Honestly, when you consider the population of the world (or even the country/countries where they're based) and compare that with the 11 million Minecraft users... The proportion of prospective customers who are Minecraft users would be small enough that it wouldn't affect them much.
We have more than 21 million minecraft users, add the Pocket Edition players and the Xbox360 players. This is 3 time more population than my whole country.
We have more than 21 million minecraft users, add the Pocket Edition players and the Xbox360 players. This is 3 time more population than my whole country.
Mojang doesn't forbid people for buying more than 1 version of the game. Use logic.
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and the funny thing is that i see several bronies like myself roaming the topic
Putt-Putt
now i be sued
wait do they even know my address?
no :3
im just trollin on Putt-Putt
oh wait now i'm really sued D:
crap i should stop saying Putt-Putt
CRAP I SAID Putt-Putt AGAIN D:
NOOOOO YET AGAIN I SAY Putt-Putt
ok i think i should stop saying "that word" before i get sued bankrupt by "that company" :3
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Life is great when viewed from some angles. - Life sucks when viewed from others. - Right now, everyone is viewing life at the sucky angles.
They have no reason to, but they do it anyway. - Some of these people commit suicide. - Some do genocide. - Some just feel the need to mercilessly rebel.
And in doing so, they become one of the sucky angles that life can be viewed from. - And then others see it, and it spreads to them. - Don't let it spread to you. - Just ignore it.
If enough people ignore it, it will go away, fade, and all will be good again.
I am constantly surprised by the idiocy some people display.
you gawt dat right :3
i busted a CMOS battery fixing a charger in a laptop once..... still not as bad as this mistake of putt-putt's
CRAP ima get sued yet AGAIN for saying "that company"'s name D:
ive had my account for a half a year now and i still gotta have 3 more approved posts after this one. that's just to showhow inactive i am o some sites on a computer :3
bad and unintentional attempt to change the subject isnt it? lolz legal idiots these days.
Life is great when viewed from some angles. - Life sucks when viewed from others. - Right now, everyone is viewing life at the sucky angles.
They have no reason to, but they do it anyway. - Some of these people commit suicide. - Some do genocide. - Some just feel the need to mercilessly rebel.
And in doing so, they become one of the sucky angles that life can be viewed from. - And then others see it, and it spreads to them. - Don't let it spread to you. - Just ignore it.
If enough people ignore it, it will go away, fade, and all will be good again.
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does this describe putt-putt's actions?
I think it might I'm not sure exactly XD
EDIT
i found that pic on my computer somewhere
where t come from i duno
but its too hilarious
and i need to stop freakin editing so much XD
Life is great when viewed from some angles. - Life sucks when viewed from others. - Right now, everyone is viewing life at the sucky angles.
They have no reason to, but they do it anyway. - Some of these people commit suicide. - Some do genocide. - Some just feel the need to mercilessly rebel.
And in doing so, they become one of the sucky angles that life can be viewed from. - And then others see it, and it spreads to them. - Don't let it spread to you. - Just ignore it.
If enough people ignore it, it will go away, fade, and all will be good again.
does this describe putt-putt's actions?
I think it might I'm not sure exactly XD
EDIT
i found that pic on my computer somewhere
where t come from i duno
but its too hilarious
and i need to stop freakin editing so much XD
That was not funny, and you are not funny. Just stop.
so... when will this "putt-putt fun center" send mojang there check for promoting them? i mean... come on who is this unknown annoyance?? not like any of us have heard of them till now.... YOUR WELCOME!
Dear "clever" people saying "putt putt" or "scrolls":
Copyrights do not restrict the right to simply say or write the copyrighted terms. Showing that you think it does makes you look kind of dim, not funny.
This C&D is still ridiculous and hilarious.
That is all.
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If you paid a roofer to come out and fix the roof on your house and the guy fixes 99% of your roof, but that 1% that didn't get fixed leaked like a sieve, you would be understandably upset. This is no different.
With the internet being the internet, any search can pull up thousands of potential copyright violations on a daily basis. There's just not enough time in the human lifespan, never mind a work day, to personally review every last one. But they all still need to be dealt with because each one is a potential leak in their customer's wallet. So they bulk mail these cease and desist orders.
Then, one of three things happens: the person ceases and desists, the person doesn't cease and desist, or the person contacts them and argues his case. If the person complies with the order, then the problem is solved. If they don't comply after several warnings, it goes to court. If the person contacts them, then the case is reviewed more closely to see if an error has been made. If an error was made, then they say "our bad," everyone goes on with their respective lives and we get something funny to laugh about on the internet. If an error wasn't made, the lawyers explain why it's infringement and then the person has a choice to make: cease and desist, get sued, or rework what he is doing so he's compliant with the law. And for the record: giving away something for free that is similar to something that someone else is profiting from is absolutely NOTcompliant with the law. The question is whether or not the lawyer can prove that the free product is similar enough to result in lost revenue for his client. Sometimes that's easier said than done.
