"I want to call Nintendo and complain about how I really don't like how their Wii games won't play on my Super Nintendo."
If I were a game developer, I wouldn't want to know that players had to constantly distract themselves from the game to spam a key binding to improve playability. This may lead to me developing an inferior game; having lost my ability to focus on immersing my player in an experience. Which is why I would develop an options section, with video settings.
Are you kidding me. Do you believe that we're running DOS? Sadly, some people don't like forking out money for a brand new computer just to play a single game. This may even be the only game on their PC! In a shop, someone may be thinking, "Hmm, this laptop/pc is cheap and it seems to have a really good processor" only to take it home and realize that they were hauling an infamously slow graphics card that was marketed as good for "everyday gaming" with "popular titles." Other times, people are completely satisfied with their old computer and they don't exactly enjoy throwing cash everywhere.
As for your second group of statements, I'd be ashamed if a game developer managed to lose focus of everything that they are doing and everything that they are going to do in the process of applying a 15-20 minute fix. Sure, the video settings are really important, but if a hotkey it helps the player play, why not include it and maintain customer loyalty?
(I also found your somewhat inaccurate analogy hilarious, even though I'm using a freaking Intel GMA. Yeah, I got my laptop as a gift several years ago.)
It's very interesting that you absolutely have to be able to change the level of fog with a key, while nobody is in support of binding advanced opengl, smooth lighting, the graphics detail, or any other settings to a key. I must conclude that you specifically want a fog key only because it was in the last version, not because it is what you need.
Advanced OpenGL is a function that you'd have static, it's either "helps or doesn't help." I don't think toggling it every few seconds would do much of anything. Toggling fog really does help people. Is smooth lighting something you'd toggle many times over and over? I don't think so. I don't even know what you mean by "graphics detail." The truth is, we're not fighting the change because it's a change, it's because it changed a low-fps unplayable experience into a fun experience. Something that some people can play. Some people really DO need it. And does the function really bother you?
That concludes my replies, and I'd like to see what you'd like to say to me.
(I do not personally need the fog key, but this feels almost like this:
Imagine there is a forest. There are two types of trees: big ones and little ones. The little ones are having a hard time surviving because they are being attacked by tiny bugs. These bugs do not bother the big trees because of the tough bark that the trees have. The bugs only recently came because the forest conservation people left bug protection out of their "to-do" list. The little trees want help, but only a few will ever grow into the big trees and the conservation workers don't always notice these problems. The remaining little trees are being yelled at by the big trees because the little trees are little. Honestly, it's silly for the big trees to even bother.
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Every time that someone on the support forums doesn't say anything after I tell them a possible solution, I assume that they are having too much fun enjoying their fixed Minecraft to reply.
i honestly believe notch removed this only because he didnt realize how important it was to so many minecraft players. we are the beta testers for a reason. make him aware of the problem and he should fix it. thats the point of having testers to give you feed back. if he ignores this i will lose a lot of faith in notch and all of minecafts development team. but for now i think it was just a mistake and he had no idea the negative effect it would have on the game and im confident he will fix it
So.. basically, if Notch hadn't released Minecraft to the public in the first place...none of these spam threads that clog up the forum wouldn't exist. And the people that actually care to create a thread as of today are just adding to the spam.
We have enough of these complaining threads already, stop this nonsense.
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I don't see why this is a problem. I never use it anyway, its just that one button you accidentally click and have to wait for it to render again. It was a annoyance. Just change it in the options menu.
Yes i total agree! I payed $2000 for a computer just for minecraft but i have to hit "f" every now and then to reload the chunks. This is a BIG problem and i think notch NEEDS to be contacted of this complaint. 1.8 is amazing but no fog hot key really ruins it for me. If i am in multiplayer (witch i always am) and there is a creeper and im lagging before i just hit "f". But now i can't do anything except lag and the lag will probably cause the creeper to blow up. Everyone please contact notch so he is aware what we want! If this isnt fixed i WONT play minecraft anymore and if there is a mod god for that i want a minecraft WITHOUT mods and it should work.
Not just the F key, I think Notch should fix the lag issue. I don't see how Minecraft lags so much for just a block type game when I can run much more intense games with no lag at all.
