
For Spellbound, I tried to make it look appealing to the few that came into CTM other ways. It's his best work.
The reason we complain about IM is to get the idiot to listen to our gripes. However, he pulls up his glass wall of "vocal minority" at us.
And then proceeds to listen to 5 people instead of 50. What a retard.
Please don't throw any "underground" bullcrap anywhere. That's just as much as a "hipster" term.
My apologies; it was meant in jest. I just observed that this and the SH thread are two different beasts, and this thread seems worlds away from that one. Probably for good reasons.
I don't know what goes through Vechs' head and why he goes more with himself and his smaller group. It's his choice about who he takes advice from, and I understand it can be frustrating if your legitimate feedback isn't really being considered. I know his stated aim was to make a map a wide variety of people could enjoy, and whether or not he does that is up to interpretation.
For Spellbound, I tried to make it look appealing to the few that came into CTM other ways. It's his best work.
The reason we complain about IM is to get the idiot to listen to our gripes. However, he pulls up his glass wall of "vocal minority" at us.
And then proceeds to listen to 5 people instead of 50. What a retard.
Please don't throw any "underground" bullcrap anywhere. That's just as much as a "hipster" term.
I agree that Vechs has a lot of room for improvement in listening to his fanbase, but please don't call him or anyone else a retard. Not only does it make you look like a jerk, it makes people ignore legitimate criticism.
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For Spellbound, I tried to make it look appealing to the few that came into CTM other ways. It's his best work.
The reason we complain about IM is to get the idiot to listen to our gripes. However, he pulls up his glass wall of "vocal minority" at us.
And then proceeds to listen to 5 people instead of 50. What a retard.
Please don't throw any "underground" bullcrap anywhere. That's just as much as a "hipster" term.
Seriously Hybie? Well Vak's last few maps have been pretty ew, you can't deny that we owe a lot to him for creating the CTM genre. That's not a defense of his recent work, but you're not only calling all of his maps horrible, but your calling him an idiot and a retard?!
Nope, if you decide to kill them they'll just be in place of mobs, like "blaze" or "mooshroom". And anyway. You haven't seen the area yet, so don't judge.
An area in an upcoming CTM of mine is called 'Caged Beast'.
With tigers (using a head from my spare account) and multiple custom potions, one of which is named 'Tiger Blood' (lore= Bi-winning!), which have the dual effects of giving speed and strength. And references to Nicholas Cage.
My inspiration for this area is not from a fantasy scene; it's from !
That sounds really cool! Are you postponing Skychase for this CTM?
Also, as many of you know, I am doing Let's Play of SBC, however I am looking for a new map to replace it after I have completed it of course, so I would like to hear suggestions, I do not want maps that are ridiculously hard, have silly custom mobs, tedious areas etc. I would like a medium difficulty map (I will be playing on 1.5, normal difficulty) and preferably out of a BETA stage, any ideas?
I'd highly recommend Karrot's To Greener Pastures (or Pastas depending who you ask). I'm not sure what you mean by "silly custom mobs" but this map fits all the other criteria!
Why does all the Vak talk earlier come off as hipsterish? You guys sounded really condescending to people who only play Super Hostile maps. You did have some valid concerns earlier (aesthetics, people not being exposed to maps outside of Super Hostile) but the way you put it is off-putting for me. Generalizing everybody who has only played SH as "fanboys" is unfair to the players who are just starting out, or are not aware of the other options available to them.
If this thread ends up descending into "let's hate on the popular maps" crap, it may be time to start anew. I don't mind if you rip into a Super Hostile map, but make sure you have a good complaint behind it.
That's my two cents. Don't be hipsters in a hugbox people. Please.
We don't normally talk like that. I think this is the first, maybe second time we've had a long conversation about where SH went wrong and what Vechs is doing wrong. The reason we talk that way about SH and Vechs is probably because a significant amount of us just got fed up with his attitude about mapmaking in general (he seems to be coasting off of the SH brand name,) and his fanboys.
"vechs is so evils! xD"
"vechs maps are best maps! no maps like it!"
"so hard lol i died 9000 times you suck die in a fire"
"lol don't h8 on vechs you aren't entitled to anything"
"stop criticising vechs and give him some good compliments k?"
I don't get your "let's hate on the popular maps" crap because there's only one popular series and that's the SH series. Which is crap. And should be hated.
You are using the word hipster and I don't think you or the internet knows what it means.
Not gonna lie, my dislike of the "SH brand" goes up every time I see a comment like that. Part of the reason we were talking like we were is because of those people. They're ignorant, narrow-minded, and have little-to-no experience with CTM maps.
But. Generalizing the SH series as crap isn't fair. Vechs does have a few good maps to his name, but his attitude and method of mapmaking are what we should be disliking.
My apologies; it was meant in jest. I just observed that this and the SH thread are two different beasts, and this thread seems worlds away from that one. Probably for good reasons.
I don't know what goes through Vechs' head and why he goes more with himself and his smaller group. It's his choice about who he takes advice from, and I understand it can be frustrating if your legitimate feedback isn't really being considered. I know his stated aim was to make a map a wide variety of people could enjoy, and whether or not he does that is up to interpretation.
It's far more than frustrating when that happens. Watching him consistently ignore and put off criticism is both infuriating and saddening, because if he would just come out from behind his wall of "vocal minority", as Hybs said, he might actually be able to learn things from, *gasp!*, people who actually know how to make good maps.
All this to say, we have reasons for saying things in the way we say them, and we aren't just mindlessly hating on Vechs.
