Kind of a stretch for a minecraft related discussion, but I think it's close enough. (Perhaps some other forum moderator will move it though).
There are some general flaws in the evidence you have presented, and as a result I feel your conclusion is also flawed. The first flaw is the assumption that the price of a system is directly related to the general processing power of the system. If this were true you wouldn't be able to pick up a modern 8GB card for under $50. To put things in perspective, in 1975 a 1KB board would cost roughly 175 USD. In the course of 40 years, the modern memory card is exponentiation better in terms of capacity, and is roughly 28% of the cost. This would suggest that the processing power is going up, and the over all price is going down. You can find many sources for this, I used this listing of several various cards.
The second issue I noticed is that your specs and time frames are off. In the early 2000s I had a desktop system with 512mb of ram, in 2007 I had a laptop with 4gb of ram, in early 2011 I had a laptop with 8gb of ram, and in late 2012 I had a laptop with 16gb of ram. All of which were moderately priced, and not the absolute top of the line. While my own experiences don't completely invalidate your presented evidence, there are many examples online which do not fit your presented model. One such example can be found on the previous link, where a 512 from 2003 is listed with a price of $39 usd.
The last flaw I noticed with your post, is the "My Laptop is a year old. and I cant upgrade to windows 10. 2GB RAM, Intel Celeron" bit. From your own data, a laptop from last year should have 4GB to 16Gb, The official recommended requirements are looking for 1GB for a 32X system, and 2GB for a 64x system, so you're good either way. I have personally installed windows 10 on my small windows tablet, which only has 2GB of ram, and it runs surprisingly fast. The recommended specs can be seen here.
So, to summarize, no I partially agree with you. Yes, it's good because computers and laptops are now faster, and yes more games are supported, and it allows for developers to do some more insane things. No, I do not agree that computers and laptops are getting more expensive. Over all, as a user and a developer, I feel that computer technology is developing at a reasonable pace, and if you actually look behind the scenes you will see that it's developing much faster then one might realize.
As for minecraft, better technology is always better, however most games don't really benefit from it. Many games such as Minecraft are limited by the version of OpenGL they support. Minecraft was supporting a really old OpenGL version up until almost a year ago. As of Oct2 2014, Mojang upgraded to version 2.1 of OpenGL, however many newer systems support 3.2 and some systems such as my own support 4.5 (which is currently the latest). Why is this important? Well OpenGL is an interface which allows applications to interact with a graphics card. Newer versions bring more efficiency, and more efficient ways of doing things. There is a similar issue with DirectX. You can read Mojang's statement on OpenGL here, and check out steams hardware survey here. While better CPUs and GPUs will increase the overall performance of minecraft and other games, regardless of the OpenGL version, most modern systems can easily handle most games at 60fps+. Because of this, we generally don't see the benefits.
I was addressing each of your data points- until I realized they were entirely arbitrary and demonstrably wrong. Pretty much every range you provided "typical" configurations for was completely wrong and chosen pretty much at random.
1. My Laptop is a year old. and I cant upgrade to windows 10. 2GB RAM, Intel Celeron
This has nothing to do with "computers developing too fast" and everything to do with you selecting a bottom-of-the-barrel system. I have a laptop that is 7 years old and it runs Windows 8.1 fine and would no doubt run Windows 10. it has 4GB of RAM and does not have a Celeron.
2. Computers and Laptops are getting More Expensive
Computers and Laptops are not getting more expensive. They are getting cheaper.. This doesn't mean that you cannot spend more money on a system, but it means that it is no longer a requirement. The original IBM PC retailed for $1,500 to $3,000 dollars in the Early 80's. Adjusting for inflation that is over $7,000. You cannot compare systems like your bottom-of-the-barrel Celeron with a modern, usable system and state the cost has increased. The cost hasn't increased because the system is going to be newer, the cost increased because you are no longer scraping the bottom of the barrel. You would find the same price differential between your Celeron trash and a usable system available at the time of purchase.
