Maybe you should re-read the terms. Selling your minecraft account is a form of distributing and YOUR account falls in the terms of the agreement. Heck, I dare you to post up a topic on these forums about selling a minecraft account, link me to it, so I can report and we can see if the moderators agree with me if it breaks the terms.
It is not a form of distribution. "Do not distribute anything we've made. This includes, but not limited to, the client or the server software for the game. This also includes modified versions of anything we've made."
They make no mention of your account, which is not the client.
So you're saying selling things in a garage sale is illegal?
It is not a form of distribution. "Do not distribute anything we've made. This includes, but not limited to, the client or the server software for the game. This also includes modified versions of anything we've made."
They make no mention of your account, which is not the client.
So you're saying selling things in a garage sale is illegal?
distribution does NOT mean selling.
Selling would be distributing it.
"dis·trib·ute [di strí byt]
(past and past participle dis·trib·ut·ed, present participle dis·trib·ut·ing, 3rd person present singular dis·trib·utes)
v
1. vt give something out: to give out something to a number of people
distributed prizes
2. vt share something out: to divide something into shares and give the shares to a number of people
3. vt commerce sell and dispatch goods: to sell and deliver merchandise, especially wholesale goods to a retailer
4. vt spread something: to scatter something or spread it throughout a particular area or place
5. vt divide something into classes: to divide something up into different classes or categories
6. vt logic make term apply to all: to apply a term to all the members of the class it designates
7. vti mathematics make mathematical operation apply throughout: to make an operation such as multiplication or division apply to each part of a mathematical expression"
LOOK AT DEFINITION 3
Secondly, last time I checked the account you bought, was bought from Mojang? "Do not distribute anything we've made. This includes, but not limited to..."
"dis·trib·ute [di strí byt]
(past and past participle dis·trib·ut·ed, present participle dis·trib·ut·ing, 3rd person present singular dis·trib·utes)
v
1. vt give something out: to give out something to a number of people
distributed prizes
2. vt share something out: to divide something into shares and give the shares to a number of people
3. vt commerce sell and dispatch goods: to sell and deliver merchandise, especially wholesale goods to a retailer
4. vt spread something: to scatter something or spread it throughout a particular area or place
5. vt divide something into classes: to divide something up into different classes or categories
6. vt logic make term apply to all: to apply a term to all the members of the class it designates
7. vti mathematics make mathematical operation apply throughout: to make an operation such as multiplication or division apply to each part of a mathematical expression"
LOOK AT DEFINITION 3
Secondly, last time I checked the account you bought, was bought from Mojang? "Do not distribute anything we've made. This includes, but not limited to..."
Commercial sales.
End of argument. Do you not know the difference between selling something from one person to another vs commercial sales?
End of argument. Do you not know the difference between selling something from one person to another vs commercial sales?
"3. vt commerce sell and dispatch goods: to sell and deliver merchandise, especially wholesale goods to a retailer"
Are you kidding me? That's like saying, I can't hand people minecraft, but "selling" is a different story? What's to stop people from trying to sell minecraft? Screw the account I mean minecraft itself. This classifies as what I have been saying. Apparently, they are no longer doing anything illegal if they ask for a penny for the files?
Commerce means to trade in Goods and services, so no luck senior. Telling me one person selling between one person means it does not fit this definition would be like ludicrous.
Edit: To base your entire argument on the word "commerce" when I can just use another dictionary that will give out the exact same definition but minus the word "commerce" would be funny. Or I could just give you a link to the commerce definition and we'd argue it out what that definition actually means, either way seems it is going to lead to the fact that distribution means this good(minecraft account) is leaving your posession and going into someone else's.
But you must realize that basing your entire argument on the fact that you may NOT share your account legally, but suddenly when money is involved it becomes legal is an argument that is bound to crumble.
