Hello everyone, I have started playing minecraft a few weeks ago. While unmodded Minecraft works fine, I have decided to experiment with a few mods. I have also took my time and tried the recommendations of this guide here. Before I go further, I should talk about my specs maybe.I have an i7 4900MQ CPU, 2X 680M SLI GPUs and 12 GB of RAM. I can play most games of 2013-2016 era at high settings. And according to the guide I mentioned earlier, I should have no problem whatsoever running a modded game since I have way better specs than what was shown there (A way better CPU, a slightly better GPU but with SLI configuration. So, potentially over twice the graphic performance)Right now, this is the problem I am having. Once the game starts, the FPS is shown to be around 15, but from what I remember playing games like Skyrim, FPS of 15 was unbearable and controls were unresponsive, so you cannot do anything action heavy effectively. But here for some reason, I could fight monsters and actually enjoy the game. Until... a few minutes in and the game freezes for roughly 3 minutes straight. After it unfreezes, it lags every 5 seconds or so momentarily making doing anything very annoying. 10 more minutes like this and crashes with an error log which I will post of course.
I have 1 shader pack and 1 512x resourse pack, called Mainly Photo Realism 1.15. The game works fine with just the resource pack but it looks infinitely better with the shader pack and given that I have a more than strong enough hardware, I see no reason why I shouldn't try it.
I have the latest version of Minecraft by the way (1.16.3).The mods I have are:
cloth-config-forge-4.1.0.jar
CreativeCore-1.16.2.jar
ImmersiveEngineering-1.16.3-4.0.1-121.jar
light-overlay-5.5.3.jar
MixinBootstrap-1.0.3.jar
preview_OptiFine_1.16.3_HD_U_G3_pre1.jar (I disabled "Animated terrain" feature after reading that it may cause enormous performance drop while providing little-to-no visual benefit)
The shader pack I have is SEUS-Renewed-1.0.1
Apart from these changes, I used jdk-8.0.265.01-hotspot from https://adoptopenjdk.net/ since it was supposed to improve performance. But the same problem persisted when I switched back to the regular 64-bit Java.
The only JVM argument I have currently is -Xmx6G
Before I launch the game, my RAM usage is at 10-15%. But once the game is launched, my RAM usage jumps to 85-90% even when javaw.exe is shown to be using 2-3 GBs, which doesn't add up as long as basic math is concerned. When I add all other processes together, It shouldn't even crack 50% of RAM usage let alone 90%.
Since I am relatively new to Minecraft configuration, I am totally clueless as to how I should proceed now. What could possibly cause this problem and how should I go about correcting it?
I even used a program called "Vista Services Optimizer" which also works for Win7 that disabled windows background junk to free up resources when you set it to gaming mode.
Any suggestions are highly appreciated, here is the error log that is created after the game crashes 10-15 minutes in. My expectations aren't very high by the way. I am more than perfectly happy if I can get 20-25 FPS which is still underwhelming for my laptop, but at this point I'd take it.
Here is the pastebin link to my crash log - Error log
Thanks to everyone in advance.
In case you need more information, please let me know.
Thank you for the suggestion. I do indeed have the latest drivers. Could it also be an issue with SLI? Maybe I should try disabling it first to see if it works, otherwise, I'll go to the previous version to see how it works. I got mixed responses from googling whether Minecraft does benefit from SLI or not. In the meantime, was I right in assuming that my hardware is more than capable of handling this configuration?
Do not allocated more than half your free memory to the game.
If trying other NVIDIA drivers doesn't work, then reinstall them from scratch.
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According to the SLI indicator, my GPUs aren't even utilized 50% for most of the time.
Another problem I notice is that, even though I have 12 GB of Ram, and the javaw.exe process takes 4-5 GB at most, the task manager shows my Physical Memory as 85-90% utilized once Minecraft is launched. Before that the utilization was 15%. Adding all the processes together doesn't even reach 8GB.
This is just getting more ridiculous than I anticipated...
Also, I realized that Geforce Experience couldn't automatically install the latest drivers, so I did it myself which had no effect on Minecraft unfortunately. From what I checked, my GPU (probably even a single of them) should be able to run Minecraft with some shaderpack at 50 or more FPS. I'd be happy if it can stay at 25 without some ludicrous "error" message to be honest.
According to https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-680M.72679.0.html, your GPUs are from 2012-era, and although they were suitable to play the games of that era at high and ultra settings, modern Minecraft is a completely different beast. This is mainly because it is written in Java, which is not designed to be efficient for the game Minecraft has become (especially when you start adding mods into the equation).