You can upgrade. I have 2 GB of ram and an Atom cpu. You might be limited to 32 bit. I know someone already said this, but If you skim read, you may have missed it.
I apologize in advance for sounding rude, I am not trying to.
Your facts are incorrect, most notably your average specs. I know for a fact that laptops in the entirety of 2012 were easily obtainable with 8GB of RAM and i5 processors. My laptop is a model from the beginning of 2012, and would be considered on the upper end of the spectrum according to your data (i3, 4GB of RAM), but was considered average at that time. Also, according to your "facts", an average one-year-old laptop would have had 4GB at the MINIMUM. But from what I've seen, in-store laptops usually have 6-8GB of RAM, and have i3/i5 processors, with the lower ends having Pentiums (which are supposed to be above Celetrons BTW). Also, your PC specs probably don't have a single thing to do with installing Win10: I've heard of problems involving the system files preventing upgrades.
Conclusion: Redo your post, research your facts FIRST, and THEN post.
The past few years have shown amazing advances in computing technology. Thumb Drive sized SSD's, incredibly powerful GPU's and CPU's, PCI SSD's and the likes, it's amazing some of the technology coming to light.
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Has Anyone Been Noticing Computers have been improving Rapidly or Too Fast?
2000-2005
Desktops- 64MB-192MB RAM, Intel Pentium 4, Intel Pentium D, Windows 2000-XP
Laptops- 16MB-128MB RAM, Intel Pentium 3-4, Windows 2000-XP
2005-2009
Desktops- 1GB-4GB RAM, Intel Pentium D, Intel Core i3, Windows Vista-7
Laptops- 1GB-2GB RAM, Intel Celeron D, AMD Athlon 64, Windows Vista-7
2009-2012
Desktops- 4GB-8GB RAM, Intel Core i3-i7, Windows 7-8
Laptops- 2GB-4GB, Intel Celeron, Intel Core i3, Windows 7-8
2012-2015
Desktops- 6GB-16GB RAM, Intel Core i5-i7, Windows 7-10
Laptops- 4GB-16GB RAM, Intel Celeron, Intel Core i5-i7, Windows 7-10
In My Own Opinion is that Computers have been Developing too Fast.
Why I Think it is Good.
1. Computers and Laptops are now Faster.
2. it can support more games that are intensive
Why Do I Think it is Bad?
1. My Laptop is a year old. and I cant upgrade to windows 10. 2GB RAM, Intel Celeron
2. Computers and Laptops are getting More Expensive
Does anyone Agree With Me?
P.S It is good for minecraft tho!
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Kind of a stretch for a minecraft related discussion, but I think it's close enough. (Perhaps some other forum moderator will move it though).
There are some general flaws in the evidence you have presented, and as a result I feel your conclusion is also flawed. The first flaw is the assumption that the price of a system is directly related to the general processing power of the system. If this were true you wouldn't be able to pick up a modern 8GB card for under $50. To put things in perspective, in 1975 a 1KB board would cost roughly 175 USD. In the course of 40 years, the modern memory card is exponentiation better in terms of capacity, and is roughly 28% of the cost. This would suggest that the processing power is going up, and the over all price is going down. You can find many sources for this, I used this listing of several various cards.
The second issue I noticed is that your specs and time frames are off. In the early 2000s I had a desktop system with 512mb of ram, in 2007 I had a laptop with 4gb of ram, in early 2011 I had a laptop with 8gb of ram, and in late 2012 I had a laptop with 16gb of ram. All of which were moderately priced, and not the absolute top of the line. While my own experiences don't completely invalidate your presented evidence, there are many examples online which do not fit your presented model. One such example can be found on the previous link, where a 512 from 2003 is listed with a price of $39 usd.
The last flaw I noticed with your post, is the "My Laptop is a year old. and I cant upgrade to windows 10. 2GB RAM, Intel Celeron" bit. From your own data, a laptop from last year should have 4GB to 16Gb, The official recommended requirements are looking for 1GB for a 32X system, and 2GB for a 64x system, so you're good either way. I have personally installed windows 10 on my small windows tablet, which only has 2GB of ram, and it runs surprisingly fast. The recommended specs can be seen here.
