That's honestly great to be honest man I just don't understand why when others ask for them to put big asked for items in the game others want to cry and complain about them asking. Ohhhh its so tough to code and then ohhhh but its so tough to fix the bugs. We get it and understand but seriously they are making money off this and ruining the old model T we loved so much as the bugs are still there getting you killed as you lose all your stuff and so on.
Its just a shame to me I think and many others that have paid their money and then "have to deal with it", because that's what others say. Those are the ones lapping up at their feet and groveling about how great they are and can never do wrong.
I have never said that it would be too hard to code. However, the hardware on the Xbox is a absolute rock-hard ceiling on what can go into the game. You can code anything, but you probably also then have to remove something else so that the game does not exceed the limits of the hardware. If you exceed the abilities of the RAM and processors in the Xbox, the game freezes... everyone's game freezes, period. We ALL have to just deal with it.
On the PC, people have PCs of varying capabilities and also PCs can have pieces of their guts changed to improve their individual system's capabilities. So, if Minecraft PC starts to freeze their computer, they can add RAM or swap out a newer graphic card and they're good again. However, the Xbox isn't built that way. So, if you want, say, "infinite worlds" - how much of the rest of the game are you willing to give up so that those worlds can load on the Xbox without freezing up solid?
Everyone just asks for more... no one says what they might be willing to give up in order to incorporate those features.
Also, the other big demands involve mods. However, 4J are not responsible for the Xbox being closed source. That's Microsoft's ballyhook and I doubt any amount of demanding community written mods is going to break down Microsoft so that they allow it; and certainly crapping on forum members who have been stating that reality and or 4J isn't going to change that.
I'm a firm believer that people who really prefer to play the game on the PC should play it on the PC where they enjoy playing it. That's not a slam on them... people should play whatever games they enjoy on whatever system they enjoy playing them on. Games are meant to be enjoyed, period. The Xbox 360 isn't getting anymore powerful at any time down the road (although you will be soon able to buy an Xbox One and play the Xbox One Version of Minecraft on that system) and opening up the ability for community members to write mods for the Xbox is REALLY UNLIKELY to ever happen either. It just IS what it IS... and what it always has been.
I have also never said that it's just too hard to fix the bugs. Not everything reported as a bug is a bug. Bugs, by definition, are repeatable and have a definite source of the problem within the code. When a player misunderstands or merely doesn't like the game mechanics (as in several of the animal farming issues) - that's not a coding bug. Also, EVERY software company deliberately does not correct very minor bugs because correcting a bug always runs the risk of introducing an even worse bug. It's a policy decision made by them. Also, 4J must adhere (as much as possible) to a schedule for updates that Microsoft gives them. Many people reporting bugs seem to think that the bug should be fixed the next time they load the game. It just doesn't work that way on the Xbox. The list of reported bugs is gathered, prioritized and the ones deemed most important are tracked and fixed. The updates also alternate - one adds features and the next one fixes bugs. There has been one exception TU10 and TU11 were both bug fixes... only because TU9 had a couple of critical bugs that necessitated adding in a "quick fix" bug update. Also, I believe the release of the game on disc has also disrupted the TU schedule somewhat.
I have never said that it would be too hard to code. However, the hardware on the Xbox is a absolute rock-hard ceiling on what can go into the game. You can code anything, but you probably also then have to remove something else so that the game does not exceed the limits of the hardware. If you exceed the abilities of the RAM and processors in the Xbox, the game freezes... everyone's game freezes, period. We ALL have to just deal with it.
On the PC, people have PCs of varying capabilities and also PCs can have pieces of their guts changed to improve their individual system's capabilities. So, if Minecraft PC starts to freeze their computer, they can add RAM or swap out a newer graphic card and they're good again. However, the Xbox isn't built that way. So, if you want, say, "infinite worlds" - how much of the rest of the game are you willing to give up so that those worlds can load on the Xbox without freezing up solid?
Everyone just asks for more... no one says what they might be willing to give up in order to incorporate those features.
Also, the other big demands involve mods. However, 4J are not responsible for the Xbox being closed source. That's Microsoft's ballyhook and I doubt any amount of demanding community written mods is going to break down Microsoft so that they allow it; and certainly crapping on forum members who have been stating that reality and or 4J isn't going to change that.
I'm a firm believer that people who really prefer to play the game on the PC should play it on the PC where they enjoy playing it. That's not a slam on them... people should play whatever games they enjoy on whatever system they enjoy playing them on. Games are meant to be enjoyed, period. The Xbox 360 isn't getting anymore powerful at any time down the road (although you will be soon able to buy an Xbox One and play the Xbox One Version of Minecraft on that system) and opening up the ability for community members to write mods for the Xbox is REALLY UNLIKELY to ever happen either. It just IS what it IS... and what it always has been.
I have also never said that it's just too hard to fix the bugs. Not everything reported as a bug is a bug. Bugs, by definition, are repeatable and have a definite source of the problem within the code. When a player misunderstands or merely doesn't like the game mechanics (as in several of the animal farming issues) - that's not a coding bug. Also, EVERY software company deliberately does not correct very minor bugs because correcting a bug always runs the risk of introducing an even worse bug. It's a policy decision made by them. Also, 4J must adhere (as much as possible) to a schedule for updates that Microsoft gives them. Many people reporting bugs seem to think that the bug should be fixed the next time they load the game. It just doesn't work that way on the Xbox. The list of reported bugs is gathered, prioritized and the ones deemed most important are tracked and fixed. The updates also alternate - one adds features and the next one fixes bugs. There has been one exception TU10 and TU11 were both bug fixes... only because TU9 had a couple of critical bugs that necessitated adding in a "quick fix" bug update. Also, I believe the release of the game on disc has also disrupted the TU schedule somewhat.
