My current host is running their servers with Intel Xeon 3 series E3-1240v2 and I'm wondering is a Dual Intel Xeon E5-2687W CPU is better at a competitor I found? If so then good if not, what's CPUs would I need to actually bulk on like 20-30 players on 1.6.4 Forge mods without the CPU going crazy?
An E3-1240v2 should be more than enough. Most likely it's one of these few issues:
1: Overselling their hardware. They've likely bought a 32 GB machine and just kept selling off of it hoping that most clients won't use up most of their memory.
2: Host has a bad network. Your host could be using 100 MBPS Uplinks which still work amazing since Minecraft generally will not use 50+ on a fair amount of players.
3: It's just you. Your connection could maybe just be bad. Make sure to check how fast your internet speed is at http://speedtest.net/ just to ensure it's not you. Please don't go off and say "No, it's fast" just because of past experiences. It can slow down after periods of time. I guarantee it.
The only thing that E5 would allow is more Minecraft servers per node which would stress the CPU even more. Any E3-1230 processor and above should easily be able to handle what you're throwing at it. That E5 model is no faster than the E3-1240v2 and the higher amount of threads won't help you out here.
The E5 has more cores and threads than the E3 and also a bigger cache, but I don't personally see how the E3 can't handle forge unless your provider are overselling quite badly!
Alright so much for them saying "we never oversell our hardware" claims they make on the order form..
If they're not overloading their node it could be an issue with your servers setup itself or an abusive customer on the node. You shouldn't have any issues like that.
That is incorrect, simple as that. Of course things such as web-based services would run better on E5 systems, however E5's can be very good and run efficiently with games, of course not being Minecraft completely. There's a few very large Minecraft hosts that use only E5 servers and they have no problems at all.
If you haven't tried it yourself, don't comment on it.
Oh really? Nowhere in my post did I mention 'web-based' services. Web Servers are multi-threaded, of course they'd run better on E5.
However, in my comeback to you, sir, the E3's have better single-threaded performance in all cases. 95% of game servers that companies host WILL run better on the higher clock rates and better single-thread performance that the E3 series has always offered. I never said that E5's are bad - I just said E3's are better in most cases.
It doesn't at all help that many companies who run Dual E5 setups are known oversellers.
You're not going to notice much difference unless you're loading much larger servers onto it. E5's also work great with Bungee cord servers as it supports it.
Both are great systems for Minecraft hosting, heck we had some E56xx's that did great up to 80 players in the past, however going past that is when you really want to look at a E3 system as it's higher core supports that better.
When you have a dual E5 system with a good amount of ram and four large SSD's in raid 10 it works out rather good for hosting even more so in remote places that you don't have the option to load up multiple E3 servers in.
We mostly host our Netherlands location on those and only use the odd E3 system for larger orders that need the huge cpu power.
alright I think I should just go away from shared hosting. I know of a company that host individual servers for every client so you can use the entire CPU without the nasty price tags oversold Dedicated servers are priced at.
alright I think I should just go away from shared hosting. I know of a company that host individual servers for every client so you can use the entire CPU without the nasty price tags oversold Dedicated servers are priced at.
for real?
Not sure what you mean. If they host individual servers for every client than it's a Dedicated Server (b/c it's Dedicated to you).
If you mean a VPS than you might have access to the whole CPU but so will everyone else. (Depending on how it's setup, many VPS providers limit clients to 1 core)
You didn't state "web-based services", I did as an example of things that of course do run better on E5's. Of course E3's are better in 95% of game hosting situations, I was simply correcting you where you said that they are, quote, "always" better. McProHosting I believe uses E5 systems and they don't have any problems nor do they oversell.
Thank you, "sir".
Frankly, "they don't have any problems" is dead wrong for any company. Somebody somewhere is going to have issues with their TPS or RAM usage or Networking or the host somehow losing their files. As a competing hosting company, I wouldn't dare say McProHosting is bad by any means, and I personally have never experienced any notable major issues using their services. (Because, yes, I have ordered from many of the companies in the main hosting section in the past.) - However, myself and many other hosts believe that the E3's are an all-around better choice in any case.
I think I just need to look for VPS any one willing to get me a managed one for about 10 bucks a GB with only about 1 or 2 dedicated cores?
I can certainly do that. However, a control panel is not included. You will have to learn how to manage your server via command line or purchase your own panel license.
