The OP of this thread is one of those douchebags that feels entitled to having minecraft developed according to his exact wishes. I say to you good sir, this is not your game. Minecraft isn't even finished. Mojang can do whatever they want because they have absolutely no obligation to go down on you just to fulfill whatever it is that you think should be done with the game. Until the whole project is stamped as a full release you have no right to complain about the wonderful opportunity to test the game in development. The 'bugs' you speak of are not amateurish or unprofessional because they are a work in progress. Count yourself as a beta tester and not as a shareholder.
The OP of this thread is one of those douchebags that feels entitled to having minecraft developed according to his exact wishes. I say to you good sir, this is not your game. Minecraft isn't even finished. Mojang can do whatever they want because they have absolutely no obligation to go down on you just to fulfill whatever it is that you think should be done with the game. Until the whole project is stamped as a full release you have no right to complain about the wonderful opportunity to test the game in development. The 'bugs' you speak of are not amateurish or unprofessional because they are a work in progress. Count yourself as a beta tester and not as a shareholder.
So you're saying that there exists such a thing as buggy leaks? Madness, I say. It's all poor development and a grind on the middle class!
How have you managed to completely miss the point of this thread? We're giving our reasons. AKA we're being constructive in our criticism, instead of just slagging people off like you are.
Point taken. But then again, maybe I don't find pleasure in walls of flame-riddled text. Your reply was more than acceptable though.
but they cant do what ever they want with our money
they cant make empty promises that we put our money on and then skimp out, thats pretty much stealing our money:)))))(((
You could only begin to have that be a sensible claim if you start with the premise that you have not already gotten your money's worth. Are you willing to say minecraft has not been worth the ~$20 it costs?
Furthermore, its not your money. Its their money. You gave it to them in exchange for minecraft. Yo uare not a stock holder, you don't have shares in the company. Buying the game does not give you any control over mojang. You wouldn't tell minute maid "I bought your lemonade, and I'm not happy with how you are spending that money". You bought a product, as is, with the promise that your would get any updates to the game up until release. At no point was the arrangement "I'll give you my $20 if you include features x,y, and z in the game". At no point did they say " We will add these features if you buy the game". Esp. since in most cases, you buy the game, and later they say "we are adding the adventure update!". You would have no justification to claim that failure to add content announced after you bought the game invalidated your purchase agreement.
You bought a product. You gave them money, they gave you minecraft, and now they can use that money however they please. End of story.
I wont lie. The whole xp orbs dropping when you die and crashing a server has made me and my friends not even want to play until its fixed. It is ridiculous that a company who has made millions would even release 1.8 with such a MAJOR bug as that. little bugs, fine. whatever. but really. every death making a server lag out completely. come on now.
I respect your opinions but at the same time I must say myself that I see no problem with any of this. Yes I admit Notch has taking plenty of breaks from minecraft, some that as a game dev he should not have taken, but in the end it IS totally up to him what he does with his time, and he never did say when anyone bought the game "I will only take X amount of breaks during the making of minecraft." so he has all the power he needs to take as many breaks as he desires. About his whole "minecraft store" idea, I don't truely see much of a problem with it honestly. Sure it is a little too early to make one I guess but again not really my choice. I never cared for in-game stores anyway, I always kept to myself with them while other people gladly used them and it sometimes gave them more enjoyment out of the game. On the whole pre-release stuff, and as I am sure you know due to the full 1.8.1 out as we speak, that was a pre-release made solely for bug testing given to a select people. You can't really honestly judge a companies programming skills on bugs in the copy that was made to test for bugs. I program myself, and I am currently in school to become a game dev myself, and I can tell you the simplest mistakes are the ones that get past. No matter how much you code something can EASILY go wrong just because you misspelled one thing, or put a line of code in the wrong area. The fact that those huge bugs like the oven crashing got past is honestly not surprising to me, I have made bigger mistakes in the past while coding something as simple as a calculator, and in the end the big bugs (Atleast the ones I encountered in the pre-release) have all been fixed. I personally believe at the moment my money was well spent, and will think this until notch decides to stop coding minecraft altogether before it is finshed, IF that day even comes.
Money is a direct asset, it is considered the equivalent of an already liquidated asset. And no, if it can’t be liquidated, it can’t be called an asset. An asset’s economical value is considered it’s sell value. When YOU buy an item the assets value is not for what you paid for it, but for it’s estimated worth when selling. I’m not talking it’s overall monetary value. It’s sell value, which, when in your hands, in this case is nothing, because it can’t be sold. It may be bought for 15$, it may be worth 15$, but it can approximately be sold for nothing, so it’s estimated value when it would be liquidated would be zero, so it is not an asset.
This quote from wiki for example “Simply stated, assets represent ownership of value that can be converted into cash (although cash itself is also considered an asset)”
See, as I stated “ownership of value that CAN BE CONVERTED into cash”. Under your ownership minecraft can be converted into no amount of money (legally). It is NOT an asset.
Legal intangibles are known under the generic term intellectual property and generate legal property rights defensible in a court of law.
Computer software is an asset. Patents, copyrights, and trade secrets are all assets. You can convert Minecraft into cash as well.