"3. vt commerce sell and dispatch goods: to sell and deliver merchandise, especially wholesale goods to a retailer"
Are you kidding me? That's like saying, I can't hand people minecraft, but "selling" is a different story? What's to stop people from trying to sell minecraft? Screw the account I mean minecraft itself. This classifies as what I have been saying. Apparently, they are no longer doing anything illegal if they ask for a penny for the files?
Commerce means to trade in Goods and services, so no luck senior. Telling me one person selling between one person means it does not fit this definition would be like ludicrous.
There is a huge difference.
I hope you're not planning on becoming a lawyer dude. Distribution is not selling something.
Commercial sales is different.
Distribution would be putting copies Minecraft up on a website or in your store. Copies with an "s". As in more than one.
Commercial sales would be selling those copies.
Since I own the game, I have the right to re-sell my copy, but I don't have the right to buy multiple copies and sell them, as that is distributing it. On top of that, the whole reason they don't want you to distribute the game is because they want to make sure everyone gets the file from the same place, which is the Minecraft website.
Seriously man, you are making a fool of yourself. It's obvious you're just flipping through online dictionaries and posting your findings here. There's a reason it's called distribution. Words aren't just fancy, they have meaning and reason.
I hope you're not planning on becoming a lawyer dude. Distribution is not selling something.
Commercial sales is different.
Distribution would be putting copies Minecraft up on a website or in your store. Copies with an "s". As in more than one.
Commercial sales would be selling those copies.
Since I own the game, I have the right to re-sell my copy, but I don't have the right to buy multiple copies and sell them, as that is distributing it. On top of that, the whole reason they don't want you to distribute the game is because they want to make sure everyone gets the file from the same place, which is the Minecraft website.
Seriously man, you are making a fool of yourself. It's obvious you're just flipping through online dictionaries and posting your findings here. There's a reason it's called distribution. Words aren't just fancy, they have meaning and reason.
I actually use a webster dictionary. One of the printed books, but I can link you some online dictionary definitions of the word "Distribution". They can't all possibly be wrong?
I actually use a webster dictionary. One of the printed books, but I can link you some online dictionary definitions of the word "Distribution". They can't all possibly be wrong?
Okay, you know what, I highly think you will be back Toric, so I'll humour you for a moment. I will ignore an entire definition of distribution for a moment and humour you with where you are going. I'll just say it's magical definition that does not exist or whatever for a few moments and all you have to do is answer one question too, simple really. So the transaction between you and another person involves them giving you money. But what then does it involve you doing what with the item in question that they are purchasing off your hands? Does it involve you delivering the end product to your consumer in question? Which is the minecraft account btw.
So bluntly put, does YOUR end of the transaction involve in ANY way your delivering of the content to the other said person? It's a pretty straight forward question kid, just yes or no.
Okay, you know what, I highly think you will be back Toric, so I'll humour you for a moment. I will ignore an entire definition of distribution for a moment and humour you with where you are going. I'll just say it's magical definition that does not exist or whatever for a few moments and all you have to do is answer one question too, simple really. So the transaction between you and another person involves them giving you money. But what then does it involve you doing what with the item in question that they are purchasing off your hands? Does it involve you delivering the end product to your consumer in question? Which is the minecraft account btw.
So bluntly put, does YOUR end of the transaction involve in ANY way your delivering of the content to the other said person? It's a pretty straight forward question kid, just yes or no.
No. All i give them is my username and password. I don't give them any files. Mojang does not own my username or password. I haven't distributed anything, I've merely given my account information to someone in exchange for money. That's not against the ToS.
No. All i give them is my username and password. I don't give them any files. Mojang does not own my username or password. I haven't distributed anything, I've merely given my account information to someone in exchange for money. That's not against the ToS.
So legal ownership of the account does not change correct? You still own this account, and the other person who you are transacting with acknowledges this? That the account is yours legally still?