Either way MOJANG AB is in the clear on this one. It's also a bit of an understatement to say that arguing that these 3rd party mods are possibly resulting in lost revenue for a real world establishment is dubious, at best. But either way, these guys are just doing what they were paid to do. If it was your money, you wouldn't think it's so stupid.
With the internet being the internet, any search can pull up thousands of potential copyright violations on a daily basis. There's just not enough time in the human lifespan, never mind a work day, to personally review every last one. But they all still need to be dealt with because each one is a potential leak in their customer's wallet. So they bulk mail these cease and desist orders.
I 100% completely disagree with this statement. If you are going to be running around and accusing people of doing something you think is causing harm to you, you need to make sure that your accusation is accurate and that you are indeed being harmed.
If your trademark is being used so frequently and you find thousands of potential violations of your trademark on the internet that are genuine violations, I would say that you have all but already lost that trademark and are missing thousands if not million more potential infringements elsewhere. Due diligence should take those situations that seem problematic and try to investigate them further. If it takes hiring some paralegals to scan through some of those videos to find out what is going on, that is the cost of you doing business.
In the case of this letter from Putt Putt and similar kinds of frivolous legal threats, you can either ignore them completely or seek to take counter measures and start going after these lawyers to either take away their legal license or seek reverse damages. Actions like this can and I think even should more often cost the troll lawyers who try stuff of this nature. Common law in America and Britain (and other common law countries) permits these kind of legal penalties to be imposed upon lawyers who don't check their facts. And may whatever god you believe in have mercy on your soul if you try to actually take one of these stupid lawsuits to trial, as a judge will hit you with additional penalties and make a mockery out of your legal practice.
Your analogy is also flawed. This is more like a roofing contractor that sent out some crews to repair roofs in a subdivision, and your crew decided to re-shingle the wrong house.... and the people living in that house are complaining that the roof was just fixed last week by another company and furthermore suggesting you put shoddy and inferior materials on their roof. If that contractor didn't at least check if the address was correct before they started the work, they deserve to have some severe penalties applied or even have their contractor license revoked. BTW, that happens in the construction industry from time to time, and when it does.... it isn't pretty.
As for Mojang, it would drive me crazy with the plethora of stupid lawsuit threats that comes their way. You say that a person doesn't have the minutes in a lifetime to check out every possible infringement, I suggest that a person doesn't have enough time in their life to be filtering all of the stupid legal threats that are pointless. Even worse, dealing with legal threats in a country you've only occasionally visited as a tourist and have never conducted actual business in except over the internet. I certainly can understand why Notch at one time even suggested (half-joking) he was going to stop accepting payments from customers in America simply to stop even paying attention to any stupid legal threat like this.
With the internet being the internet, any search can pull up thousands of potential copyright violations on a daily basis. There's just not enough time in the human lifespan, never mind a work day, to personally review every last one. But they all still need to be dealt with because each one is a potential leak in their customer's wallet. So they bulk mail these cease and desist orders.
That's a good way to get counter-sued. A company that receives a C&D letter spends time and money responding to it, and if it's totally baseless like this they get annoyed, and some of them will get annoyed enough to tell their lawyers to make sure you don't do that again. Ever.
That aside, it's clear that they did personally review this, because they included a list of YouTube videos infringing on their trademark. I did a couple of searches myself on YouTube, and got hits on a lot of things unrelated to Minecraft. So at some point, a human being culled the hits and selected just the ones appropriate to their target -- Mojang, in this case. And while one can find a fair number of violations of the Putt-Putt trademark (by the way, they're taking about trademarks here, not copyrights; totally different issue) it's far from thousands of violators a day. It's doubtful that it's even thousands a year. Also, whowever drafted the letter had to decide who to CC it to. (okay, neither of the CC's actually works for Mojang, but Putt-Putt did try) Checking all of this out out before you give someone a reason to send their company lawyers after you is just due diligence. Also CYA.
It's also a bit of an understatement to say that arguing that these 3rd party mods are possibly resulting in lost revenue for a real world establishment is dubious, at best.