Every time that someone on the support forums doesn't say anything after I tell them a possible solution, I assume that they are having too much fun enjoying their fixed Minecraft to reply.
If it is really that bad, then (If you are a kid) get a job, or work for your parents. If you are an adult, then just take $10 out of your paycheck every week until you've saved up for a computer that can handle minecraft.
I'm a 17-year-old high school senior and I worked for a year to buy the computer that I have now. I only made $5.00 an hour.
I am still confused as to how constantly spamming the F key makes for a fun gaming experience. My computer isn't that great but it runs minecraft just fine on Fancy, with normal view distance. Keep a fps range of 40 to 50 The only adjustment I've made is that I manually allotted more of my measly two gigs of ram to minecraft in Java.
Then riddle me this, Batman:
Which do you think makes a more fun gaming experience with more immersion? Is it:
a ) Pressing a key every few seconds to decrease lag without interrupting the game?
b ) Pausing the game, navigating through menus and changing the fog distance, interrupting the game and removing any immersion you might have had?
Seriously, this was a completely ludicrous change, there was no need to remove it. Toggling the fog/distance helped even out my computer speed when I was playing and having to go into the video settings is such a hassle when it was an option right from the get-go. Can't we just be given a fully mappable keyboard to do with what we want? Or at least a few more keys if that's the issue?
Oh yeah,there is an issue of people abusing the F key to find torches, with new things like strongholds and mine shafts I see this as a valid reason to remove it. I'm pretty sure that is why he removed that feature and honestly, I don't think cheating is worth a few people with old computers raging over their toasters not being able to handle a game of cubes.
Are you kidding me. Do you believe that we're running DOS? Sadly, some people don't like forking out money for a brand new computer just to play a single game. This may even be the only game on their PC! In a shop, someone may be thinking, "Hmm, this laptop/pc is cheap and it seems to have a really good processor" only to take it home and realize that they were hauling an infamously slow graphics card that was marketed as good for "everyday gaming" with "popular titles." Other times, people are completely satisfied with their old computer and they don't exactly enjoy throwing cash everywhere.
As for your second group of statements, I'd be ashamed if a game developer managed to lose focus of everything that they are doing and everything that they are going to do in the process of applying a 15-20 minute fix. Sure, the video settings are really important, but if a hotkey it helps the player play, why not include it and maintain customer loyalty?
(I also found your somewhat inaccurate analogy hilarious, even though I'm using a freaking Intel GMA. Yeah, I got my laptop as a gift several years ago.)
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I don't think that people should have to rush out and spend their whole pay check on a new computer to play minecraft, and I don't personally care if the F key toggles fog or not. I actually went into creative mode spamming F to try and fly.... I definitely felt embarrassed to myself when I realized I should have been double tapping space.
I do however, think, that using an argument like "my computer can't handle it" as a reason for why things should or shouldn't change is really weak. Hence the mindblowinglytotallyaccurate analogy ;-) Here is another one:
I am going to call the Olympic Committee and ask them to shorten the length of a regulation lap pool, because I can't swim that far without panting.
A better argument would be this:
Having to go into the options menu each time I wanted to adjust the fog takes away my experience in the game. Because I like to do the following:
I like using close fog at night
I like using less fog in the day
I like to give myself a challenge
I like to see really far on the tops of mountains
I don't care to see very far in valleys, so I don't become distracted by a cool formation of cactus plants and forget where my mine entrance is
I like to switch between these things without interrupting my game.
Yes the little guy needs to be looked out for, but at the same time we can't shorten the pool length because other countries are bioengineering their children to be great swimmers and we need to take advantage of that.
hes not... nothing you said in the post he quoted was even close to making sense... please tell me english isnt your first language because then i would understand but if it is then i have nothing to say to you besides maybe you should learn to talk
No it's not. It's the way the world loads. As more chunks pop in, the slower my PC (and other low-end PCs) run. Tapping the F key resets how many chunks have loaded visuallly, and thus reduces lag. This is a fact.
the F key resets how many chunks have loaded visuallly
Correct.
and thus reduces lag.
Wrong.
Instead of drawing things that are already in memory (and thus, EXTREMELY quick to draw), the game instead has to poll the Hard drive again for each of the files for the chunks, retranslate them back into what they are, then work out how to draw them and store that in memory, then draw them again.