I don't think that DeathzDarkAngel said that you in particular that you said "it would be too hard to code.", or something about the bug fixes. I think he was just stating what others said about the subjects including ones I've brought up. I'm sure we all understand what you've stated that most of it is not possible such as the mods, and sure many Xbox users are aware of this, and has dealt with this. Bethesda has had many request for the same thing with their games, since they actually condone modding, and the creations of mods, since you're able to with the PC versions, and they give you the tools to do so.
I don't know though about 4J, they seem to have a hard time prioritizing their work with the game, or I'm just over thinking it, and jumping to conclusions. I personally didn't see the point of releasing the game on disc because of their sales figures of the XBLA title. I guess it's cool to reach out to those who don't who don't have Xbox Live, but I would have waited until they got Title update 12 out. I still find it kinda pointless as well since it would have costed money for them to print the disc, and the cases, and manuals for a small group who don't use Live, but I guess they have it covered when they release One Edition when the Xbox One is launched. Even then those disc users are screwed out of getting the updates until they get on live, and if they knew that the small group would be better off buying it off of Xbox Live, if they already didn't know.
I'm going to state real quick while I'm at it, I don't mean anything bad of the things I state, and I'm not trying to demean any company. I know I can be blunt sometimes, so don't take everything seriously I state haha.
I don't know though about 4J, they seem to have a hard time prioritizing their work with the game, or I'm just over thinking it, and jumping to conclusions. I personally didn't see the point of releasing the game on disc because of their sales figures of the XBLA title. I guess it's cool to reach out to those who don't who don't have Xbox Live, but I would have waited until they got Title update 12 out. I still find it kinda pointless as well since it would have costed money for them to print the disc, and the cases, and manuals for a small group who don't use Live, but I guess they have it covered when they release One Edition when the Xbox One is launched. Even then those disc users are screwed out of getting the updates until they get on live, and if they knew that the small group would be better off buying it off of Xbox Live, if they already didn't know.
I'm going to state real quick while I'm at it, I don't mean anything bad of the things I state, and I'm not trying to demean any company. I know I can be blunt sometimes, so don't take everything seriously I state haha.
What people tend to forget is that MCXbox is put out, not just by 4J, but a self-described "partnership" of Mojang, 4J and Microsoft (per what they stated themselves at Minecon). 4J seems to take all the criticism from the community for decisions that they may not have the power to actually have made on their own. For example, do we really know for sure that it was 4J who made the call to release the game on disc? or that 4J might have had the power to defer the release of the disc until after TU12?
What people tend to forget is that MCXbox is put out, not just by 4J, but a self-described "partnership" of Mojang, 4J and Microsoft (per what they stated themselves at Minecon). 4J seems to take all the criticism from the community for decisions that they may not have the power to actually have made on their own.
Microsoft being the publisher, Mojang because it's the company's game, and 4J because they're doing all he development on the 360, One now, they're even tweeting about them doing the coding for the 360. I also have a feeling the release of it on disc was ALL Microsoft's doing, and never stated it was 4J's at all. I only thought it was pointless regardless who did it.
Microsoft being the publisher, Mojang because it's the company's game, and 4J because they're doing all he development on the 360, One now, they're even tweeting about them doing the coding for the 360. I also have a feeling the release of it on disc was ALL Microsoft's doing, and never stated it was 4J's at all. I only thought it was pointless regardless who did it.
As creator of the game and the party most interested in keeping their unique stamp on it (as they themselves stated at Minecon 2012), Mojang most likely retains a lot of developmental control over 4J. This is also substantiated by the statements made by 4J awhile back about discussing taking the the game in their own direction with Mojang. It is evident that 4J do not have a lot of unilateral decision-making ability within this "partnership" if they have to seed permission from Mojang to add their own unique features into the game. In addition, Microsoft would not be able to just unilaterally publish the game on disc without Mojang's agreement to do so in some form to do so... so it's unlikely to be ALL Microsoft's doing. I don't think it was all that pointless if one considers the original direction Microsoft was thinking about taking the Xbox One and, consequently, games running through the LIVE network. The move to disc was perhaps a decision by MoJang in order to preserve some sharability of a "used" Xbox 360 version of the game if the stricter anti-sharing measures proposed by Microsoft for the Xbox One had of taken effect.
I bought the game on disc. I hadn't really paid much attention to it before that (and I'm not an XBLive customer) but when I saw it at GameStop, I took it home. I've been having a lot of fun with it. And, y'know, that's kind of the whole point of a game, isn't it? Having fun?
When TU12 finally comes out, and if it is only available to XBLive customers, I'll have a decision to make: whether to pay for a month on XBL to get the patch, whether to switch to the PC version, or whether to just keep on playing the game I bought. Yes, #3 there is a perfectly viable option: I bought it -- and I've been having fun with it -- for what it is, not for what it might be some day in the future.
Let me say that again: I bought Minecraft360 for what it is, not for what it might become in the future.
And, frankly, I think that anyone who buys a game, any game, because they hope it will become something other than what they took home in a bag (or downloaded off XBLA) is a fool. Seriously ... buying a game you don't actually want in the hope that it will someday become the game you do want? Wouldn't it make more sense to wait and see whether it becomes the game you actually want to buy before you spend the money, and play something else in the meantime? Either it's a game you want to play, in which case you should buy it, or it isn't, in which case you shouldn't. Buying it even though it isn't the game you want, and then trying to badger the developers into making it into the game you want, is a recipe for failure.