Again, you're thinking copyright, not trademark. In a trademark case, the concern is dilution of a trademark -- that is, confusing potential customers about who made or owns something. That's why, for example, in writers' magazines you see things like ads from the company that makes Rollerblades demanding that authors refer to a character in a story, not as "rollerblading", but as "roller skating on Rollerblades® brand of inline roller skates." Not, I suspect, that anyone actually does, but by running those ads (and suing the occasional egregious violator) they're demonstrating that they're actively protecting their trademark. Otherwise, "rollerblades" might be used to refer to any brand of inline skates, and thereby become genericized, the same way "zipper" did with reference to slide fasteners. With trademarks it's all about the identity of a product or the producer, not any gain or loss to the company because of someone else using it.
But either way, these guys are just doing what they were paid to do. If it was your money, you wouldn't think it's so stupid.
Actually, it has been my money. And I still think it's stupid.
I have a somewhat different angle on this than most people here because I have created and sold copyrighted products, I've owned trademarks, and I've dealt with infringement of both. It's been, not some company's money that I'm nominally responsible for, but my own income and my own livelihood. I have sent out C&D letters. I've exchanged some very interesting email. In one case, the FBI even got involved (one word: warez). So I'm responding from the position of "if it was your money" ... because it has been.
And when I took any such actions, I made damn sure that I was addressing the right target and that the people I was contacting worked for the right company. Seriously ... Don Mattrick? Unless there are two of them in the game industry, they're sending their C&D to a guy who works for the wrong company. Two wrong companies, if you count Zynga.
This is not standard procedure. if it was, Notch would have had a whole stack of C&D's to post from companies much bigger than Putt-Putt whose trademarks have been tromped all over with hobnail boots by MC players. This is either unconscionable sloppiness or a naked cash grab, and either one is bad.
So if mojang does get sued does it mean minecraft will stop updating?Its 20:percent lickley mojang will het sued by these peoplePlus there getting free advertising
We have more than 21 million minecraft users, add the Pocket Edition players and the Xbox360 players. This is 3 time more population than my whole country.
Putt-Putt
now i be sued
wait do they even know my address?
no :3
im just trollin on Putt-Putt
oh wait now i'm really sued D:
crap i should stop saying Putt-Putt
CRAP I SAID Putt-Putt AGAIN D:
NOOOOO YET AGAIN I SAY Putt-Putt
ok i think i should stop saying "that word" before i get sued bankrupt by "that company" :3
Besides, I thought Humongous Entertainment owned Putt-Putt.
you gawt dat right :3
i busted a CMOS battery fixing a charger in a laptop once..... still not as bad as this mistake of putt-putt's
CRAP ima get sued yet AGAIN for saying "that company"'s name D:
ive had my account for a half a year now and i still gotta have 3 more approved posts after this one. that's just to showhow inactive i am o some sites on a computer :3
bad and unintentional attempt to change the subject isnt it? lolz legal idiots these days.
I think it might I'm not sure exactly XD
EDIT
i found that pic on my computer somewhere
where t come from i duno
but its too hilarious
and i need to stop freakin editing so much XD
That was not funny, and you are not funny. Just stop.
Copyrights do not restrict the right to simply say or write the copyrighted terms. Showing that you think it does makes you look kind of dim, not funny.
This C&D is still ridiculous and hilarious.
That is all.
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With the internet being the internet, any search can pull up thousands of potential copyright violations on a daily basis. There's just not enough time in the human lifespan, never mind a work day, to personally review every last one. But they all still need to be dealt with because each one is a potential leak in their customer's wallet. So they bulk mail these cease and desist orders.
Then, one of three things happens: the person ceases and desists, the person doesn't cease and desist, or the person contacts them and argues his case. If the person complies with the order, then the problem is solved. If they don't comply after several warnings, it goes to court. If the person contacts them, then the case is reviewed more closely to see if an error has been made. If an error was made, then they say "our bad," everyone goes on with their respective lives and we get something funny to laugh about on the internet. If an error wasn't made, the lawyers explain why it's infringement and then the person has a choice to make: cease and desist, get sued, or rework what he is doing so he's compliant with the law. And for the record: giving away something for free that is similar to something that someone else is profiting from is absolutely NOT compliant with the law. The question is whether or not the lawyer can prove that the free product is similar enough to result in lost revenue for his client. Sometimes that's easier said than done.
Either way MOJANG AB is in the clear on this one. It's also a bit of an understatement to say that arguing that these 3rd party mods are possibly resulting in lost revenue for a real world establishment is dubious, at best. But either way, these guys are just doing what they were paid to do. If it was your money, you wouldn't think it's so stupid.
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I 100% completely disagree with this statement. If you are going to be running around and accusing people of doing something you think is causing harm to you, you need to make sure that your accusation is accurate and that you are indeed being harmed.