Protip: Video drawing of objects in memory is around 10,000 times faster than drawing of objects stored in Virtual memory, let alone having to turn them from region files INTO things that can be drawn first.
Also also: If your game is busy loading files, it's unable to render them as quickly because it's already busy.
Oh yeah,there is an issue of people abusing the F key to find torches, with new things like strongholds and mine shafts I see this as a valid reason to remove it. I'm pretty sure that is why he removed that feature and honestly, I don't think cheating is worth a few people with old computers raging over their toasters not being able to handle a game of cubes.
also;
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Theres plenty of ways to cheat in minecraft. If someone wants to cheat in minecraft, why do you even care? Let them "cheat." People with crappy computers shouldn't be punished for something that doesn't affect them.
Not a lot of speculation on the why. Here's an idea:
It's specifically for the pre-release. Now, people have said that earlier in this thread, but they haven't provided reasoning - I will.
The big bug that's been preventing progress is a rendering bug. Specifically, one that only appears under certain draw conditions. It's possible that the 'F' key was taken out to prevent people from accidentally triggering that bug.
You might ask "Wouldn't people triggering the bug be a good thing?", as the pre-release was all about ironing out bugs. The answer is: Not in this case. If you accidentally hit the button, you might not even know what caused it, and so there'd be tons of bug reports that have nothing better than guesses as to why it happened. Plus even if you did know that the draw distance is the culprit, you'd have to remember what you had it on before and what the 'F' key would have changed it to.
The way it currently is, if you change your draw distance it's because it's a willing choice you're making, and you can clearly see what you're changing it from and to. This way, if it bugs out, you can put in a good bug report.
As a happy side effect from this, if you are one of the people who are effected by this bug, you can figure out what settings trigger it and then avoid them, thus allowing you to play the game without an unfortunate bump to the keyboard messing everything up.
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umm, i dont really know what your talking about. in order to run minecraft on max settings, you kinda do need a good computer. you need a decent video card( learned that the hard way), and you need, at least 2-4 ram. a decent amount of computers dont have those specs, or are being used up constantly, which would cause lag.
Are you kidding me. Do you believe that we're running DOS? Sadly, some people don't like forking out money for a brand new computer just to play a single game. This may even be the only game on their PC!
Well, games are a luxury item, and if your PC runs games slow and you can't afford to update (or just don't want to) then that's to bad so sad.
Are you kidding me. Do you believe that we're running DOS? Sadly, some people don't like forking out money for a brand new computer just to play a single game. This may even be the only game on their PC! In a shop, someone may be thinking, "Hmm, this laptop/pc is cheap and it seems to have a really good processor" only to take it home and realize that they were hauling an infamously slow graphics card that was marketed as good for "everyday gaming" with "popular titles." Other times, people are completely satisfied with their old computer and they don't exactly enjoy throwing cash everywhere.
As for your second group of statements, I'd be ashamed if a game developer managed to lose focus of everything that they are doing and everything that they are going to do in the process of applying a 15-20 minute fix. Sure, the video settings are really important, but if a hotkey it helps the player play, why not include it and maintain customer loyalty?
(I also found your somewhat inaccurate analogy hilarious, even though I'm using a freaking Intel GMA. Yeah, I got my laptop as a gift several years ago.)
Advanced OpenGL is a function that you'd have static, it's either "helps or doesn't help." I don't think toggling it every few seconds would do much of anything. Toggling fog really does help people. Is smooth lighting something you'd toggle many times over and over? I don't think so. I don't even know what you mean by "graphics detail." The truth is, we're not fighting the change because it's a change, it's because it changed a low-fps unplayable experience into a fun experience. Something that some people can play. Some people really DO need it. And does the function really bother you?
That concludes my replies, and I'd like to see what you'd like to say to me.
(I do not personally need the fog key, but this feels almost like this:
Imagine there is a forest. There are two types of trees: big ones and little ones. The little ones are having a hard time surviving because they are being attacked by tiny bugs. These bugs do not bother the big trees because of the tough bark that the trees have. The bugs only recently came because the forest conservation people left bug protection out of their "to-do" list. The little trees want help, but only a few will ever grow into the big trees and the conservation workers don't always notice these problems. The remaining little trees are being yelled at by the big trees because the little trees are little. Honestly, it's silly for the big trees to even bother.
