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Okay so i am planning on making a kinda hunger games server. But i don't really have a OP laptop to host it. And i don't wanna pay does monthly costs. So i thought, "why not buy one of those server hosting machines?" and is it really that simple? Also please if you can how can i host it with a server rack? Steps please
The product you are planning to get is a NAS, meaning it's optimized for storage and NOT server hosting. Even if you were able to get a server started on it, it would have extreme amounts of lag due to the weak processor and little amount of RAM. To be honest, your laptop would probably run the server faster and easier than the NAS you want to buy.
I personally would recommend getting your server hosted by a host like us, as we only charge $4/GB. If you want a proper server hosted, you would need to invest around $500-$1000 per node, then spend an additional $50-$100+/month to get that server colocated (Hosted in a datacenter). You would probably not want to host your server at home, because you'll be faced with a slow connection and multiple DDoS attacks from angry players.
Hosting a server on a dedicated machine isn't that simple either - you need to either be pretty familiar with Linux (free), or you can run Windows Server (Costs some money too). If you decide to run Linux, you would need to know how to navigate around it, or install Multicraft (Usually paid).
From my perspective, going with a budget host would not only be cheaper right now, but would also be cheaper in the long run.
Okay so i am planning on making a kinda hunger games server. But i don't really have a OP laptop to host it. And i don't wanna pay does monthly costs. So i thought, "why not buy one of those server hosting machines?" and is it really that simple? Also please if you can how can i host it with a server rack? Steps please
First off, as Extronium said that's not a server that's just a NAS. Secondly, that's not a rack. A rack is just a big metal box in which you can mount your equipment. It has no bearing on performance and is most certainly not required to run a server. This is the rack I have:
You do not need that to host a server. For a Minecraft server, just get a decent workstation. Doesn't need any video power, just a nice amount of RAM and a decent CPU. You don't need Windows server software, you can use regular workstation versions unless you intend to buy a stupidly large amount of RAM.
What will probably screw you is internet connection. If you don't have a decent upstream speed, people won't want to play on your server due to the lag. Most consumer internet connections have crap upstream and their policies may prohibit running servers as well. Depends on your ISP.
Memory Memory Memory. unless your hosting 5 to 10 players don't even think of anything with less than 8gb of ram. I host my own multiworld server with 6 ips running 32gb of ram. I can peak at maybe 170 players before i develop lag issues. Another major factor will be your isp. if your getting 15 down but 1 or 2 up your screwed. If you want to do it yourself and home try and get business class internet. I have on avg 78 down and 22 up. figure 75 to 150mb of ram per player when you calculate on how much ram you will need.
I bought an empty Dell 4210 42U rack for $500 several years ago. I had a lot of servers so I figured it was time to get away from the ghetto stack o' boxes in my basement that I had and go rack mount, lol. The server rack is cheap. The real cost comes in populating the rack. Mine is for home use so it's nothing enterprise caliber. A 3U APC SmartUPS 2200, 4U Chenbro based home built file server, 2U HP game server, 2U HP firewall, 1U Dell infrastructure server, 1U Dell server for network management, 17" touch screen LCD driven by the Dell management box, 2U KVM that was later swapped for a 1U IP KVM, 1U console, 1U 24 port gig switch, 2U patch panel, old 4U HP 8000 80 port switch (pretty much just there to fill space, lol), a filler and a drawer module. All totaled with rack chassis I spent about about $13,000. I need to buy another touch screen though, the LCD died grrr.
i had one like yours myself as well, however it was all self-built (xcase rack cases, pfsense firewalls / bgp routers and a couple of cisco switches), ups was on the data center infrastructure so didn't need that myself. Costs was just like 9 grand but that's because I ran most of my things on desktop boards (i7-2600), worked pefectly for 3 straight years
Okay so i am planning on making a kinda hunger games server. But i don't really have a OP laptop to host it. And i don't wanna pay does monthly costs. So i thought, "why not buy one of those server hosting machines?" and is it really that simple? Also please if you can how can i host it with a server rack? Steps please
Heya! You don't really need the whole rack and everything to host a hunger games server, though props to Strahan202 and IonicHost with their amazing setups.