I must be mistakened. From my stand-point, it seems as though no legal transactions has happened along the lines that the minecraft account has been sold. Thus minecraft has not been sold for money :laugh.gif: (legally)
I must be mistakened. From my stand-point, it seems as though no legal transactions has happened along the lines that the minecraft account has been sold. Thus minecraft has not been sold for money :laugh.gif: (legally)
It was legally sold for money (not traded in exchange for good or services) and the ownership changes. I could, if I wanted, get the account back by claiming I was hacked. This is why most companies don't want you to sell the account.
Ofcourse, now you're argueing a different point because you can't seem to focus. You have no idea what you're talking about,, and it's obvious that you're either illiterate or young. You do realize commercial sales include things like taxes, receipts (documentation), inventory, distribution (distribution is not simply the act of selling an item). This is why we have bar codes.
On the other side of the spectrum, did you know a verbal contract is legally binding? So if I were to tell you "I'm going to sell you this game for $15" and you agree and we make the transaction, it's a legal sale. On top of that if you use cash and don't get a written agreement and I claim you stole the product from me, you're screwed. That's why we have things like pay pal. Noncommercial sales are much different than commercial sales. You don't go through the system on a noncommercial sale. I.E. I can sell my car to someone else if I want. Doesn't mean I'm a commercial car salesman.
Ofcourse, you don't see the difference because you have no experience in the matter. Once again, go read a book.
I must be mistakened. From my stand-point, it seems as though no legal transactions has happened along the lines that the minecraft account has been sold. Thus minecraft has not been sold for money :laugh.gif: (legally)
I would also like for you to consider Mojang does not mention anything about retaining the ownership of the account. So if they wanted to take action against someone for selling their Minecraft account, as long as the seller does not distribute the actual software, they wouldn't even be able to get into civil court.
On the other hand, Blizzard reserves the right to all their accounts. It's in the ToS. This is why they ban accounts when they are sold. Technically it's illegal, but it's too small of a claim for them to pursue, and on top of that it just makes them more money to ban the account in the first place. Ofcourse this is a completely different situation.
It was legally sold for money (not traded in exchange for good or services) and the ownership changes. I could, if I wanted, get the account back by claiming I was hacked. This is why most companies don't want you to sell the account.
Ofcourse, now you're argueing a different point because you can't seem to focus. You have no idea what you're talking about,, and it's obvious that you're either illiterate or young. You do realize commercial sales include things like taxes, receipts (documentation), inventory, distribution (distribution is not simply the act of selling an item). This is why we have bar codes.
On the other side of the spectrum, did you know a verbal contract is legally binding? So if I were to tell you "I'm going to sell you this game for $15" and you agree and we make the transaction, it's a legal sale. On top of that if you use cash and don't get a written agreement and I claim you stole the product from me, you're screwed. That's why we have things like pay pal. Noncommercial sales are much different than commercial sales. You don't go through the system on a noncommercial sale. I.E. I can sell my car to someone else if I want. Doesn't mean I'm a commercial car salesman.
Ofcourse, you don't see the difference because you have no experience in the matter. Once again, go read a book.
I'm sorry, but from a legal stand-point the account was never in the transaction. Your information and password were the objects sold. And I am arguing from this different point because I wanted to see if I could trick you into accidently admitting you were wrong, which you did. I got it quoted if you want. You answered the question, and the answer you gave told the EXACT same thing I've been trying to say for past 3 days.
I don't agree with everything you said, but there are some things I do. the way you have written this post is very, very nice. You made your point with some good references and very little hate. If more people complained as well as you do, there would be much less problems around here.
I'm sorry, but from a legal stand-point the account was never in the transaction. Your information and password were the objects sold. And I am arguing from this different point because I wanted to see if I could trick you into accidently admitting you were wrong, which you did. I got it quoted if you want. You answered the question, and the answer you gave told the EXACT same thing I've been trying to say for past 3 days.
go ahead and post the quote? why didn't you post it in the first place?
It's hard to tell what you've been saying for the past three days because your arguments are based off google search, half-truths, misinformation, and then there's the fact that you seem to contradict yourself every few posts and you can't focus on one subject or another.
From a legal standpoint the account was never in the transaction? how? Explain.