With most laptop systems from that era, GPU memory is shared with the main system memory, so although you have 12GB of RAM, some of that (up to 4GB per GPU, according to that page linked above) will go to the GPU - this is why your memory usage does not appear to match what you are expecting. When you load Minecraft, some memory gets allocated to the GPUs, reducing the total available to the rest of the system. 2GB used at idle, then when you load Minecraft (which asks for up to 6GB of RAM), your GPUs only have 4GB of RAM left (not accounting for any other applications that want to open).
A 512x resource pack can happily bring modern desktop systems to their knees, purely because of the amount of GPU RAM required to store all those textures. When you add in to that SEUS shaders, which are known to be resource-intensive, it's understandable why your system suffers. You can see from the last few lines of your latest log posted above, where the server (which is run on your machine when playing single-player) can't keep up - at one point running 18.5 seconds behind, before crashing.
Now all that is out of the way - how to help! To reduce the load on your laptop, try running on a multiplayer server, rather than singleplayer - this will take some of the heavy-lifting away from your laptop, and pass it on to the server. Because you are running moded, that may not be easy (trying to find a server that runs the same mods as you want to), so an alternative is to change your resource pack for a less detailed one (such as 64x or 128x) - this will stop your GPUs from taking so much system RAM. You could also try removing the shaders, or use more resource-friendly ones (I like builderb0y's QOL shaders).
As with most trouble-shooting advice, the best way to resolve the issue is to revert as much as possible to vanilla/default, then add things one at a time until the problem resurfaces (or try alternatives).
No, it's because it's poorly coded in Java. if it were better coded it wouldn't even matter that it's made in Java.
Also, Java is much less powerful than C++. Minecraft Bedrock Edition is written in C++.
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Also, Java is much less powerful than C++. Minecraft Bedrock Edition is written in C++.
once again false. Java is less powerful, but not by a large margin. The main performance drawbacks are in RAM usage, with actual CPU usage being almost identical to using C++ or another native language due to Java being run in a JIT VM.
once again false. Java is less powerful, but not by a large margin. The main performance drawbacks are in RAM usage, with actual CPU usage being almost identical to using C++ or another native language due to Java being run in a JIT VM.
Right! The JVM produces extremely fast JIT compiled code, close to C++ speed. So C++ is just a little more powerful than Java.
"Algorithm choice is the overwhelming dominant factor in the speed of any software, not language choice."
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Hello everyone, I have started playing minecraft a few weeks ago. While unmodded Minecraft works fine, I have decided to experiment with a few mods. I have also took my time and tried the recommendations of this guide here. Before I go further, I should talk about my specs maybe.I have an i7 4900MQ CPU, 2X 680M SLI GPUs and 12 GB of RAM. I can play most games of 2013-2016 era at high settings. And according to the guide I mentioned earlier, I should have no problem whatsoever running a modded game since I have way better specs than what was shown there (A way better CPU, a slightly better GPU but with SLI configuration. So, potentially over twice the graphic performance)Right now, this is the problem I am having. Once the game starts, the FPS is shown to be around 15, but from what I remember playing games like Skyrim, FPS of 15 was unbearable and controls were unresponsive, so you cannot do anything action heavy effectively. But here for some reason, I could fight monsters and actually enjoy the game. Until... a few minutes in and the game freezes for roughly 3 minutes straight. After it unfreezes, it lags every 5 seconds or so momentarily making doing anything very annoying. 10 more minutes like this and crashes with an error log which I will post of course.
I have 1 shader pack and 1 512x resourse pack, called Mainly Photo Realism 1.15. The game works fine with just the resource pack but it looks infinitely better with the shader pack and given that I have a more than strong enough hardware, I see no reason why I shouldn't try it.
I have the latest version of Minecraft by the way (1.16.3).The mods I have are:
cloth-config-forge-4.1.0.jar
CreativeCore-1.16.2.jar
ImmersiveEngineering-1.16.3-4.0.1-121.jar
light-overlay-5.5.3.jar
MixinBootstrap-1.0.3.jar
preview_OptiFine_1.16.3_HD_U_G3_pre1.jar (I disabled "Animated terrain" feature after reading that it may cause enormous performance drop while providing little-to-no visual benefit)
The shader pack I have is SEUS-Renewed-1.0.1
Apart from these changes, I used jdk-8.0.265.01-hotspot from https://adoptopenjdk.net/ since it was supposed to improve performance. But the same problem persisted when I switched back to the regular 64-bit Java.
The only JVM argument I have currently is -Xmx6G
Before I launch the game, my RAM usage is at 10-15%. But once the game is launched, my RAM usage jumps to 85-90% even when javaw.exe is shown to be using 2-3 GBs, which doesn't add up as long as basic math is concerned. When I add all other processes together, It shouldn't even crack 50% of RAM usage let alone 90%.
Since I am relatively new to Minecraft configuration, I am totally clueless as to how I should proceed now. What could possibly cause this problem and how should I go about correcting it?
I even used a program called "Vista Services Optimizer" which also works for Win7 that disabled windows background junk to free up resources when you set it to gaming mode.