I don't really know why Strahan has a rack and stuff, and the reason why I have a rack at home is because I do a lot of testing and experimentation with software and whatnot and need a good platform to do that from. There's pretty much no reason for anyone to have servers with 48GB RAM in their house unless they do some pretty extreme work with computers.
For a minecraft server, you could probably run just fine on a regular desktop computer with 4 to 8 gigs of ram, or if you really wanted, you could buy up a old server machine to run from, though server machines can be loud due to fan noise and they also suck up a lot of power. If you'd like a couple suggestions, a "Dell Poweredge 2950" can be had for pretty cheap and can run some pretty nice specs for your money. I have a couple of those hanging around at home too. And even if you get one of those fancy 'rack servers', you don't need to get a rack for them. The rack is only a way to mount several servers all in the same place and to organize cables and so forth. It wouldn't make sense to buy a rack for only one server.
The reason why hosting companies like "Low End Xeon" or any other host have multiple racks of highly expensive equipment is because they need to run dozens of minecraft servers on each server machine. A host may need 24 Cores with 196GB RAM so they can host many minecraft servers on the same computer.
You only need to run the one minecraft server, so any modern processor(Even a Core2Duo) and 4-8GB of ram would run your hunger games server quite happily.
You say you don't want to pay those monthly costs, but if you run your own server in your own house, you'll be paying for it in other ways. Keeping that computer plugged in all the time will raise your power bill quite a bit (Mine did when I started keeping some servers in my house), and it'll take a chunk out of your internet speed whenever people are on your server.
Those monthly costs you would pay a hosting company go to renting a bit of the expensive, high-powered computer equipment that they run. Those monthly costs go to paying the power used and for the space you use on their computers. Those costs might even be less than what it would cost you to run it in your home.
If you have any specific questions or whatnot, feel free to reply or PM me on here if you like.
My bad boys, cost hundred's to thousands. If you have the money, have fun and get a few
I only run E3's/D's, E5's and Atom's. Running SuperMicro hardware.
That's pretty expensive for empty enclosures lol. Just joking, I saw your other pic above, just funny you chose to use the one of empty racks for this post heh. Speaking of cost, out of curiosity, what exactly are you running that is hundreds of thousands of dollars? SuperMicro hardware is cheap. I don't mean inferior, I just mean economically low cost. I'm an engineer in the IT department of a major metropolitan government. Hundreds of thousands is what we spend on our equipment, and that's to run a city. Curious as to what a Minecraft provider is running to spend that much.
Heya! You don't really need the whole rack and everything to host a hunger games server, though props to Strahan202 and IonicHost with their amazing setups.
I don't really know why Strahan has a rack and stuff, and the reason why I have a rack at home is because I do a lot of testing and experimentation with software and whatnot and need a good platform to do that from. There's pretty much no reason for anyone to have servers with 48GB RAM in their house unless they do some pretty extreme work with computers.
Definitely. You don't even need a "server" in the traditional sense, many people just run their MC servers from workstations. You said you don't want to spend money, but honestly you're better off buying hosting from a provider. Your home connection will be hosed if you get DDoS'd. I always laughed at people who warned of that, then I offered server space to a guy who wanted no cost hosting. He advertised it and got a bunch of people visiting.. apparently, he also got jerks visiting because within a week of starting we got DDoS'd. Crippled my internet, so I had to close his server. A professional host has protection against that kinda thing. The money you'd spend buying a server would be better put toward a real host.
Oh, and I have that gear just because I'm into anime I found an FTP provider that offered anime and I was afraid the service would vanish one day so I wanted to download everything they had. My existing file server was woefully undersized for that (at the time, the service had ~12 TB of content, and this was back in 2007 when a terabyte wasn't too cheap) so I spec'd out a nice new file server. I wanted 16 hot swap bays and when you get to that many you're pretty much going to only be looking at rack mount. I had a few desktop machines repurposed as servers for some in house stuff (LAN infrastructure box (ADDC/DNS/DHCP/DFS), a web server and my "first gen" file server) so I figured I'd go ahead and buy new rack versions of those to make the rack worthwhile lol. Then that also prompted me to buy rack network gear, then I needed a rack UPS, it just kinda snowballed haha. Saved me a lot of space though and got rid of the rats nest of cables. I had wired my house for ethernet and putting the rack in also motivated me to get conduit and do a proper endpoint for all the wiring.