We have enough of these complaining threads already, stop this nonsense.
I think I'm smoking 1:00 AM
I'm a 17-year-old high school senior and I worked for a year to buy the computer that I have now. I only made $5.00 an hour.
Then riddle me this, Batman:
Which do you think makes a more fun gaming experience with more immersion? Is it:
a ) Pressing a key every few seconds to decrease lag without interrupting the game?
b ) Pausing the game, navigating through menus and changing the fog distance, interrupting the game and removing any immersion you might have had?
I'm interested to see which one you pick.
Still, honestly baffled by the removal.
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I don't think that people should have to rush out and spend their whole pay check on a new computer to play minecraft, and I don't personally care if the F key toggles fog or not. I actually went into creative mode spamming F to try and fly.... I definitely felt embarrassed to myself when I realized I should have been double tapping space.
I do however, think, that using an argument like "my computer can't handle it" as a reason for why things should or shouldn't change is really weak. Hence the mindblowinglytotallyaccurate analogy ;-) Here is another one:
I am going to call the Olympic Committee and ask them to shorten the length of a regulation lap pool, because I can't swim that far without panting.
A better argument would be this:
Having to go into the options menu each time I wanted to adjust the fog takes away my experience in the game. Because I like to do the following:
I like using close fog at night
I like using less fog in the day
I like to give myself a challenge
I like to see really far on the tops of mountains
I don't care to see very far in valleys, so I don't become distracted by a cool formation of cactus plants and forget where my mine entrance is
I like to switch between these things without interrupting my game.
Yes the little guy needs to be looked out for, but at the same time we can't shorten the pool length because other countries are bioengineering their children to be great swimmers and we need to take advantage of that.
hes not... nothing you said in the post he quoted was even close to making sense... please tell me english isnt your first language because then i would understand but if it is then i have nothing to say to you besides maybe you should learn to talk
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Wrong.
Instead of drawing things that are already in memory (and thus, EXTREMELY quick to draw), the game instead has to poll the Hard drive again for each of the files for the chunks, retranslate them back into what they are, then work out how to draw them and store that in memory, then draw them again.
Protip: Video drawing of objects in memory is around 10,000 times faster than drawing of objects stored in Virtual memory, let alone having to turn them from region files INTO things that can be drawn first.
Also also: If your game is busy loading files, it's unable to render them as quickly because it's already busy.
Theres plenty of ways to cheat in minecraft. If someone wants to cheat in minecraft, why do you even care? Let them "cheat." People with crappy computers shouldn't be punished for something that doesn't affect them.
It's specifically for the pre-release. Now, people have said that earlier in this thread, but they haven't provided reasoning - I will.
The big bug that's been preventing progress is a rendering bug. Specifically, one that only appears under certain draw conditions. It's possible that the 'F' key was taken out to prevent people from accidentally triggering that bug.
You might ask "Wouldn't people triggering the bug be a good thing?", as the pre-release was all about ironing out bugs. The answer is: Not in this case. If you accidentally hit the button, you might not even know what caused it, and so there'd be tons of bug reports that have nothing better than guesses as to why it happened. Plus even if you did know that the draw distance is the culprit, you'd have to remember what you had it on before and what the 'F' key would have changed it to.
The way it currently is, if you change your draw distance it's because it's a willing choice you're making, and you can clearly see what you're changing it from and to. This way, if it bugs out, you can put in a good bug report.
As a happy side effect from this, if you are one of the people who are effected by this bug, you can figure out what settings trigger it and then avoid them, thus allowing you to play the game without an unfortunate bump to the keyboard messing everything up.
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umm, i dont really know what your talking about. in order to run minecraft on max settings, you kinda do need a good computer. you need a decent video card( learned that the hard way), and you need, at least 2-4 ram. a decent amount of computers dont have those specs, or are being used up constantly, which would cause lag.
if s0 why you mad?
Well, games are a luxury item, and if your PC runs games slow and you can't afford to update (or just don't want to) then that's to bad so sad.