Sure, there are things I'd like to have. I want hoppers. But they weren't in the game I bought. I had to pick a version: the one without hoppers that I could play on my large-screen TV (and potentially split-screen), or the one with hoppers that I would have to play alone on the smaller screen on my PC. I decided to go for no hoppers and the large-screen game -- that is, the 360 version. I bought that game for the features it had, not for the features that I hoped it might get some day.
And, by the way, not adding new stuff to a game does not constitute "hate". It doesn't even constitute "mild dislike". Hate is the emotion that drives terrorism, wars of aggression, pogroms, or on an individual scale, workplace shootings, murder-suicides, and people trying to ruin their exes' lives. If not adding the game features you want when you want them constitutes "hate", then what word would you use for the all those other things? Seriously, if I was a Mojang or 4J developer, the title alone would put me off from reading this thread; it tells me the OP is more interested in having others validate a temper tantrum than actually proposing anything to improve the game.
I bought the game on disc. I hadn't really paid much attention to it before that (and I'm not an XBLive customer) but when I saw it at GameStop, I took it home. I've been having a lot of fun with it. And, y'know, that's kind of the whole point of a game, isn't it? Having fun?
When TU12 finally comes out, and if it is only available to XBLive customers, I'll have a decision to make: whether to pay for a month on XBL to get the patch, whether to switch to the PC version, or whether to just keep on playing the game I bought. Yes, #3 there is a perfectly viable option: I bought it -- and I've been having fun with it -- for what it is, not for what it might be some day in the future.
Let me say that again: I bought Minecraft360 for what it is, not for what it might become in the future.
You do know you don't need Xbox live gold to download updates... You can have a free silver account, and get all the updates you want, not to mention DLC. When you get gold the only thing you're paying for is, the ability to play online, and to use services such as Youtube, and Netflix, and the ability to be in Parties which is chatting with up to 7 other people. Also, if it's your first time getting on live you might get a free gold trial. Having a free silver account allows you to buy DLC, and get updates, and would be stupid if they only allowed Gold users to have such privileges.
Also, you seem to have taken this post to seriously about "hate"... Another thing, stating "I bought Minecraft360 for what it is, not for what it might become in the future.", Is kinda silly to say since the whole existence of Minecraft was about change, since technically the game was never finished, and still isn't. After all, 360 edition is just a few updates out of BETA. Sounds like you should have went with the PC version since it had more to offer like texture packs you won't have to pay for like XBL I'm sure.
Also, most games change drastically when they're updated, example Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition. After the balance updates it's a whole new game. So to call someone a "Fool", or think they are when they expect more from it in the future when they announce they're doing these updates is just silly. That was pretty much the whole selling point to Minecraft 360 edition for most people, the FREE updates. Before this lift on charging Developers to make, and send the updates to Microsoft to be up on XBL they were getting charged at least $10,000 per update, or even more with other developers is a good deal to get them free still. Just read about Tim Schafer's, and Phil Fish's little rant about it...
PS no one is "trying to badger the developers into making it into the game you want", since all they're doing is following Mojang's "recipe" when they made the updates on the PC just look for yourself.
You do know you don't need Xbox live gold to download updates... You can have a free silver account, and get all the updates you want, not to mention DLC. When you get gold the only thing you're paying for is, the ability to play online, and to use services such as Youtube, and Netflix, and the ability to be in Parties which is chatting with up to 7 other people. Also, if it's your first time getting on live you might get a free gold trial. Having a free silver account allows you to buy DLC, and get updates, and would be stupid if they only allowed Gold users to have such privileges.
Also, you seem to have taken this post to seriously about "hate"... Another thing, stating "I bought Minecraft360 for what it is, not for what it might become in the future.", Is kinda silly to say since the whole existence of Minecraft was about change, since technically the game was never finished, and still isn't. After all, 360 edition is just a few updates out of BETA. Sounds like you should have went with the PC version since it had more to offer like texture packs you won't have to pay for like XBL I'm sure.
Also, most games change drastically when they're updated, example Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition. After the balance updates it's a whole new game. So to call someone a "Fool", or think they are when they expect more from it in the future when they announce they're doing these updates is just silly. That was pretty much the whole selling point to Minecraft 360 edition for most people, the FREE updates. Before this lift on charging Developers to make, and send the updates to Microsoft to be up on XBL they were getting charged at least $10,000 per update, or even more with other developers is a good deal to get them free still. Just read about Tim Schafer's, and Phil Fish's little rant about it...
PS no one is "trying to badger the developers into making it into the game you want", since all they're doing is following Mojang's "recipe" when they made the updates on the PC just look for yourself.
TU 12 = PC v1.2
If you go to the Microsoft Live website, they have been doing some revamping and it has gotten increasingly more difficult to find information about getting a free silver account. I'm not sure if Microsoft is going to be maintaining that option after the Xbox One is released. I think they should have some sort of free account, but what it will involve remains to be seen.
I disagree with your assessment that "no one is badgering" since I've read a lot of posts that I would very much consider to be badgering... this one included. The OP is the one who opted to ask the question "Why do you hate us?"... it's not really the reader's problem if they take his post seriously. The people who want to turn the game into what they want are the mod developers that are just itching to put out a vast string of mods for the Xbox version and break down the closed source wall that Microsoft has on the Xbox. They are not following Mojang's in game features recipe, but their recipe for community software development. Mere players who have neither the abilities nor the desire to mod are just the pawns is this battle between these two game development philosophies. Personally, I hope that Microsoft holds out against open source development because I believe consumers should have a choice not to be bombarded with add ons and that regular developers should also have some choices to not see their creations morphed by others into something they never intended them to become... but time will tell on that front as well.
