the games being made on the xbox one will use the cloud to improve the way games are played, thus internet connection is required. People are just blind if they dont see how much this will improve games, allowing devs to upload and tweak games on the fly.
There is, however, a difference between having games on the cloud and having a required internet connection. The cloud-based system is the same for Steam, and that's what they're basing it off of. However Steam allows you to play offline, whereas the Xbox one does not; you must be connected online once every 24 hours in order to continue playing. The cloud may allow developers to tweak on the fly, but that advantage flies out the window completely if online connection is required. Had it been that the connection wasn't required to play the games, people wouldn't be complaining, but it is literally required to play the games. Not just get updates to the games, but to literally play the games.
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[quote=Badgerz]You have to keep in mind that people are stupid.
[quote=Catelite]Just because you don't understand how something works, doesn't make it broken or pointless. >_<
And why would anyone want to do business with gamestop when they try to screw you when it comes to trade ins? When you buy new, the developer gets the $$, which results in better income for the devs which leads to better content the game company can offer.
I do love this. Nobody started complaining until games began to have much bigger budgets. Used games have a place, forgetting Gamestop's bad practices, and that place is to save people from buying a game full price and either only get an experience that's worth maybe $30-40, or not actually enjoying said experience. If more publishers and developers actually started caring about the quality of a game, I don't think as many people would be opposed to a $50-60 dollar price point, even though those price points for a piece of entertainment are already ludicrous.
the games being made on the xbox one will use the cloud to improve the way games are played, thus internet connection is required. People are just blind if they dont see how much this will improve games, allowing devs to upload and tweak games on the fly.
You're not thinking about the downsides of a cloud service based console are you?
What happens when it goes down? What happens at the end of the consoles life? What happens to your games when you're expected to report in once every day, and can't? What if your ISP decides it's maintenance day, or severs your net line accidentally, or spotty service and bad weather come into play? Internet connections really can't deal with this, not yet.
Now, you can argue at the end of the consoles life, maybe they'll patch it so that those problems won't matter, but the issue becomes one of whether or not Microsoft will actually do that. All things considered, I doubt that.
To add onto that though, the Xbox One storing games locally; what if you run out of hard-disc space? Higher end hard-drives are not cheap and considering they'll probably be forcing onto us their own system, that cost goes up. They're expecting us to jump through so many hoops just to play our disc based games, that it's seriously detrimental.
One the other hand, take a look at Apple's (not meaning to start an argument) latest masterpiece. http://www.apple.com/mac-pro/
What apple created: Possibly the fastest personal computer ever created, with completely new and innovative technologies.
It sure is a brute but nothing new or groundbreaking in terms of computing technology, just the familiar gradual improvements to what is already well defined. And to be fair Apple didn't "create it" per say, this thing is assembled from parts made by Intel and AMD among others.
On a side note 12 cores is a little nuts. The only way one can possibly get the full power from a 4-core processor, let alone a 12-core one, is to run n (n being number of cores) linear, independent processes on each one like what Foobar2000 does with its audio conversion for example. Great for batch processing, an astronomical waste of money and power for anything else.
I already have it on PC, which everyone who isn't a XBox fanboy knows is far superior to any console. I'm not getting that worthless piece of crap for a watered down version of a game I already have. (Mods, resource packs, free, customizable skins)
XB1 will 'check in' by itself, As long as its connected to the internet. I cant vouch for everyone, but i personally dont know anyone who has Xbox Live gold, and doesnt have an internet connection.
And the console just has to be reconnected to the internet to play again if you did have a mishap with your connection.
People are gonna want to buy what ever they want to buy, whether or not its due to the size of their budget or the preference of game titles.
I already have my xb1 paid off in full, with no regrets. MS has put a lot of thought into their policies, and despite what the large majority of the internet seems to think, they are for the better.
How ever for those of us who are less fortunate and cant afford/maintain an internet connection, i do see how the ps4 would be the better choice.