Okay so i am planning on making a kinda hunger games server. But i don't really have a OP laptop to host it. And i don't wanna pay does monthly costs. So i thought, "why not buy one of those server hosting machines?" and is it really that simple? Also please if you can how can i host it with a server rack? Steps please
Also this is the one i was planning to get: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KXQD7WY/ref=s9_psimh_gw_p147_d0_i2?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=desktop-1&pf_rd_r=1YDQKKP319JYJFXKMEF4&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=2079475242&pf_rd_i=desktop
Hello,
The product you are planning to get is a NAS, meaning it's optimized for storage and NOT server hosting. Even if you were able to get a server started on it, it would have extreme amounts of lag due to the weak processor and little amount of RAM. To be honest, your laptop would probably run the server faster and easier than the NAS you want to buy.
I personally would recommend getting your server hosted by a host like us, as we only charge $4/GB. If you want a proper server hosted, you would need to invest around $500-$1000 per node, then spend an additional $50-$100+/month to get that server colocated (Hosted in a datacenter). You would probably not want to host your server at home, because you'll be faced with a slow connection and multiple DDoS attacks from angry players.
Hosting a server on a dedicated machine isn't that simple either - you need to either be pretty familiar with Linux (free), or you can run Windows Server (Costs some money too). If you decide to run Linux, you would need to know how to navigate around it, or install Multicraft (Usually paid).
From my perspective, going with a budget host would not only be cheaper right now, but would also be cheaper in the long run.
Kind Regards,
James
First off, as Extronium said that's not a server that's just a NAS. Secondly, that's not a rack. A rack is just a big metal box in which you can mount your equipment. It has no bearing on performance and is most certainly not required to run a server. This is the rack I have:
You do not need that to host a server. For a Minecraft server, just get a decent workstation. Doesn't need any video power, just a nice amount of RAM and a decent CPU. You don't need Windows server software, you can use regular workstation versions unless you intend to buy a stupidly large amount of RAM.
What will probably screw you is internet connection. If you don't have a decent upstream speed, people won't want to play on your server due to the lag. Most consumer internet connections have crap upstream and their policies may prohibit running servers as well. Depends on your ISP.
Is this a server hosting machine?
Dell PowerEdge T20 Mini-tower Server System / Intel Pentium G3220 3.0GHz, 3M Cache, Dual Core (65W) / 4GB Memory / No Hard Drive / No Optical Drive / No Operating System https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IU0R23K/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_pomFvbYEDQP7D
Also is 30megabytes fast enough internet?
Well that's definately not a powerful piece of equiptment haha. Very low powered. Quality equiptment will cost you thousands, not $200.
Can you show me a cheap but good server hosting machine.
What model is that hosting rack?
Memory Memory Memory. unless your hosting 5 to 10 players don't even think of anything with less than 8gb of ram. I host my own multiworld server with 6 ips running 32gb of ram. I can peak at maybe 170 players before i develop lag issues. Another major factor will be your isp. if your getting 15 down but 1 or 2 up your screwed. If you want to do it yourself and home try and get business class internet. I have on avg 78 down and 22 up. figure 75 to 150mb of ram per player when you calculate on how much ram you will need.
How much is a good sever rack?
I bought an empty Dell 4210 42U rack for $500 several years ago. I had a lot of servers so I figured it was time to get away from the ghetto stack o' boxes in my basement that I had and go rack mount, lol. The server rack is cheap. The real cost comes in populating the rack. Mine is for home use so it's nothing enterprise caliber. A 3U APC SmartUPS 2200, 4U Chenbro based home built file server, 2U HP game server, 2U HP firewall, 1U Dell infrastructure server, 1U Dell server for network management, 17" touch screen LCD driven by the Dell management box, 2U KVM that was later swapped for a 1U IP KVM, 1U console, 1U 24 port gig switch, 2U patch panel, old 4U HP 8000 80 port switch (pretty much just there to fill space, lol), a filler and a drawer module. All totaled with rack chassis I spent about about $13,000. I need to buy another touch screen though, the LCD died grrr.