I bought the game on disc. I hadn't really paid much attention to it before that (and I'm not an XBLive customer) but when I saw it at GameStop, I took it home. I've been having a lot of fun with it. And, y'know, that's kind of the whole point of a game, isn't it? Having fun?
When TU12 finally comes out, and if it is only available to XBLive customers, I'll have a decision to make: whether to pay for a month on XBL to get the patch, whether to switch to the PC version, or whether to just keep on playing the game I bought. Yes, #3 there is a perfectly viable option: I bought it -- and I've been having fun with it -- for what it is, not for what it might be some day in the future.
Let me say that again: I bought Minecraft360 for what it is, not for what it might become in the future.
And, frankly, I think that anyone who buys a game, any game, because they hope it will become something other than what they took home in a bag (or downloaded off XBLA) is a fool. Seriously ... buying a game you don't actually want in the hope that it will someday become the game you do want? Wouldn't it make more sense to wait and see whether it becomes the game you actually want to buy before you spend the money, and play something else in the meantime? Either it's a game you want to play, in which case you should buy it, or it isn't, in which case you shouldn't. Buying it even though it isn't the game you want, and then trying to badger the developers into making it into the game you want, is a recipe for failure.
Sure, there are things I'd like to have. I want hoppers. But they weren't in the game I bought. I had to pick a version: the one without hoppers that I could play on my large-screen TV (and potentially split-screen), or the one with hoppers that I would have to play alone on the smaller screen on my PC. I decided to go for no hoppers and the large-screen game -- that is, the 360 version. I bought that game for the features it had, not for the features that I hoped it might get some day.
And, by the way, not adding new stuff to a game does not constitute "hate". It doesn't even constitute "mild dislike". Hate is the emotion that drives terrorism, wars of aggression, pogroms, or on an individual scale, workplace shootings, murder-suicides, and people trying to ruin their exes' lives. If not adding the game features you want when you want them constitutes "hate", then what word would you use for the all those other things? Seriously, if I was a Mojang or 4J developer, the title alone would put me off from reading this thread; it tells me the OP is more interested in having others validate a temper tantrum than actually proposing anything to improve the game.
Wow, I really must say that this thread really shows how some people are. Here you say there are things you would like to have in the game but you didn't buy the game because what it could become but what it is still you would like to have hoppers. And seriously if you were a Mojang or 4J developer you would be laughing right now as I'm sure they are especially at you. Why would you care about me wondering why they wouldn't listen to their fan base when here you are posting about not wanting the game the change...oh except the hopper thing yet to come up here and still try to say something about it. I clap for you....Boo this man....Booooooooooooo. LOL
If you go to the Microsoft Live website, they have been doing some revamping and it has gotten increasingly more difficult to find information about getting a free silver account. I'm not sure if Microsoft is going to be maintaining that option after the Xbox One is released. I think they should have some sort of free account, but what it will involve remains to be seen.
I disagree with your assessment that "no one is badgering" since I've read a lot of posts that I would very much consider to be badgering... this one included. The OP is the one who opted to ask the question "Why do you hate us?"... it's not really the reader's problem if they take his post seriously. The people who want to turn the game into what they want are the mod developers that are just itching to put out a vast string of mods for the Xbox version and break down the closed source wall that Microsoft has on the Xbox. They are not following Mojang's in game features recipe, but their recipe for community software development. Mere players who have neither the abilities nor the desire to mod are just the pawns is this battle between these two game development philosophies. Personally, I hope that Microsoft holds out against open source development because I believe consumers should have a choice not to be bombarded with add ons and that regular developers should also have some choices to not see their creations morphed by others into something they never intended them to become... but time will tell on that front as well.
I must say well put Up Up. They ask us what we would like to see in the game and to tell them. This title was really meant to draw in those and to see what was being said but has been strewn about and contorted I agree with being able to download updates or not to.
You do know you don't need Xbox live gold to download updates... You can have a free silver account, and get all the updates you want, not to mention DLC.
No, I don't know. See my previous post.
Since you and the following poster said a free option exists, despite what I was able to find from Microsoft, I went looking. I spent a long time fruitlessly looking. I finally found it via Google, since there seem to be approximately zero links to it (or references to it in any way) on the XBox website. Microsoft apparently wants people to believe, as I did, that they only offer one type of service, and that's paid.
Having a free silver account allows you to buy DLC, and get updates, and would be stupid if they only allowed Gold users to have such privileges.
Why should stupidity and Microsoft's (or any company's) decisions be mutually exclusive? Two words: "Microsoft Bob." Corporations are made up of people, and people can make stupid decisions.Consider Putt-Putt, their legal department, and the fact that innumerable Minecraft players are mercilessly mocking them for that clueless C&D letter.
Also, you seem to have taken this post to seriously about "hate"
I took it at face value. I should have assumed the poster was lying?
Another thing, stating "I bought Minecraft360 for what it is, not for what it might become in the future.", Is kinda silly to say since the whole existence of Minecraft was about change, since technically the game was never finished, and still isn't. After all, 360 edition is just a few updates out of BETA.
Yes, it might change. My point remains: I bought a game I figured (correctly, to the detriment of my free time) that I would enjoy playing. I didn't buy a game I wouldn't enjoy, but hoped might become a game I would enjoy some time in the future. What Minecraft is now is a game I find fun to play. If it was missing things I thought were necessary (to the point that I would think the developers "hated" their customers because they haven't yet incorporated those things) I wouldn't have bought it in the first place. Who buys half a game and hopes they'll get the other half some day?