If your trademark is being used so frequently and you find thousands of potential violations of your trademark on the internet that are genuine violations, I would say that you have all but already lost that trademark and are missing thousands if not million more potential infringements elsewhere. Due diligence should take those situations that seem problematic and try to investigate them further. If it takes hiring some paralegals to scan through some of those videos to find out what is going on, that is the cost of you doing business.
In the case of this letter from Putt Putt and similar kinds of frivolous legal threats, you can either ignore them completely or seek to take counter measures and start going after these lawyers to either take away their legal license or seek reverse damages. Actions like this can and I think even should more often cost the troll lawyers who try stuff of this nature. Common law in America and Britain (and other common law countries) permits these kind of legal penalties to be imposed upon lawyers who don't check their facts. And may whatever god you believe in have mercy on your soul if you try to actually take one of these stupid lawsuits to trial, as a judge will hit you with additional penalties and make a mockery out of your legal practice.
Your analogy is also flawed. This is more like a roofing contractor that sent out some crews to repair roofs in a subdivision, and your crew decided to re-shingle the wrong house.... and the people living in that house are complaining that the roof was just fixed last week by another company and furthermore suggesting you put shoddy and inferior materials on their roof. If that contractor didn't at least check if the address was correct before they started the work, they deserve to have some severe penalties applied or even have their contractor license revoked. BTW, that happens in the construction industry from time to time, and when it does.... it isn't pretty.
As for Mojang, it would drive me crazy with the plethora of stupid lawsuit threats that comes their way. You say that a person doesn't have the minutes in a lifetime to check out every possible infringement, I suggest that a person doesn't have enough time in their life to be filtering all of the stupid legal threats that are pointless. Even worse, dealing with legal threats in a country you've only occasionally visited as a tourist and have never conducted actual business in except over the internet. I certainly can understand why Notch at one time even suggested (half-joking) he was going to stop accepting payments from customers in America simply to stop even paying attention to any stupid legal threat like this.
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That's a good way to get counter-sued. A company that receives a C&D letter spends time and money responding to it, and if it's totally baseless like this they get annoyed, and some of them will get annoyed enough to tell their lawyers to make sure you don't do that again. Ever.
That aside, it's clear that they did personally review this, because they included a list of YouTube videos infringing on their trademark. I did a couple of searches myself on YouTube, and got hits on a lot of things unrelated to Minecraft. So at some point, a human being culled the hits and selected just the ones appropriate to their target -- Mojang, in this case. And while one can find a fair number of violations of the Putt-Putt trademark (by the way, they're taking about trademarks here, not copyrights; totally different issue) it's far from thousands of violators a day. It's doubtful that it's even thousands a year. Also, whowever drafted the letter had to decide who to CC it to. (okay, neither of the CC's actually works for Mojang, but Putt-Putt did try) Checking all of this out out before you give someone a reason to send their company lawyers after you is just due diligence. Also CYA.
Again, you're thinking copyright, not trademark. In a trademark case, the concern is dilution of a trademark -- that is, confusing potential customers about who made or owns something. That's why, for example, in writers' magazines you see things like ads from the company that makes Rollerblades demanding that authors refer to a character in a story, not as "rollerblading", but as "roller skating on Rollerblades® brand of inline roller skates." Not, I suspect, that anyone actually does, but by running those ads (and suing the occasional egregious violator) they're demonstrating that they're actively protecting their trademark. Otherwise, "rollerblades" might be used to refer to any brand of inline skates, and thereby become genericized, the same way "zipper" did with reference to slide fasteners. With trademarks it's all about the identity of a product or the producer, not any gain or loss to the company because of someone else using it.
Actually, it has been my money. And I still think it's stupid.
I have a somewhat different angle on this than most people here because I have created and sold copyrighted products, I've owned trademarks, and I've dealt with infringement of both. It's been, not some company's money that I'm nominally responsible for, but my own income and my own livelihood. I have sent out C&D letters. I've exchanged some very interesting email. In one case, the FBI even got involved (one word: warez). So I'm responding from the position of "if it was your money" ... because it has been.
And when I took any such actions, I made damn sure that I was addressing the right target and that the people I was contacting worked for the right company. Seriously ... Don Mattrick? Unless there are two of them in the game industry, they're sending their C&D to a guy who works for the wrong company. Two wrong companies, if you count Zynga.
This is not standard procedure. if it was, Notch would have had a whole stack of C&D's to post from companies much bigger than Putt-Putt whose trademarks have been tromped all over with hobnail boots by MC players. This is either unconscionable sloppiness or a naked cash grab, and either one is bad.
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