I'd love to try and explain how everythings going to work for the new xbox 1 and its policies, but its similiar to trying to convert religious people to non religious people. People are going to believe/interpret things how they choose, BUT before ultra raging all over the internet, take some time to do some research, youll be surprised that the big bad microsoft isnt as bad as everyones making them seem.
It's sad how many ignorant bandwagoners there are out there. You were going to buy a new 500 dollar console meant for online play and you don't have an internet connection? Wow. How are you even complaining online without a connection? *addressed to nobody in particular*
Wow. How are you even complaining online without a connection? *addressed to nobody in particular*
There can be a vast difference between a connection capable of browsing the internet and one capable of playing a modern game online. A fast and most importantly, a stable connection is needed for online play, but even with a slow and unstable connection you can browse the web just fine with a bit of patience.
Also, there is nothing that suggests Microsoft intended the Xbone to focus on online games, as far as I know.
XB1 will 'check in' by itself, As long as its connected to the internet. I cant vouch for everyone, but i personally dont know anyone who has Xbox Live gold, and doesnt have an internet connection.
And the console just has to be reconnected to the internet to play again if you did have a mishap with your connection.
The mere fact that it even works that way is a really big issue though. When I buy a console, I expect it to work offline no matter what. Forcing me to keep up with a connection just to play on it is a horrendous feature, and needs to be axed.
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People are gonna want to buy what ever they want to buy, whether or not its due to the size of their budget or the preference of game titles.
I already have my xb1 paid off in full, with no regrets. MS has put a lot of thought into their policies, and despite what the large majority of the internet seems to think, they are for the better.
It's not just the forced connection requirements for the console that are bad, but locking out the ability to share games and play used games is as well. Bundling the Kinect with the system also needlessly drives the price up for people who don't give a damn about it. I'm not really sure why you think that's good.
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I'd love to try and explain how everythings going to work for the new xbox 1 and its policies, but its similiar to trying to convert religious people to non religious people. People are going to believe/interpret things how they choose, BUT before ultra raging all over the internet, take some time to do some research, youll be surprised that the big bad microsoft isnt as bad as everyones making them seem.
If you actually cared about the discussion, you would never, ever say this.
I can't vouch for everyone, but I personally don't know anyone who has Xbox Live gold, and doesn't have an internet connection.
>Xbox Live Gold
Do you see where this particular logic fails? I don't even touch the features on Xbox Live, let alone buy a gold membership; I made a profile because it told me too, and that was it. Now, that's just because I don't like online play, but how many people do you think even use Xbox Live at all, let alone have a gold membership? Yes, anyone who has a gold membership will have an internet connection. But that's the same logic as "Everyone who plays on a Minecraft server has an internet connection" or "Everyone who plays this online game has an internet connection". It'd be stupid to pay for something you can't use, so yes, anyone with a gold membership will have an internet connection. That's not the issue.
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[quote=Badgerz]You have to keep in mind that people are stupid.
[quote=Catelite]Just because you don't understand how something works, doesn't make it broken or pointless. >_<
Why is everyone hating on Xbox 1? It's a great system, and it has Halo 1 (which I play all the time) and Halo 2 (which I also play all the time).
They're not talking about the original Xbox, they're talking about the Xbox One that was not-so-recently announced. But then again, I don't even know if you're being sarcastic.
That's good to hear. I'd really love to see how this game does on both the Xbox One and PS4. Also considering the fact that Sony may have this generation in the bag already, Minecraft would flourish on the PS4 and lots of Playstation gamers would get to see what the fuss is about.
Don't mind that elephant with perfect controls for this game in the room..
All this hate for the xbox one, and half the people who hate the xbox because of their "policies" need to do some research instead of spreading these lies which you believe to be true.
You are the one that needs urgent research on the consumer.
the games being made on the xbox one will use the cloud to improve the way games are played, thus internet connection is required.
I will respond any support to online requirement with this:
You've lived in LA, SF, Seattle... very connected places. Try living in Janesville, WI or Blacksburg, VA
(source)
Or I'll explain it on my words. I'm sure you are living on a rich city. Go to a poorer city, to a poorer country or go on holidays and you'll realize how poor the connection is.