So, to summarize, no I partially agree with you. Yes, it's good because computers and laptops are now faster, and yes more games are supported, and it allows for developers to do some more insane things. No, I do not agree that computers and laptops are getting more expensive. Over all, as a user and a developer, I feel that computer technology is developing at a reasonable pace, and if you actually look behind the scenes you will see that it's developing much faster then one might realize.
As for minecraft, better technology is always better, however most games don't really benefit from it. Many games such as Minecraft are limited by the version of OpenGL they support. Minecraft was supporting a really old OpenGL version up until almost a year ago. As of Oct2 2014, Mojang upgraded to version 2.1 of OpenGL, however many newer systems support 3.2 and some systems such as my own support 4.5 (which is currently the latest). Why is this important? Well OpenGL is an interface which allows applications to interact with a graphics card. Newer versions bring more efficiency, and more efficient ways of doing things. There is a similar issue with DirectX. You can read Mojang's statement on OpenGL here, and check out steams hardware survey here. While better CPUs and GPUs will increase the overall performance of minecraft and other games, regardless of the OpenGL version, most modern systems can easily handle most games at 60fps+. Because of this, we generally don't see the benefits.
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I was addressing each of your data points- until I realized they were entirely arbitrary and demonstrably wrong. Pretty much every range you provided "typical" configurations for was completely wrong and chosen pretty much at random.
This has nothing to do with "computers developing too fast" and everything to do with you selecting a bottom-of-the-barrel system. I have a laptop that is 7 years old and it runs Windows 8.1 fine and would no doubt run Windows 10. it has 4GB of RAM and does not have a Celeron.
Computers and Laptops are not getting more expensive.
They are getting cheaper.. This doesn't mean that you cannot spend more money on a system, but it means that it is no longer a requirement. The original IBM PC retailed for $1,500 to $3,000 dollars in the Early 80's. Adjusting for inflation that is over $7,000. You cannot compare systems like your bottom-of-the-barrel Celeron with a modern, usable system and state the cost has increased. The cost hasn't increased because the system is going to be newer, the cost increased because you are no longer scraping the bottom of the barrel. You would find the same price differential between your Celeron trash and a usable system available at the time of purchase.
You can upgrade. I have 2 GB of ram and an Atom cpu. You might be limited to 32 bit. I know someone already said this, but If you skim read, you may have missed it.
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I apologize in advance for sounding rude, I am not trying to.
Your facts are incorrect, most notably your average specs. I know for a fact that laptops in the entirety of 2012 were easily obtainable with 8GB of RAM and i5 processors. My laptop is a model from the beginning of 2012, and would be considered on the upper end of the spectrum according to your data (i3, 4GB of RAM), but was considered average at that time. Also, according to your "facts", an average one-year-old laptop would have had 4GB at the MINIMUM. But from what I've seen, in-store laptops usually have 6-8GB of RAM, and have i3/i5 processors, with the lower ends having Pentiums (which are supposed to be above Celetrons BTW). Also, your PC specs probably don't have a single thing to do with installing Win10: I've heard of problems involving the system files preventing upgrades.
Conclusion: Redo your post, research your facts FIRST, and THEN post.
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The past few years have shown amazing advances in computing technology. Thumb Drive sized SSD's, incredibly powerful GPU's and CPU's, PCI SSD's and the likes, it's amazing some of the technology coming to light.
Yeah I can't wait for that 3D storage of whatever its called.
Anyway, even if computers were developing too fast I'd be happy. Who doesn't want advancements?
I can't wait for Virtual Reality. *cough*And NerveGear*ahem*reference*cough*
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In 2004, a normal Desktop computer had about 512 MB of ram. Not 128. Because where's the jump from 128MB - 1 GB from 2005 - 2007?
64 - 128 MB of ram was around 1998 - 2001 presumably. I have a old windows 98 laptop and that had about 64MB ram.
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