I would also like for you to consider Mojang does not mention anything about retaining the ownership of the account. So if they wanted to take action against someone for selling their Minecraft account, as long as the seller does not distribute the actual software, they wouldn't even be able to get into civil court.
On the other hand, Blizzard reserves the right to all their accounts. It's in the ToS. This is why they ban accounts when they are sold. Technically it's illegal, but it's too small of a claim for them to pursue, and on top of that it just makes them more money to ban the account in the first place. Ofcourse this is a completely different situation.
Let me give my professional opinion here. It sounds like U mad bro. U mad because ownership doesn't matter in this case, it's terms of use, which you legally have to stand by as it binding to anyone who got minecraft from the only legal way to obtain. Which is from Mojang and it also involves you purchasing the account, legally :cool.gif:
No. All i give them is my username and password. I don't give them any files. Mojang does not own my username or password. I haven't distributed anything, I've merely given my account information to someone in exchange for money. That's not against the ToS.
But I think I know why you are panicking now. Just take deep breathes, and hey, you can insult me if that makes you feel any better. I'm cool with that, I'm just so happy myself right now, top the world really.
It is not a form of distribution. "Do not distribute anything we've made. This includes, but not limited to, the client or the server software for the game. This also includes modified versions of anything we've made."
They make no mention of your account, which is not the client.
So you're saying selling things in a garage sale is illegal?
distribution does NOT mean selling.
Selling would be distributing it.
"dis·trib·ute [di strí byt]
(past and past participle dis·trib·ut·ed, present participle dis·trib·ut·ing, 3rd person present singular dis·trib·utes)
v
1. vt give something out: to give out something to a number of people
distributed prizes
2. vt share something out: to divide something into shares and give the shares to a number of people
3. vt commerce sell and dispatch goods: to sell and deliver merchandise, especially wholesale goods to a retailer
4. vt spread something: to scatter something or spread it throughout a particular area or place
5. vt divide something into classes: to divide something up into different classes or categories
6. vt logic make term apply to all: to apply a term to all the members of the class it designates
7. vti mathematics make mathematical operation apply throughout: to make an operation such as multiplication or division apply to each part of a mathematical expression"
LOOK AT DEFINITION 3
Secondly, last time I checked the account you bought, was bought from Mojang? "Do not distribute anything we've made. This includes, but not limited to..."
Commercial sales.
End of argument. Do you not know the difference between selling something from one person to another vs commercial sales?
"3. vt commerce sell and dispatch goods: to sell and deliver merchandise, especially wholesale goods to a retailer"
Are you kidding me? That's like saying, I can't hand people minecraft, but "selling" is a different story? What's to stop people from trying to sell minecraft? Screw the account I mean minecraft itself. This classifies as what I have been saying. Apparently, they are no longer doing anything illegal if they ask for a penny for the files?
Commerce means to trade in Goods and services, so no luck senior. Telling me one person selling between one person means it does not fit this definition would be like ludicrous.
Edit: To base your entire argument on the word "commerce" when I can just use another dictionary that will give out the exact same definition but minus the word "commerce" would be funny. Or I could just give you a link to the commerce definition and we'd argue it out what that definition actually means, either way seems it is going to lead to the fact that distribution means this good(minecraft account) is leaving your posession and going into someone else's.
But you must realize that basing your entire argument on the fact that you may NOT share your account legally, but suddenly when money is involved it becomes legal is an argument that is bound to crumble.
There is a huge difference.
I hope you're not planning on becoming a lawyer dude. Distribution is not selling something.
Commercial sales is different.
Distribution would be putting copies Minecraft up on a website or in your store. Copies with an "s". As in more than one.
Commercial sales would be selling those copies.
Since I own the game, I have the right to re-sell my copy, but I don't have the right to buy multiple copies and sell them, as that is distributing it. On top of that, the whole reason they don't want you to distribute the game is because they want to make sure everyone gets the file from the same place, which is the Minecraft website.
