this section is also a dead section, and as such further discussion will be sparse if not non-existant
this thread isnt about the moderators, so your point is moot
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This thread is about moderator's decisions to lock threads that you felt were locked unfairly.
The main problem I see with this "moderation", is that it appears to be sporadic at best and not uniform enough to cover everything.
If you guys are going to be moving / deleting topics and posts, then it needs to be done uniformly and fairly. You can't move some game and map threads, such as the one I had moved, without moving ALL similar threads.
I've had several discussions with some of the sectional moderators and was assured that it would be objectively and fairly done... I have yet to see that happen though.
this section is also a dead section, and as such further discussion will be sparse if not non-existant
this thread isnt about the moderators, so your point is moot
This section gets the attention from the appropriate audience. Mods and admins frequent this forum to better improve the forums as a whole. Concerned forum users also frequent this forum to voice their opinion.
This thread is about moderator's decisions to lock threads that you felt were locked unfairly.
okay, i concede on the first half of your post, getting feedback to the moderation/administration is good
this thread is about overzealous locking of threads, regardless of what the content is. so yes, it has to do with the moderation's actions, but has nothing to do with the moderators themselves
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I've had several discussions with some of the sectional moderators and was assured that it would
be objectively and fairly done... I have yet to see that happen though.
it is because the moderators are working off their own personal opinions on things, and nobody in the administration is doing anything about it
for alot of things, the moderation is based on popularity/friends and has nothing to do with what actually needs to be done
/offtopic irrelevant rant
The main problem I see with this "moderation", is that it appears to be sporadic at best and not uniform enough to cover everything.
If you guys are going to be moving / deleting topics and posts, then it needs to be done uniformly and fairly. You can't move some game and map threads, such as the one I had moved, without moving ALL similar threads.
I've had several discussions with some of the sectional moderators and was assured that it would be objectively and fairly done... I have yet to see that happen though.
Take a look at the Maps subforum and see how many Map threads I've moved.
We currently still do not have the moderator power to move every single occurrence of a type of thread. We're working on it according to the reports we receive. If you think there is a thread in the wrong section, report it and we'll move it if necessary.
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it is because the moderators are working off their own personal opinions on things, and nobody in the administration is doing anything about it
for alot of things, the moderation is based on popularity/friends and has nothing to do with what actually needs to be done
/offtopic irrelevant rant[size]
Moderators are working according to the rules and according to what users report. We simply do not have the power to moderate all forums at all times and take action on all threads and all posts. We take action on the posts and threads that users report, as they report them.
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it is because the moderators are working off their own personal opinions on things, and nobody in the administration is doing anything about it
for alot of things, the moderation is based on popularity/friends and has nothing to do with what actually needs to be done
/offtopic irrelevant rant[size]
Moderators are working according to the rules and according to what users report. We simply do not have the power to moderate all forums at all times and take action on all threads and all posts. We take action on the posts and threads that users report, as they report them.
i don't think you understood what i was talking about, but i'm not going to go into it because it isnt ontopic, and i've had enough experience with you to know you won't understand it anyways
-points to 20+ post argument we had near the start of beta-
You seem to have some misplaced disgust with the moderation team, and you falsely believe that we allow inappropriate or misplaced threads and posts to stay unlocked and unwarned because the users or threads are popular.
We work based on objective observance of posts, post content, and user history.
You seem to have some misplaced disgust with the moderation team, and you falsely believe that we allow inappropriate or misplaced threads and posts to stay unlocked and unwarned because the users or threads are popular.
We work based on objective observance of posts, post content, and user history.
then go lock the advPNG troll thread that has been being reported/trolled/flamed/spammed for months
and my personal disgust of the moderation team doesn't exist. i have personal disgust for certain members of the team
If nobody reads the picture thread, why make a subsection for it? It doesn't seem worth the effort to me. I doubt anybody that doesn't read the picture thread will read the sub section. I mean, the pictures might be cool, but do they really need a whole thread if nobodys really going to read it?
i won't waste time sifting thru the spam-tastic pictures/videos threads
i'll spend hours sifting thru the subforum, where i can actually provide suggestions/comments/feedback on people's creations, and also take inspiration from them
In what way is picking them off the topic list any better than sifting through the thread? You don't know if a thread is spammy or not until you click it. If you want to give feedback to a builder, why can't you just quote them and tell them what you think of your work?
Topic titles may be a help, but I can't count the number of threads I've read with promising names that I decided to click that turned out to be spam.
Some guy walks into a bar and shows off his new painting to his friends.
The cops bust down the door, get in a golfcart and take the guy (golfcart? still don't know why) to a "Art Dump". A giant landfill of millions and millions of artistic items - they drop his painting on the floor amass the millions as many others are doing to their paintings, CDs, televisions and woodcraft. They say "You see? That's where artistic things go. If someone wants to look for something artist, they'll come here." *slaps the person* "What? A ban?!" "That's right, you didn't follow art placement rules. You're coming downtown".
Don't ask, I'm sort of sure it was a dream, but I might've just been drunk.