People are just blind if they dont see how much this will improve games, allowing devs to upload and tweak games on the fly.
You do realize that's nothing new, right? You do realize that Mojang and other companies tell you where there are new updates via either automatically telling you about them or via revising, right?
And why would anyone want to do business with gamestop when they try to screw you when it comes to trade ins? When you buy new, the developer gets the $$, which results in better income for the devs which leads to better content the game company can offer.
Too bad I live in South America and I can't pay them for 60$ or any overpriced value (which here in Argentina is like 300$. Good luck getting your mom buy games from here). Telling me I'm poor won't turn me away.
Not to mention that the price for these new, extremely detailed games is more than 5x the average of what they were 8 years ago. thats why we see so many free-to-play games popping up, the 60$ at the door business model is failing.
This contradicts with the quote above in every possible aspect. Most new games like Skyrim, Fallout 3 and others cost 60$. You say that we have to give money to developers and you then say that they are overpriced?
But I guess you cant get mad at people for being undereducated.
Which translates to: "I can't tolerate other people for having a different look on things other than mine. They must be uneducated idiots in desesperate look for a savior, which is I!"
Ha! My grandma owns an Xbox 1 and my 4 cousins and I play it all the time.
I will buy it because I already own the system.
No you don't... The Xbox One and the First Xbox are two VERY different things. And your Grandma probably doesn't have internet, nor know that the Xbox is not a Nintendo.
There is, however, a difference between having games on the cloud and having a required internet connection. The cloud-based system is the same for Steam, and that's what they're basing it off of. However Steam allows you to play offline, whereas the Xbox one does not; you must be connected online once every 24 hours in order to continue playing. The cloud may allow developers to tweak on the fly, but that advantage flies out the window completely if online connection is required. Had it been that the connection wasn't required to play the games, people wouldn't be complaining, but it is literally required to play the games. Not just get updates to the games, but to literally play the games.
[quote=Badgerz]You have to keep in mind that people are stupid.
[quote=Catelite]Just because you don't understand how something works, doesn't make it broken or pointless. >_<
I do love this. Nobody started complaining until games began to have much bigger budgets. Used games have a place, forgetting Gamestop's bad practices, and that place is to save people from buying a game full price and either only get an experience that's worth maybe $30-40, or not actually enjoying said experience. If more publishers and developers actually started caring about the quality of a game, I don't think as many people would be opposed to a $50-60 dollar price point, even though those price points for a piece of entertainment are already ludicrous.
You're not thinking about the downsides of a cloud service based console are you?
What happens when it goes down? What happens at the end of the consoles life? What happens to your games when you're expected to report in once every day, and can't? What if your ISP decides it's maintenance day, or severs your net line accidentally, or spotty service and bad weather come into play? Internet connections really can't deal with this, not yet.
Now, you can argue at the end of the consoles life, maybe they'll patch it so that those problems won't matter, but the issue becomes one of whether or not Microsoft will actually do that. All things considered, I doubt that.
To add onto that though, the Xbox One storing games locally; what if you run out of hard-disc space? Higher end hard-drives are not cheap and considering they'll probably be forcing onto us their own system, that cost goes up. They're expecting us to jump through so many hoops just to play our disc based games, that it's seriously detrimental.
It sure is a brute but nothing new or groundbreaking in terms of computing technology, just the familiar gradual improvements to what is already well defined. And to be fair Apple didn't "create it" per say, this thing is assembled from parts made by Intel and AMD among others.
On a side note 12 cores is a little nuts. The only way one can possibly get the full power from a 4-core processor, let alone a 12-core one, is to run n (n being number of cores) linear, independent processes on each one like what Foobar2000 does with its audio conversion for example. Great for batch processing, an astronomical waste of money and power for anything else.
And the console just has to be reconnected to the internet to play again if you did have a mishap with your connection.
People are gonna want to buy what ever they want to buy, whether or not its due to the size of their budget or the preference of game titles.