Seriously man, you are making a fool of yourself. It's obvious you're just flipping through online dictionaries and posting your findings here. There's a reason it's called distribution. Words aren't just fancy, they have meaning and reason.
I actually use a webster dictionary. One of the printed books, but I can link you some online dictionary definitions of the word "Distribution". They can't all possibly be wrong?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/distribution
Or we can use commerce
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commerce
Which states "Commerce primarily expresses the fairly abstract notions of buying and selling"
Commerce is by definition abstract notion of buying and selling, which doing this between two individuals would still apply.
Either way, your argument of "commercial sale only, derp" seems to be failing, rather fast.
Believe what you want. You're still very very wrong.
So bluntly put, does YOUR end of the transaction involve in ANY way your delivering of the content to the other said person? It's a pretty straight forward question kid, just yes or no.
No. All i give them is my username and password. I don't give them any files. Mojang does not own my username or password. I haven't distributed anything, I've merely given my account information to someone in exchange for money. That's not against the ToS.
So legal ownership of the account does not change correct? You still own this account, and the other person who you are transacting with acknowledges this? That the account is yours legally still?
It was legally sold for money (not traded in exchange for good or services) and the ownership changes. I could, if I wanted, get the account back by claiming I was hacked. This is why most companies don't want you to sell the account.
Ofcourse, now you're argueing a different point because you can't seem to focus. You have no idea what you're talking about,, and it's obvious that you're either illiterate or young. You do realize commercial sales include things like taxes, receipts (documentation), inventory, distribution (distribution is not simply the act of selling an item). This is why we have bar codes.
On the other side of the spectrum, did you know a verbal contract is legally binding? So if I were to tell you "I'm going to sell you this game for $15" and you agree and we make the transaction, it's a legal sale. On top of that if you use cash and don't get a written agreement and I claim you stole the product from me, you're screwed. That's why we have things like pay pal. Noncommercial sales are much different than commercial sales. You don't go through the system on a noncommercial sale. I.E. I can sell my car to someone else if I want. Doesn't mean I'm a commercial car salesman.
Ofcourse, you don't see the difference because you have no experience in the matter. Once again, go read a book.
Yes, because it's too easy to **** away money.
I would also like for you to consider Mojang does not mention anything about retaining the ownership of the account. So if they wanted to take action against someone for selling their Minecraft account, as long as the seller does not distribute the actual software, they wouldn't even be able to get into civil court.
On the other hand, Blizzard reserves the right to all their accounts. It's in the ToS. This is why they ban accounts when they are sold. Technically it's illegal, but it's too small of a claim for them to pursue, and on top of that it just makes them more money to ban the account in the first place. Ofcourse this is a completely different situation.
I'm sorry, but from a legal stand-point the account was never in the transaction. Your information and password were the objects sold. And I am arguing from this different point because I wanted to see if I could trick you into accidently admitting you were wrong, which you did. I got it quoted if you want. You answered the question, and the answer you gave told the EXACT same thing I've been trying to say for past 3 days.
go ahead and post the quote? why didn't you post it in the first place?
It's hard to tell what you've been saying for the past three days because your arguments are based off google search, half-truths, misinformation, and then there's the fact that you seem to contradict yourself every few posts and you can't focus on one subject or another.
From a legal standpoint the account was never in the transaction? how? Explain.
Let me give my professional opinion here. It sounds like U mad bro. U mad because ownership doesn't matter in this case, it's terms of use, which you legally have to stand by as it binding to anyone who got minecraft from the only legal way to obtain. Which is from Mojang and it also involves you purchasing the account, legally :cool.gif:
I mean this award winning quote actually, not some old, old quote.
But I think I know why you are panicking now. Just take deep breathes, and hey, you can insult me if that makes you feel any better. I'm cool with that, I'm just so happy myself right now, top the world really.
How did we get into flame wars over the definition of distribution? In any case, I'm sure there were nazis involved somehow.
And actually, Toric might have a point. The TOU doesn't state anything about transferring your account.