Sounds like you should have went with the PC version since it had more to offer like texture packs you won't have to pay for like XBL I'm sure.
I considered the PC edition, not for texture packs, but for the greater variety of redstone devices available. However, in the balance, the Xbox option won out. I might get the PC version too some day, but the console version does more of what I want right now.
So to call someone a "Fool", or think they are when they expect more from it in the future when they announce they're doing these updates is just silly.
I didn't say anyone was a fool for expecting updates. I said someone who buys a game they don't actually want in the hope that it might someday become a game they do want is a fool. My exact quote: "And, frankly, I think that anyone who buys a game, any game, because they hope it will become something other than what they took home in a bag (or downloaded off XBLA) is a fool. Seriously ... buying a game you don't actually want in the hope that it will someday become the game you do want?"
Wow, I really must say that this thread really shows how some people are. Here you say there are things you would like to have in the game but you didn't buy the game because what it could become but what it is still you would like to have hoppers.
Yes, I would like to have hoppers. Jungles, too. And emeralds. But you missed my point completely: I didn't buy Minecraft because, despite not wanting to play it without those things, I hoped that some day in the future they'd add them, and then it would be a game I would finally enjoy. I bought it because the way it is right now is a game I enjoy. If they add more stuff in the future, including stuff I really want, that's great; I hope they do. But if they don't ... if Mojang decided tomorrow that their real future lay in writing database tools for Fortune 500 companies and the entire staff of 4J collectively decided to go sit on a mountain in Tibet and meditate for a couple of years ... it would still be the game I bought because II expected (correctly) that 'd enjoy it. I bought a version without any of that stuff because it was a game I wanted to play (I could have gotten the version with said stuff, but the console version had things in it that I wanted more than, say, hoppers.
And seriously if you were a Mojang or 4J developer you would be laughing right now as I'm sure they are especially at you. Why would you care about me wondering why they wouldn't listen to their fan base when here you are posting about not wanting the game the change...oh except the hopper thing yet to come up here and still try to say something about it.
Are you reading the same post I wrote?
I didn't say anything about not wanting the game to change. I said I bought a game I would enjoy right now, rather than a game I knew I wouldn't enjoy, but hoped I would enjoy in the future if the devs changed certain things about it. Sure it would be nice if they added the things I want. But I didn't buy it because they might; I bought it because I am having fun with what was in the box.
I clap for you....Boo this man....Booooooooooooo. LOL
And with this demonstration of your maturity, I know how much weight to give your posts.
I must say well put Up Up. They ask us what we would like to see in the game and to tell them. This title was really meant to draw in those and to see what was being said but has been strewn about and contorted I agree with being able to download updates or not to.
Wow, talk about misconstruing what a person writes. I don't support using "hate" in a title just to draw people in so you can ridicule them by booing them, etc. Also, I never said I supported being able to not download updates... updates and mods are two very different things. Because of how Live works, people have to download the updates to keep the online games working properly. So, if you refuse an update, Microsoft bumps you from Live. I think that's perfectly reasonable. If you don't want to play through Live and you don't want to live within Microsoft's rules, it's simple, don't play on the Xbox. You do have the option to play on the PC.
Alright I see that even trying to lighten the mood a little by adding some humor from a movie doesn't even matter. I didn't know that I was dealing with children rather than people that would rather have an intelligent conversation. And about misconstruing...that has been my whole thread so go cry else where when I don't justify your posts when it adds nothing to what I asked in mine. Good on you guys.
Alright I see that even trying to lighten the mood a little by adding some humor from a movie doesn't even matter. I didn't know that I was dealing with children rather than people that would rather have an intelligent conversation. And about misconstruing...that has been my whole thread so go cry else where when I don't justify your posts when it adds nothing to what I asked in mine. Good on you guys.
Now you're behaving somewhat butt hurt because I corrected an instance where you implied we were in agreement when I could plainly see that we were not in agreement... and then you slam me for allegedly not wanting to have an intelligent conversation? The poster you've booed also, it seems to me, wants to have an intelligent conversation; but has been unjustly slammed for saying something that he/she never said at all. What I said in the previous post is that I like to preserve people having the option. The PC version offers an option to play with mods and the Xbox offers an option to play with more controlled developer directed and added features that may eventually deviate from those offered by Mojang (because Mojang have been clearly moving towards focusing on making modding more and more what Minecraft is all about). If Mojang decides to stop adding in it's own designed features to the game and focus solely on developing a better and better modding API and since Microsoft is unlikely to move towards allowing free-lance modding on the Xbox, 4J pretty much have to pick up the ball and develop their own "stuff" for the Xbox edition... or the Xbox edition will likely just cease to be updated, period.
Your right Im butt hurt...I have the PC version so your right because you know everything right. As for your intelligent conversation I haven't used anything implying butt hurt but if a movie reference makes you butt hurt then you obviously are showing your mentality. Congrats. Why don't you pick the rest of what I have said apart as well such as "Us" in the title since you did the same with "hate" yet Im guessing you didn't read all the posts Ive done where I said it was just a way to get others attention so they would be interested and check it out.
I have read this thread in its entirety and I have a couple points I would like to discuss.
When MC was originally released on the PC there was a limited amount of blocks and things you could do. Even now the game is not finished. When they decided to introduce it for the XBox, a decision was made to follow the progression of the PC. Which it has been doing so at a rapid rate.
We are very lucky that we only had to pay the initial $20 for the game and are able to get all of these updates for free. Most every other game that adds new features has to release it as a DLC which cost additional money to the consumer.
Before you can walk you have to crawl.