The point still stands, however. If you make a landfill of artistic items and banslap people who try to show their masterpieces to the world, I wouldn't call it the most efficient way to organize art.
A sub-section for videos and pictures would sort of work.
If people make tons of picture and video threads, it's not like it's clogging out any discussion about something else, which is exactly what happened to the Beta forum before those threads were made.
Threads with a single picture of a crappy object and a one-liner ("i buelded dis") won't get responses by the users and it'll float to the bottom to rest in peace.
Threads with several pictures of something amazing and a few paragraphs about it will get responses by the users and it'll stay at the top, reminding new users of how to post their thread.
It seems like it would work for a while, but there would definitely need to be at least a few moderators that are dedicated to moderating those forums in order to keep out off-topic spam (like herobrine, porn, videos NOT about minecraft) because there's definitely going to be a lot of that.
Nice to see you took an appropriate course of action for bringing this up.
Simply put, it would be awesome for all of those topics to have their own threads- but we can't allow that. There would simply be so many one-off picture and video threads that any real discussion would get pushed off the front page.
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Sigh... I don't honestly see how locking a thread prevents this! The useless thread still exists and has already done its damage. People come about and post these redundant threads over and over and locking them is not preventing them. Granted I don't think some of the threads that had been locked should have been.
Maybe each thread should go through a quick review by the moderators before it is allowed to be posted. It may be more work, but prolly not much more than having to review and lock the ones you lock. Is this completely impractical? I would rather my post take some time before posted, than it get posted, the mod doesn't like it, and I get my third warning and become BANNED!
Just a thought, I actually do read the picture thread. I will say that it is hard to respond to a specific person's work, but otherwise I like that thread.
As for videos, a distinction needs to be made between Let's Plays and shorter demonstration videos.
If the super mario bros note block song had been a tutorial, would it then have deserved its own thread? I mean, look at the C-Booster thread... My point is that it is sometimes hard to distinguish between videos that should go in the video thread/[nonexistent] subforum and those that offer something in a way that they deserve their own threads.
I feel there are some inconsistencies, but I have no solutions to offer, I just feel the distinction is important and worth considering :smile.gif:
Thanks for the moderation, otherwise, 'tis badly needed.
(Also, just saying, "overzealous" is ambiguous, pointless rhetoric, and obviously inflammatory. It's hard to fix "overzealous", but easy to fix things that go "I feel that X needs to change to Y for reasons A, B, and C". Just a thought.)
I know this is my first post and all (yay) but I've been looking at the forums since alpha and I think the problem with good theards being locked has gotten worse over time. I porpose that there should be a system were if one modarator locks a thread and three modarators dissagree then it should be re-opened. Also the modrators should post a reason on why it has been block.
Sorry about my spelling I have dyslexia.
Usually the moderator edits the first post to state the reason why it was locked, and moderators may be called out by others in the hidden moderator forum n-n
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Let's put it short - A subsection for pictures is not worth it. If nobody but you reads the picture thread, why would they read the subforum for it? It makes no sense. Be constuctive nextime, and maybe try being nice if you want people to do things for you.
you still fail to comprehend my post. whether you understand why or not doesn't change the fact that you don't understand the underlying logic of my post
Also the modrators should post a reason on why it has been block.
They already do this, and the poster gets a friendly PM from the Mod, I have gotten 2 already >_<. My issue is, that I was told 1 more warning and I go to BAN jail :sad.gif:. However, I like posting stuffies on the forums, and I can't be 100% sure if something I post will be locked because a mod thinks it should go to the "________ Thread." Also, I find it amuzing that they locked like 3 threads today that were videos and what not, but yesterday we had 3 Mob Trap threads sprout up anew, even after I bumped a past discussion on the exact thing the new thread addressed, but those threads all lived...
IDK, I agree with locking, and actually would prefer the deletion of, irrelevant threads, Like "QQ, a creeper blew up my garden," Or "Viagra" Threads, or even some of these threads put up without context to allow for discussion. But I didn't see any of these issues with the 3 that were locked this time, but many of these very kind of threads still live in the forums.
This section gets the attention from the appropriate audience. Mods and admins frequent this forum to better improve the forums as a whole. Concerned forum users also frequent this forum to voice their opinion.
This thread is about moderator's decisions to lock threads that you felt were locked unfairly.
If you guys are going to be moving / deleting topics and posts, then it needs to be done uniformly and fairly. You can't move some game and map threads, such as the one I had moved, without moving ALL similar threads.
I've had several discussions with some of the sectional moderators and was assured that it would be objectively and fairly done... I have yet to see that happen though.
okay, i concede on the first half of your post, getting feedback to the moderation/administration is good
this thread is about overzealous locking of threads, regardless of what the content is. so yes, it has to do with the moderation's actions, but has nothing to do with the moderators themselves
it is because the moderators are working off their own personal opinions on things, and nobody in the administration is doing anything about it
for alot of things, the moderation is based on popularity/friends and has nothing to do with what actually needs to be done
/offtopic irrelevant rant
Take a look at the Maps subforum and see how many Map threads I've moved.
We currently still do not have the moderator power to move every single occurrence of a type of thread. We're working on it according to the reports we receive. If you think there is a thread in the wrong section, report it and we'll move it if necessary.