I already have my xb1 paid off in full, with no regrets. MS has put a lot of thought into their policies, and despite what the large majority of the internet seems to think, they are for the better.
How ever for those of us who are less fortunate and cant afford/maintain an internet connection, i do see how the ps4 would be the better choice.
I'd love to try and explain how everythings going to work for the new xbox 1 and its policies, but its similiar to trying to convert religious people to non religious people. People are going to believe/interpret things how they choose, BUT before ultra raging all over the internet, take some time to do some research, youll be surprised that the big bad microsoft isnt as bad as everyones making them seem.
100% agree. you HAVE to be online to play, you can't disconnect the eye. govt is watching us...
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There can be a vast difference between a connection capable of browsing the internet and one capable of playing a modern game online. A fast and most importantly, a stable connection is needed for online play, but even with a slow and unstable connection you can browse the web just fine with a bit of patience.
Also, there is nothing that suggests Microsoft intended the Xbone to focus on online games, as far as I know.
*ahem*
Yes.
bulldung? please don't tell me you're looking in the mirror again
The mere fact that it even works that way is a really big issue though. When I buy a console, I expect it to work offline no matter what. Forcing me to keep up with a connection just to play on it is a horrendous feature, and needs to be axed.
It's not just the forced connection requirements for the console that are bad, but locking out the ability to share games and play used games is as well. Bundling the Kinect with the system also needlessly drives the price up for people who don't give a damn about it. I'm not really sure why you think that's good.
If you actually cared about the discussion, you would never, ever say this.
>Xbox Live Gold
Do you see where this particular logic fails? I don't even touch the features on Xbox Live, let alone buy a gold membership; I made a profile because it told me too, and that was it. Now, that's just because I don't like online play, but how many people do you think even use Xbox Live at all, let alone have a gold membership? Yes, anyone who has a gold membership will have an internet connection. But that's the same logic as "Everyone who plays on a Minecraft server has an internet connection" or "Everyone who plays this online game has an internet connection". It'd be stupid to pay for something you can't use, so yes, anyone with a gold membership will have an internet connection. That's not the issue.
[quote=Badgerz]You have to keep in mind that people are stupid.
[quote=Catelite]Just because you don't understand how something works, doesn't make it broken or pointless. >_<
They're not talking about the original Xbox, they're talking about the Xbox One that was not-so-recently announced. But then again, I don't even know if you're being sarcastic.
Don't mind that elephant with perfect controls for this game in the room..
You are the one that needs urgent research on the consumer.
I will respond any support to online requirement with this:
(source)
Or I'll explain it on my words. I'm sure you are living on a rich city. Go to a poorer city, to a poorer country or go on holidays and you'll realize how poor the connection is.
You do realize that's nothing new, right? You do realize that Mojang and other companies tell you where there are new updates via either automatically telling you about them or via revising, right?
Too bad I live in South America and I can't pay them for 60$ or any overpriced value (which here in Argentina is like 300$. Good luck getting your mom buy games from here). Telling me I'm poor won't turn me away.
This contradicts with the quote above in every possible aspect. Most new games like Skyrim, Fallout 3 and others cost 60$. You say that we have to give money to developers and you then say that they are overpriced?
Which translates to: "I can't tolerate other people for having a different look on things other than mine. They must be uneducated idiots in desesperate look for a savior, which is I!"
Eᴠᴇʀʏ 60 sᴇᴄᴏɴᴅs ɪɴ Aғʀɪᴄᴀ, ᴀ ᴍɪɴᴜᴛᴇ ᴘᴀssᴇs. Tᴏɢᴇᴛʜᴇʀ ᴡᴇ ᴄᴀɴ sᴛᴏᴘ ᴛʜɪs. Pʟᴇᴀsᴇ sᴘʀᴇᴀᴅ ᴛʜᴇ ᴡᴏʀᴅ
No you don't... The Xbox One and the First Xbox are two VERY different things. And your Grandma probably doesn't have internet, nor know that the Xbox is not a Nintendo.