If they were to add all of the recent features at once (new terrain, randomly generated structures, new mobs, new items, new game mode, new realms) , the bug list would make the game unplayable. Adding features in steps allows them to fix bugs as they come before adding new features.
Some people just like to complain and walk through life dissatisfied. Others appreciate what they have and enjoy life.
We live in the age of entitlement. People want things now because it's what they deserve.
Trolls troll while crying troll so they can troll.
If any of this upsets anybody, that's your own damn fault for being sensitive.
@deathdarkangel
I understand your aggressive concern for the uselessness of villagers so far but I can tell you that we will have them in the future. 4j doesn't hate you, it just takes a long time to recode everything to xbox. Really you have two options
-keep waiting
-code it yourself and send it in to 4j
I have never said that it would be too hard to code. However, the hardware on the Xbox is a absolute rock-hard ceiling on what can go into the game. You can code anything, but you probably also then have to remove something else so that the game does not exceed the limits of the hardware. If you exceed the abilities of the RAM and processors in the Xbox, the game freezes... everyone's game freezes, period. We ALL have to just deal with it.
On the PC, people have PCs of varying capabilities and also PCs can have pieces of their guts changed to improve their individual system's capabilities. So, if Minecraft PC starts to freeze their computer, they can add RAM or swap out a newer graphic card and they're good again. However, the Xbox isn't built that way. So, if you want, say, "infinite worlds" - how much of the rest of the game are you willing to give up so that those worlds can load on the Xbox without freezing up solid?
Everyone just asks for more... no one says what they might be willing to give up in order to incorporate those features.
Also, the other big demands involve mods. However, 4J are not responsible for the Xbox being closed source. That's Microsoft's ballyhook and I doubt any amount of demanding community written mods is going to break down Microsoft so that they allow it; and certainly crapping on forum members who have been stating that reality and or 4J isn't going to change that.
I'm a firm believer that people who really prefer to play the game on the PC should play it on the PC where they enjoy playing it. That's not a slam on them... people should play whatever games they enjoy on whatever system they enjoy playing them on. Games are meant to be enjoyed, period. The Xbox 360 isn't getting anymore powerful at any time down the road (although you will be soon able to buy an Xbox One and play the Xbox One Version of Minecraft on that system) and opening up the ability for community members to write mods for the Xbox is REALLY UNLIKELY to ever happen either. It just IS what it IS... and what it always has been.
I have also never said that it's just too hard to fix the bugs. Not everything reported as a bug is a bug. Bugs, by definition, are repeatable and have a definite source of the problem within the code. When a player misunderstands or merely doesn't like the game mechanics (as in several of the animal farming issues) - that's not a coding bug. Also, EVERY software company deliberately does not correct very minor bugs because correcting a bug always runs the risk of introducing an even worse bug. It's a policy decision made by them. Also, 4J must adhere (as much as possible) to a schedule for updates that Microsoft gives them. Many people reporting bugs seem to think that the bug should be fixed the next time they load the game. It just doesn't work that way on the Xbox. The list of reported bugs is gathered, prioritized and the ones deemed most important are tracked and fixed. The updates also alternate - one adds features and the next one fixes bugs. There has been one exception TU10 and TU11 were both bug fixes... only because TU9 had a couple of critical bugs that necessitated adding in a "quick fix" bug update. Also, I believe the release of the game on disc has also disrupted the TU schedule somewhat.
I don't think that DeathzDarkAngel said that you in particular that you said "it would be too hard to code.", or something about the bug fixes. I think he was just stating what others said about the subjects including ones I've brought up. I'm sure we all understand what you've stated that most of it is not possible such as the mods, and sure many Xbox users are aware of this, and has dealt with this. Bethesda has had many request for the same thing with their games, since they actually condone modding, and the creations of mods, since you're able to with the PC versions, and they give you the tools to do so.
I don't know though about 4J, they seem to have a hard time prioritizing their work with the game, or I'm just over thinking it, and jumping to conclusions. I personally didn't see the point of releasing the game on disc because of their sales figures of the XBLA title. I guess it's cool to reach out to those who don't who don't have Xbox Live, but I would have waited until they got Title update 12 out. I still find it kinda pointless as well since it would have costed money for them to print the disc, and the cases, and manuals for a small group who don't use Live, but I guess they have it covered when they release One Edition when the Xbox One is launched. Even then those disc users are screwed out of getting the updates until they get on live, and if they knew that the small group would be better off buying it off of Xbox Live, if they already didn't know.
I'm going to state real quick while I'm at it, I don't mean anything bad of the things I state, and I'm not trying to demean any company. I know I can be blunt sometimes, so don't take everything seriously I state haha.
What people tend to forget is that MCXbox is put out, not just by 4J, but a self-described "partnership" of Mojang, 4J and Microsoft (per what they stated themselves at Minecon). 4J seems to take all the criticism from the community for decisions that they may not have the power to actually have made on their own. For example, do we really know for sure that it was 4J who made the call to release the game on disc? or that 4J might have had the power to defer the release of the disc until after TU12?
Microsoft being the publisher, Mojang because it's the company's game, and 4J because they're doing all he development on the 360, One now, they're even tweeting about them doing the coding for the 360. I also have a feeling the release of it on disc was ALL Microsoft's doing, and never stated it was 4J's at all. I only thought it was pointless regardless who did it.