Also, as many of you know, I am doing Let's Play of SBC, however I am looking for a new map to replace it after I have completed it of course, so I would like to hear suggestions, I do not want maps that are ridiculously hard, have silly custom mobs, tedious areas etc. I would like a medium difficulty map (I will be playing on 1.5, normal difficulty) and preferably out of a BETA stage, any ideas?
Well naturally, I'd like to suggest Dreadsky Isles. I've actually been wondering how it would hold up in Hardcore mode. It's easy enough to not be unfair, but hard enough to present a decent challenge.
We don't normally talk like that. I think this is the first, maybe second time we've had a long conversation about where SH went wrong and what Vechs is doing wrong. The reason we talk that way about SH and Vechs is probably because a significant amount of us just got fed up with his attitude about mapmaking in general (he seems to be coasting off of the SH brand name,) and his fanboys.
Not gonna lie, my dislike of the "SH brand" goes up every time I see a comment like that. Part of the reason we were talking like we were is because of those people. They're ignorant, narrow-minded, and have little-to-no experience with CTM maps.
But. Generalizing the SH series as crap isn't fair. Vechs does have a few good maps to his name, but his attitude and method of mapmaking are what we should be disliking.
It's far more than frustrating when that happens. Watching him consistently ignore and put off criticism is both infuriating and saddening, because if he would just come out from behind his wall of "vocal minority", as Hybs said, he might actually be able to learn things from, *gasp!*, people who actually know how to make good maps.
All this to say, we have reasons for saying things in the way we say them, and we aren't just mindlessly hating on Vechs.
I personally like my random loot chests, but I know for a fact Amlup does his by hand, it's a preference thing
Random loot also always makes a map to easy/hard. CFG replaced all of this random loot with by hand in monstrosity and everything was a whole lot happier.
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If this thread ends up descending into "let's hate on the popular maps" crap, it may be time to start anew. I don't mind if you rip into a Super Hostile map, but make sure you have a good complaint behind it.
That's my two cents. Don't be hipsters in a hugbox people. Please.
"vechs is so evils! xD"
"vechs maps are best maps! no maps like it!"
"so hard lol i died 9000 times you suck die in a fire"
"lol don't h8 on vechs you aren't entitled to anything"
"stop criticising vechs and give him some good compliments k?"
I don't get your "let's hate on the popular maps" crap because there's only one popular series and that's the SH series. Which is crap. And should be hated.
You are using the word hipster and I don't think you or the internet knows what it means.
He sent it back with changes.
The title of the save is now, You Shouldn't have Given me Your World.zip
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Im scared... poor dylans dpm is going to skyrocket.
Placing all that glowstone was annoying as hell.
You're screwed man lol
LOL I like that.
For Spellbound, I tried to make it look appealing to the few that came into CTM other ways. It's his best work.
The reason we complain about IM is to get the idiot to listen to our gripes. However, he pulls up his glass wall of "vocal minority" at us.
And then proceeds to listen to 5 people instead of 50. What a retard.
Please don't throw any "underground" bullcrap anywhere. That's just as much as a "hipster" term.
My apologies; it was meant in jest. I just observed that this and the SH thread are two different beasts, and this thread seems worlds away from that one. Probably for good reasons.
I don't know what goes through Vechs' head and why he goes more with himself and his smaller group. It's his choice about who he takes advice from, and I understand it can be frustrating if your legitimate feedback isn't really being considered. I know his stated aim was to make a map a wide variety of people could enjoy, and whether or not he does that is up to interpretation.
I agree that Vechs has a lot of room for improvement in listening to his fanbase, but please don't call him or anyone else a retard. Not only does it make you look like a jerk, it makes people ignore legitimate criticism.
Huh, no idea what the area will be like, but doesn't it seem like you're going to be spammed with boss names?
Seriously Hybie? Well Vak's last few maps have been pretty ew, you can't deny that we owe a lot to him for creating the CTM genre. That's not a defense of his recent work, but you're not only calling all of his maps horrible, but your calling him an idiot and a retard?!
Hell Yeaah!
Come on Hybran, I think you are pusing a little too far. Vechs screwed up his last map, He's not a idiot nor a retard.
Well, I look forward to seeing it then!
That sounds really cool! Are you postponing Skychase for this CTM?
I'd highly recommend Karrot's To Greener Pastures (or Pastas depending who you ask). I'm not sure what you mean by "silly custom mobs" but this map fits all the other criteria!
First off, read this right now: http://www.minecraft...0#entry22459963
We don't normally talk like that.
Not gonna lie, my dislike of the "SH brand" goes up every time I see a comment like that. Part of the reason we were talking like we were is because of those people. They're ignorant, narrow-minded, and have little-to-no experience with CTM maps.
But. Generalizing the SH series as crap isn't fair. Vechs does have a few good maps to his name, but his attitude and method of mapmaking are what we should be disliking.
It's far more than frustrating when that happens. Watching him consistently ignore and put off criticism is both infuriating and saddening, because if he would just come out from behind his wall of "vocal minority", as Hybs said, he might actually be able to learn things from, *gasp!*, people who actually know how to make good maps.
All this to say, we have reasons for saying things in the way we say them, and we aren't just mindlessly hating on Vechs.
And it was gorgeous...
(Sorry if some of this post sounded off, I was up until 2AM last night listening to RaC music, so I'm kinda just slightly a little teeny bit tired...)
EDIT:Well naturally, I'd like to suggest Dreadsky Isles.
actually this would be an amazing idea we should do it now, think about how much better it would be than random loot chest
btw its worth noting that i've hand picked all my loot so far, am i doing something wrong?