Any suggestions are highly appreciated, here is the error log that is created after the game crashes 10-15 minutes in. My expectations aren't very high by the way. I am more than perfectly happy if I can get 20-25 FPS which is still underwhelming for my laptop, but at this point I'd take it.
Here is the pastebin link to my crash log - Error log
Thanks to everyone in advance.
In case you need more information, please let me know.
The crash-report refers to an issue with your Nvidia drivers - make sure you have the latest version.
If you have already the latest version, test it with an older version.
Thank you for the suggestion. I do indeed have the latest drivers. Could it also be an issue with SLI? Maybe I should try disabling it first to see if it works, otherwise, I'll go to the previous version to see how it works. I got mixed responses from googling whether Minecraft does benefit from SLI or not. In the meantime, was I right in assuming that my hardware is more than capable of handling this configuration?
jvm_args: -Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true -Xmn128M -Xmx11242M
You almost allocated all your RAM to Minecraft!
Do not allocated more than half your free memory to the game.
If trying other NVIDIA drivers doesn't work, then reinstall them from scratch.
Well, I allocated 6 and then 8 gigs of Ram, same thing happens roughly 10 minutes into the game. I even got rid of that dreaded "SEUS Shaders" which somehow fixed the FPS issue. I can now get 20-25 FPS. I also enabled SLI for minecraft as shown on this guide here - https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/c6q7ov/nvidia_sli_with_optifine_and_seus_shader_pack/
According to the SLI indicator, my GPUs aren't even utilized 50% for most of the time.
Another problem I notice is that, even though I have 12 GB of Ram, and the javaw.exe process takes 4-5 GB at most, the task manager shows my Physical Memory as 85-90% utilized once Minecraft is launched. Before that the utilization was 15%. Adding all the processes together doesn't even reach 8GB.
I'd appreciate it if you found something from the log - https://pastebin.com/wzRQSak9
This is just getting more ridiculous than I anticipated...
Also, I realized that Geforce Experience couldn't automatically install the latest drivers, so I did it myself which had no effect on Minecraft unfortunately. From what I checked, my GPU (probably even a single of them) should be able to run Minecraft with some shaderpack at 50 or more FPS. I'd be happy if it can stay at 25 without some ludicrous "error" message to be honest.
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Curse PremiumAccording to https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-680M.72679.0.html, your GPUs are from 2012-era, and although they were suitable to play the games of that era at high and ultra settings, modern Minecraft is a completely different beast. This is mainly because it is written in Java, which is not designed to be efficient for the game Minecraft has become (especially when you start adding mods into the equation).
With most laptop systems from that era, GPU memory is shared with the main system memory, so although you have 12GB of RAM, some of that (up to 4GB per GPU, according to that page linked above) will go to the GPU - this is why your memory usage does not appear to match what you are expecting. When you load Minecraft, some memory gets allocated to the GPUs, reducing the total available to the rest of the system. 2GB used at idle, then when you load Minecraft (which asks for up to 6GB of RAM), your GPUs only have 4GB of RAM left (not accounting for any other applications that want to open).
A 512x resource pack can happily bring modern desktop systems to their knees, purely because of the amount of GPU RAM required to store all those textures. When you add in to that SEUS shaders, which are known to be resource-intensive, it's understandable why your system suffers. You can see from the last few lines of your latest log posted above, where the server (which is run on your machine when playing single-player) can't keep up - at one point running 18.5 seconds behind, before crashing.
Now all that is out of the way - how to help!
To reduce the load on your laptop, try running on a multiplayer server, rather than singleplayer - this will take some of the heavy-lifting away from your laptop, and pass it on to the server. Because you are running moded, that may not be easy (trying to find a server that runs the same mods as you want to), so an alternative is to change your resource pack for a less detailed one (such as 64x or 128x) - this will stop your GPUs from taking so much system RAM. You could also try removing the shaders, or use more resource-friendly ones (I like builderb0y's QOL shaders).
As with most trouble-shooting advice, the best way to resolve the issue is to revert as much as possible to vanilla/default, then add things one at a time until the problem resurfaces (or try alternatives).
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No, it's because it's poorly coded in Java. if it were better coded it wouldn't even matter that it's made in Java.
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Also, Java is much less powerful than C++. Minecraft Bedrock Edition is written in C++.
once again false. Java is less powerful, but not by a large margin. The main performance drawbacks are in RAM usage, with actual CPU usage being almost identical to using C++ or another native language due to Java being run in a JIT VM.
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Right! The JVM produces extremely fast JIT compiled code, close to C++ speed. So C++ is just a little more powerful than Java.
"Algorithm choice is the overwhelming dominant factor in the speed of any software, not language choice."
https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/4x2tid/slow_java_compared_to_c_is_misconception/