As creator of the game and the party most interested in keeping their unique stamp on it (as they themselves stated at Minecon 2012), Mojang most likely retains a lot of developmental control over 4J. This is also substantiated by the statements made by 4J awhile back about discussing taking the the game in their own direction with Mojang. It is evident that 4J do not have a lot of unilateral decision-making ability within this "partnership" if they have to seed permission from Mojang to add their own unique features into the game. In addition, Microsoft would not be able to just unilaterally publish the game on disc without Mojang's agreement to do so in some form to do so... so it's unlikely to be ALL Microsoft's doing. I don't think it was all that pointless if one considers the original direction Microsoft was thinking about taking the Xbox One and, consequently, games running through the LIVE network. The move to disc was perhaps a decision by MoJang in order to preserve some sharability of a "used" Xbox 360 version of the game if the stricter anti-sharing measures proposed by Microsoft for the Xbox One had of taken effect.
When TU12 finally comes out, and if it is only available to XBLive customers, I'll have a decision to make: whether to pay for a month on XBL to get the patch, whether to switch to the PC version, or whether to just keep on playing the game I bought. Yes, #3 there is a perfectly viable option: I bought it -- and I've been having fun with it -- for what it is, not for what it might be some day in the future.
Let me say that again: I bought Minecraft360 for what it is, not for what it might become in the future.
And, frankly, I think that anyone who buys a game, any game, because they hope it will become something other than what they took home in a bag (or downloaded off XBLA) is a fool. Seriously ... buying a game you don't actually want in the hope that it will someday become the game you do want? Wouldn't it make more sense to wait and see whether it becomes the game you actually want to buy before you spend the money, and play something else in the meantime? Either it's a game you want to play, in which case you should buy it, or it isn't, in which case you shouldn't. Buying it even though it isn't the game you want, and then trying to badger the developers into making it into the game you want, is a recipe for failure.
Sure, there are things I'd like to have. I want hoppers. But they weren't in the game I bought. I had to pick a version: the one without hoppers that I could play on my large-screen TV (and potentially split-screen), or the one with hoppers that I would have to play alone on the smaller screen on my PC. I decided to go for no hoppers and the large-screen game -- that is, the 360 version. I bought that game for the features it had, not for the features that I hoped it might get some day.
And, by the way, not adding new stuff to a game does not constitute "hate". It doesn't even constitute "mild dislike". Hate is the emotion that drives terrorism, wars of aggression, pogroms, or on an individual scale, workplace shootings, murder-suicides, and people trying to ruin their exes' lives. If not adding the game features you want when you want them constitutes "hate", then what word would you use for the all those other things? Seriously, if I was a Mojang or 4J developer, the title alone would put me off from reading this thread; it tells me the OP is more interested in having others validate a temper tantrum than actually proposing anything to improve the game.
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You do know you don't need Xbox live gold to download updates... You can have a free silver account, and get all the updates you want, not to mention DLC. When you get gold the only thing you're paying for is, the ability to play online, and to use services such as Youtube, and Netflix, and the ability to be in Parties which is chatting with up to 7 other people. Also, if it's your first time getting on live you might get a free gold trial. Having a free silver account allows you to buy DLC, and get updates, and would be stupid if they only allowed Gold users to have such privileges.
Also, you seem to have taken this post to seriously about "hate"... Another thing, stating "I bought Minecraft360 for what it is, not for what it might become in the future.", Is kinda silly to say since the whole existence of Minecraft was about change, since technically the game was never finished, and still isn't. After all, 360 edition is just a few updates out of BETA. Sounds like you should have went with the PC version since it had more to offer like texture packs you won't have to pay for like XBL I'm sure.
Also, most games change drastically when they're updated, example Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition. After the balance updates it's a whole new game. So to call someone a "Fool", or think they are when they expect more from it in the future when they announce they're doing these updates is just silly. That was pretty much the whole selling point to Minecraft 360 edition for most people, the FREE updates. Before this lift on charging Developers to make, and send the updates to Microsoft to be up on XBL they were getting charged at least $10,000 per update, or even more with other developers is a good deal to get them free still. Just read about Tim Schafer's, and Phil Fish's little rant about it...
PS no one is "trying to badger the developers into making it into the game you want", since all they're doing is following Mojang's "recipe" when they made the updates on the PC just look for yourself.
TU 12 = PC v1.2
If you go to the Microsoft Live website, they have been doing some revamping and it has gotten increasingly more difficult to find information about getting a free silver account. I'm not sure if Microsoft is going to be maintaining that option after the Xbox One is released. I think they should have some sort of free account, but what it will involve remains to be seen.
I disagree with your assessment that "no one is badgering" since I've read a lot of posts that I would very much consider to be badgering... this one included. The OP is the one who opted to ask the question "Why do you hate us?"... it's not really the reader's problem if they take his post seriously. The people who want to turn the game into what they want are the mod developers that are just itching to put out a vast string of mods for the Xbox version and break down the closed source wall that Microsoft has on the Xbox. They are not following Mojang's in game features recipe, but their recipe for community software development. Mere players who have neither the abilities nor the desire to mod are just the pawns is this battle between these two game development philosophies. Personally, I hope that Microsoft holds out against open source development because I believe consumers should have a choice not to be bombarded with add ons and that regular developers should also have some choices to not see their creations morphed by others into something they never intended them to become... but time will tell on that front as well.
Wow, I really must say that this thread really shows how some people are. Here you say there are things you would like to have in the game but you didn't buy the game because what it could become but what it is still you would like to have hoppers. And seriously if you were a Mojang or 4J developer you would be laughing right now as I'm sure they are especially at you. Why would you care about me wondering why they wouldn't listen to their fan base when here you are posting about not wanting the game the change...oh except the hopper thing yet to come up here and still try to say something about it. I clap for you....Boo this man....Booooooooooooo. LOL
I must say well put Up Up. They ask us what we would like to see in the game and to tell them. This title was really meant to draw in those and to see what was being said but has been strewn about and contorted I agree with being able to download updates or not to.