Moderators are working according to the rules and according to what users report. We simply do not have the power to moderate all forums at all times and take action on all threads and all posts. We take action on the posts and threads that users report, as they report them.
i don't think you understood what i was talking about, but i'm not going to go into it because it isnt ontopic, and i've had enough experience with you to know you won't understand it anyways
-points to 20+ post argument we had near the start of beta-
We work based on objective observance of posts, post content, and user history.
then go lock the advPNG troll thread that has been being reported/trolled/flamed/spammed for months
and my personal disgust of the moderation team doesn't exist. i have personal disgust for certain members of the team
if they did that, awesome things like the pacman thread would never have been seen
We want to let the community know what should and shouldn't be posted. That's why we publicly warn people.
i won't waste time sifting thru the spam-tastic pictures/videos threads
i'll spend hours sifting thru the subforum, where i can actually provide suggestions/comments/feedback on people's creations, and also take inspiration from them
you completely failed to comprehend my post
Some guy walks into a bar and shows off his new painting to his friends.
The cops bust down the door, get in a golfcart and take the guy (golfcart? still don't know why) to a "Art Dump". A giant landfill of millions and millions of artistic items - they drop his painting on the floor amass the millions as many others are doing to their paintings, CDs, televisions and woodcraft. They say "You see? That's where artistic things go. If someone wants to look for something artist, they'll come here." *slaps the person* "What? A ban?!" "That's right, you didn't follow art placement rules. You're coming downtown".
Don't ask, I'm sort of sure it was a dream, but I might've just been drunk.
The point still stands, however. If you make a landfill of artistic items and banslap people who try to show their masterpieces to the world, I wouldn't call it the most efficient way to organize art.
A sub-section for videos and pictures would sort of work.
If people make tons of picture and video threads, it's not like it's clogging out any discussion about something else, which is exactly what happened to the Beta forum before those threads were made.
Threads with a single picture of a crappy object and a one-liner ("i buelded dis") won't get responses by the users and it'll float to the bottom to rest in peace.
Threads with several pictures of something amazing and a few paragraphs about it will get responses by the users and it'll stay at the top, reminding new users of how to post their thread.
It seems like it would work for a while, but there would definitely need to be at least a few moderators that are dedicated to moderating those forums in order to keep out off-topic spam (like herobrine, porn, videos NOT about minecraft) because there's definitely going to be a lot of that.
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Sigh... I don't honestly see how locking a thread prevents this! The useless thread still exists and has already done its damage. People come about and post these redundant threads over and over and locking them is not preventing them. Granted I don't think some of the threads that had been locked should have been.
Maybe each thread should go through a quick review by the moderators before it is allowed to be posted. It may be more work, but prolly not much more than having to review and lock the ones you lock. Is this completely impractical? I would rather my post take some time before posted, than it get posted, the mod doesn't like it, and I get my third warning and become BANNED!
As for videos, a distinction needs to be made between Let's Plays and shorter demonstration videos.
If the super mario bros note block song had been a tutorial, would it then have deserved its own thread? I mean, look at the C-Booster thread... My point is that it is sometimes hard to distinguish between videos that should go in the video thread/[nonexistent] subforum and those that offer something in a way that they deserve their own threads.
I feel there are some inconsistencies, but I have no solutions to offer, I just feel the distinction is important and worth considering :smile.gif:
Thanks for the moderation, otherwise, 'tis badly needed.
(Also, just saying, "overzealous" is ambiguous, pointless rhetoric, and obviously inflammatory. It's hard to fix "overzealous", but easy to fix things that go "I feel that X needs to change to Y for reasons A, B, and C". Just a thought.)
Usually the moderator edits the first post to state the reason why it was locked, and moderators may be called out by others in the hidden moderator forum n-n
Do not wallow do not stall
Time waits for none at all
Your allowance may crawl,
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you still fail to comprehend my post. whether you understand why or not doesn't change the fact that you don't understand the underlying logic of my post
They already do this, and the poster gets a friendly PM from the Mod, I have gotten 2 already >_<. My issue is, that I was told 1 more warning and I go to BAN jail :sad.gif:. However, I like posting stuffies on the forums, and I can't be 100% sure if something I post will be locked because a mod thinks it should go to the "________ Thread." Also, I find it amuzing that they locked like 3 threads today that were videos and what not, but yesterday we had 3 Mob Trap threads sprout up anew, even after I bumped a past discussion on the exact thing the new thread addressed, but those threads all lived...
IDK, I agree with locking, and actually would prefer the deletion of, irrelevant threads, Like "QQ, a creeper blew up my garden," Or "Viagra" Threads, or even some of these threads put up without context to allow for discussion. But I didn't see any of these issues with the 3 that were locked this time, but many of these very kind of threads still live in the forums.
but alas, everything needs to be overcomplicated because of laziness and inability to see long-term benefits/problems
i was also going to post the end-all logic of this, that would basically end this discussion, but now i'm also feeling lazy
it is very simple and straightforward. i'm not going to hold your hand and guide you thru it