Wauw 13000$ is some money. Nice rack
i had one like yours myself as well, however it was all self-built (xcase rack cases, pfsense firewalls / bgp routers and a couple of cisco switches), ups was on the data center infrastructure so didn't need that myself. Costs was just like 9 grand but that's because I ran most of my things on desktop boards (i7-2600), worked pefectly for 3 straight years
Heya! You don't really need the whole rack and everything to host a hunger games server, though props to Strahan202 and IonicHost with their amazing setups.
I don't really know why Strahan has a rack and stuff, and the reason why I have a rack at home is because I do a lot of testing and experimentation with software and whatnot and need a good platform to do that from. There's pretty much no reason for anyone to have servers with 48GB RAM in their house unless they do some pretty extreme work with computers.
For a minecraft server, you could probably run just fine on a regular desktop computer with 4 to 8 gigs of ram, or if you really wanted, you could buy up a old server machine to run from, though server machines can be loud due to fan noise and they also suck up a lot of power. If you'd like a couple suggestions, a "Dell Poweredge 2950" can be had for pretty cheap and can run some pretty nice specs for your money. I have a couple of those hanging around at home too. And even if you get one of those fancy 'rack servers', you don't need to get a rack for them. The rack is only a way to mount several servers all in the same place and to organize cables and so forth. It wouldn't make sense to buy a rack for only one server.
The reason why hosting companies like "Low End Xeon" or any other host have multiple racks of highly expensive equipment is because they need to run dozens of minecraft servers on each server machine. A host may need 24 Cores with 196GB RAM so they can host many minecraft servers on the same computer.
You only need to run the one minecraft server, so any modern processor(Even a Core2Duo) and 4-8GB of ram would run your hunger games server quite happily.
You say you don't want to pay those monthly costs, but if you run your own server in your own house, you'll be paying for it in other ways. Keeping that computer plugged in all the time will raise your power bill quite a bit (Mine did when I started keeping some servers in my house), and it'll take a chunk out of your internet speed whenever people are on your server.
Those monthly costs you would pay a hosting company go to renting a bit of the expensive, high-powered computer equipment that they run. Those monthly costs go to paying the power used and for the space you use on their computers. Those costs might even be less than what it would cost you to run it in your home.
If you have any specific questions or whatnot, feel free to reply or PM me on here if you like.
Happy crafting!
-Eric from ioTheory.
That's pretty expensive for empty enclosures lol. Just joking, I saw your other pic above, just funny you chose to use the one of empty racks for this post heh. Speaking of cost, out of curiosity, what exactly are you running that is hundreds of thousands of dollars? SuperMicro hardware is cheap. I don't mean inferior, I just mean economically low cost. I'm an engineer in the IT department of a major metropolitan government. Hundreds of thousands is what we spend on our equipment, and that's to run a city. Curious as to what a Minecraft provider is running to spend that much.
Definitely. You don't even need a "server" in the traditional sense, many people just run their MC servers from workstations. You said you don't want to spend money, but honestly you're better off buying hosting from a provider. Your home connection will be hosed if you get DDoS'd. I always laughed at people who warned of that, then I offered server space to a guy who wanted no cost hosting. He advertised it and got a bunch of people visiting.. apparently, he also got jerks visiting because within a week of starting we got DDoS'd. Crippled my internet, so I had to close his server. A professional host has protection against that kinda thing. The money you'd spend buying a server would be better put toward a real host.
Oh, and I have that gear just because I'm into anime I found an FTP provider that offered anime and I was afraid the service would vanish one day so I wanted to download everything they had. My existing file server was woefully undersized for that (at the time, the service had ~12 TB of content, and this was back in 2007 when a terabyte wasn't too cheap) so I spec'd out a nice new file server. I wanted 16 hot swap bays and when you get to that many you're pretty much going to only be looking at rack mount. I had a few desktop machines repurposed as servers for some in house stuff (LAN infrastructure box (ADDC/DNS/DHCP/DFS), a web server and my "first gen" file server) so I figured I'd go ahead and buy new rack versions of those to make the rack worthwhile lol. Then that also prompted me to buy rack network gear, then I needed a rack UPS, it just kinda snowballed haha. Saved me a lot of space though and got rid of the rats nest of cables. I had wired my house for ethernet and putting the rack in also motivated me to get conduit and do a proper endpoint for all the wiring.