No, I don't know. See my previous post.
Since you and the following poster said a free option exists, despite what I was able to find from Microsoft, I went looking. I spent a long time fruitlessly looking. I finally found it via Google, since there seem to be approximately zero links to it (or references to it in any way) on the XBox website. Microsoft apparently wants people to believe, as I did, that they only offer one type of service, and that's paid.
Why should stupidity and Microsoft's (or any company's) decisions be mutually exclusive? Two words: "Microsoft Bob." Corporations are made up of people, and people can make stupid decisions.Consider Putt-Putt, their legal department, and the fact that innumerable Minecraft players are mercilessly mocking them for that clueless C&D letter.
I took it at face value. I should have assumed the poster was lying?
Yes, it might change. My point remains: I bought a game I figured (correctly, to the detriment of my free time) that I would enjoy playing. I didn't buy a game I wouldn't enjoy, but hoped might become a game I would enjoy some time in the future. What Minecraft is now is a game I find fun to play. If it was missing things I thought were necessary (to the point that I would think the developers "hated" their customers because they haven't yet incorporated those things) I wouldn't have bought it in the first place. Who buys half a game and hopes they'll get the other half some day?
I considered the PC edition, not for texture packs, but for the greater variety of redstone devices available. However, in the balance, the Xbox option won out. I might get the PC version too some day, but the console version does more of what I want right now.
I didn't say anyone was a fool for expecting updates. I said someone who buys a game they don't actually want in the hope that it might someday become a game they do want is a fool. My exact quote: "And, frankly, I think that anyone who buys a game, any game, because they hope it will become something other than what they took home in a bag (or downloaded off XBLA) is a fool. Seriously ... buying a game you don't actually want in the hope that it will someday become the game you do want?"
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Yes, I would like to have hoppers. Jungles, too. And emeralds. But you missed my point completely: I didn't buy Minecraft because, despite not wanting to play it without those things, I hoped that some day in the future they'd add them, and then it would be a game I would finally enjoy. I bought it because the way it is right now is a game I enjoy. If they add more stuff in the future, including stuff I really want, that's great; I hope they do. But if they don't ... if Mojang decided tomorrow that their real future lay in writing database tools for Fortune 500 companies and the entire staff of 4J collectively decided to go sit on a mountain in Tibet and meditate for a couple of years ... it would still be the game I bought because II expected (correctly) that 'd enjoy it. I bought a version without any of that stuff because it was a game I wanted to play (I could have gotten the version with said stuff, but the console version had things in it that I wanted more than, say, hoppers.
Are you reading the same post I wrote?
I didn't say anything about not wanting the game to change. I said I bought a game I would enjoy right now, rather than a game I knew I wouldn't enjoy, but hoped I would enjoy in the future if the devs changed certain things about it. Sure it would be nice if they added the things I want. But I didn't buy it because they might; I bought it because I am having fun with what was in the box.
And with this demonstration of your maturity, I know how much weight to give your posts.
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Wow, talk about misconstruing what a person writes. I don't support using "hate" in a title just to draw people in so you can ridicule them by booing them, etc. Also, I never said I supported being able to not download updates... updates and mods are two very different things. Because of how Live works, people have to download the updates to keep the online games working properly. So, if you refuse an update, Microsoft bumps you from Live. I think that's perfectly reasonable. If you don't want to play through Live and you don't want to live within Microsoft's rules, it's simple, don't play on the Xbox. You do have the option to play on the PC.
Now you're behaving somewhat butt hurt because I corrected an instance where you implied we were in agreement when I could plainly see that we were not in agreement... and then you slam me for allegedly not wanting to have an intelligent conversation? The poster you've booed also, it seems to me, wants to have an intelligent conversation; but has been unjustly slammed for saying something that he/she never said at all. What I said in the previous post is that I like to preserve people having the option. The PC version offers an option to play with mods and the Xbox offers an option to play with more controlled developer directed and added features that may eventually deviate from those offered by Mojang (because Mojang have been clearly moving towards focusing on making modding more and more what Minecraft is all about). If Mojang decides to stop adding in it's own designed features to the game and focus solely on developing a better and better modding API and since Microsoft is unlikely to move towards allowing free-lance modding on the Xbox, 4J pretty much have to pick up the ball and develop their own "stuff" for the Xbox edition... or the Xbox edition will likely just cease to be updated, period.
When MC was originally released on the PC there was a limited amount of blocks and things you could do. Even now the game is not finished. When they decided to introduce it for the XBox, a decision was made to follow the progression of the PC. Which it has been doing so at a rapid rate.
We are very lucky that we only had to pay the initial $20 for the game and are able to get all of these updates for free. Most every other game that adds new features has to release it as a DLC which cost additional money to the consumer.
Before you can walk you have to crawl.
If they were to add all of the recent features at once (new terrain, randomly generated structures, new mobs, new items, new game mode, new realms) , the bug list would make the game unplayable. Adding features in steps allows them to fix bugs as they come before adding new features.
Some people just like to complain and walk through life dissatisfied. Others appreciate what they have and enjoy life.
We live in the age of entitlement. People want things now because it's what they deserve.
Trolls troll while crying troll so they can troll.
If any of this upsets anybody, that's your own damn fault for being sensitive.
I understand your aggressive concern for the uselessness of villagers so far but I can tell you that we will have them in the future. 4j doesn't hate you, it just takes a long time to recode everything to xbox. Really you have two options
-keep waiting
-code it yourself and send it in to 4j