No thanks, I'd just want a control panel so I can get playing in just minutes instead of learning how to do that stuffs. Anyone else that can meet my requirements? Oh yea forgot the thing need to be running on a SSD as well.
L5520's are nearly five years old, and will be approaching their "End of Life" status this winter. That is the reason all the datacenters are dumping them, and why you can rent them much cheaper than you can an E3 or E5. I would be willing to bet any amount of money that you're running 72GB of RAM on them. So, not only are your L5520's equal to or slightly worse than the new Ivy Bridge E3's, you're running over twice the amount of servers on them.
I am surprised that I am having to tell you, a hosting company owner/rep, this information.
L5520's are nearly five years old, and will be approaching their "End of Life" status this winter. That is the reason all the datacenters are dumping them, and why you can rent them much cheaper than you can an E3 or E5.
I think I just need to look for VPS any one willing to get me a managed one for about 10 bucks a GB with only about 1 or 2 dedicated cores?
We can do this aswell. But as with Chromobyte you would have to install the Control Panel yourself and purchase 1 license from us ($.65/server for Multicraft)
1: Overselling their hardware. They've likely bought a 32 GB machine and just kept selling off of it hoping that most clients won't use up most of their memory.
2: Host has a bad network. Your host could be using 100 MBPS Uplinks which still work amazing since Minecraft generally will not use 50+ on a fair amount of players.
3: It's just you. Your connection could maybe just be bad. Make sure to check how fast your internet speed is at http://speedtest.net/ just to ensure it's not you. Please don't go off and say "No, it's fast" just because of past experiences. It can slow down after periods of time. I guarantee it.
Hope this helps!
Alright so much for them saying "we never oversell our hardware" claims they make on the order form..
It's not possible to have any more than one E3 processor per server.
I am a representative of:
Minecraftserver.net - The Original Minecraft Hosting Company
SIX Global Locations, Company Owned Hardware, SSD, Amazing Support, Tekkit, Bukkit, Custom Jar Access
Oh really? Nowhere in my post did I mention 'web-based' services. Web Servers are multi-threaded, of course they'd run better on E5.
However, in my comeback to you, sir, the E3's have better single-threaded performance in all cases. 95% of game servers that companies host WILL run better on the higher clock rates and better single-thread performance that the E3 series has always offered. I never said that E5's are bad - I just said E3's are better in most cases.
It doesn't at all help that many companies who run Dual E5 setups are known oversellers.
Both are great systems for Minecraft hosting, heck we had some E56xx's that did great up to 80 players in the past, however going past that is when you really want to look at a E3 system as it's higher core supports that better.
When you have a dual E5 system with a good amount of ram and four large SSD's in raid 10 it works out rather good for hosting even more so in remote places that you don't have the option to load up multiple E3 servers in.
We mostly host our Netherlands location on those and only use the odd E3 system for larger orders that need the huge cpu power.
I am a representative of:
Minecraftserver.net - The Original Minecraft Hosting Company
SIX Global Locations, Company Owned Hardware, SSD, Amazing Support, Tekkit, Bukkit, Custom Jar Access
for real?
Not sure what you mean. If they host individual servers for every client than it's a Dedicated Server (b/c it's Dedicated to you).
If you mean a VPS than you might have access to the whole CPU but so will everyone else. (Depending on how it's setup, many VPS providers limit clients to 1 core)
Frankly, "they don't have any problems" is dead wrong for any company. Somebody somewhere is going to have issues with their TPS or RAM usage or Networking or the host somehow losing their files. As a competing hosting company, I wouldn't dare say McProHosting is bad by any means, and I personally have never experienced any notable major issues using their services. (Because, yes, I have ordered from many of the companies in the main hosting section in the past.) - However, myself and many other hosts believe that the E3's are an all-around better choice in any case.
I can certainly do that. However, a control panel is not included. You will have to learn how to manage your server via command line or purchase your own panel license.
No.
L5520's are nearly five years old, and will be approaching their "End of Life" status this winter. That is the reason all the datacenters are dumping them, and why you can rent them much cheaper than you can an E3 or E5. I would be willing to bet any amount of money that you're running 72GB of RAM on them. So, not only are your L5520's equal to or slightly worse than the new Ivy Bridge E3's, you're running over twice the amount of servers on them.
I am surprised that I am having to tell you, a hosting company owner/rep, this information.
We can do this aswell. But as with Chromobyte you would have to install the Control Panel yourself and purchase 1 license from us ($.65/server for Multicraft)