Seriously dude, it's apparent you have a 101 level understanding and you're arguing with someone who does this for a living.
There are many different kinds of assets, and the game is changing EVERY DAY. a 101 understanding from a high school economics class is not going to help you in the least here. Please, stop making yourself look incompetent. It's actually rather annoying.
I'm sure you're going to say how patents and copyrights and trade secrets are all liquid-able. What about knowledge and know-how which is considered a competitive intangible? You can't liquidate knowledge.
Legal intangibles are known under the generic term intellectual property and generate legal property rights defensible in a court of law.
Computer software is an asset. Patents, copyrights, and trade secrets are all assets. You can convert Minecraft into cash as well.
Seriously dude, it's apparent you have a 101 level understanding and you're arguing with someone who does this for a living.
There are many different kinds of assets, and the game is changing EVERY DAY. a 101 understanding from a high school economics class is not going to help you in the least here. Please, stop making yourself look incompetent. It's actually rather annoying.
I'm sure you're going to say how patents and copyrights and trade secrets are all liquid-able. What about knowledge and know-how which is considered a competitive intangible? You can't liquidate knowledge.
You do this for living? Maybe you should consider a new job because you are obviously reading it all wrong. Copyrights for one, can be bought, sold, etc. Actually, I am little shocked someone like you would not know this, seemed pretty obvious to me that Copyrights fit the EXACT definition of asset. Patents I don't have as much expertise in so I don't know about them. But it doesn't really matter does it. Now maybe YOU don't agree with me, but from a legal stand point, if the government or debtors were to seize ALL of your assets, they wouldn't not even count minecraft as one because it is as I am saying.
So I don't need some acclaimed expert on the matter saying things that ARE untruelying on the matter. And knowledge you can liquidate to some degree, you can sell an idea, you can trademark it. Saying you can’t sell or buy an idea is as ignorant as saying you can't own an idea. Yes, you can. By definition financial asset means it has a positive economical value that can be converted into cash. If your idea or knowledge does not have this, it can NOT be considered an asset.
Every item that you have listed as “intangible”, but not “Competitive Intangible” have met the requirements that I have listed. You are just too arrogant to see that. Competitive intangibles, ARE legally non-ownable. All the “ownable” assets that were legally called assets you have listed are “legally” assets by definition. So again I have proved you wrong.
Why do you think the wikipedia goes out of it's way to mention that cash IS an asset? BECAUSE, cash does NOT meet the definition of asset. It is an exception, and they clearly list it as an asset specifically because it does NOT meet the definition of asset. It does not meet this definition because of EVERYTHING I have been saying. Last time I checked, you used wikipedia as a trusted source to prove your claims about this EXACT subject, are you disagreeing with it now?
So when it boils down to this, IF you actually do this for a living like you say (which you sure have stated you do a lot of things for living within these last 10 pages or so) I kindly suggest you make a new living, with something you are more educated in, because I sure as hell would not trust you with your incompetence on your own profession if you can't even see clearly what IS and what IS NOT an asset by financial terms. Heck, maybe I should go into financial accounting as I seem to know more than someone who is educated in the subject and this is just on the basics too.
Like a slack jawed idiot you read the first paragraph of the page and thought it completely agreed with you. You obviously stopped reading right then and there. Hey, if it makes you feel any better, you can report me if you feel you have lost, like you did last you got into an argument with me. That way no one can read that you got your ass handed to you. I suppose it will be hard to explain to the mod that you were the one who was rude in the first place, but I’m sure if you get past that little embarrassment he will happily delete all the little posts for you like last time.
And As far as I am concerned, your intangible argument is invalid, further strengthen by the fact that you forgot to read the bottom on the page you posted as your “supposed“ evidence. “The International Accounting Standards Board (IASB) offers some guidance (IAS 38) as to how intangible assets should be accounted for in financial statements. In general, legal intangibles that are developed internally are not recognized and legal intangibles that are purchased from third-parties are recognized. Wordings are similar to IAS 9.”
When YOU can convince to the government that minecraft is legally a financial ASSET I will admit I'm wrong. Until then, I don't need you too admit YOU are wrong. I have the majority that agrees with me from a legal stand point, which is terms financial accounting are bound by.
So until you come back with that PROOF you might as well stop posting nonsense which ONLY serves to embarrass yourself(especially with all these false claims of being an expert in these various fields). I have already provided proof that minecraft under your ownership is not an asset. While under Mojang’s ownership yes, but not yours. Which is exactly what I have been saying this entire time.
You do this for living? Maybe you should consider a new job because you are obviously reading it all wrong. Copyrights for one, can be bought, sold, etc. Actually, I am little shocked someone like you would not know this, seemed pretty obvious to me that Copyrights fit the EXACT definition of asset. Patents I don't have as much expertise in so I don't know about them. But it doesn't really matter does it. Now maybe YOU don't agree with me, but from a legal stand point, if the government or debtors were to seize ALL of your assets, they wouldn't not even count minecraft as one because it is as I am saying.
So I don't need some acclaimed expert on the matter saying things that ARE untruelying on the matter. And knowledge you can liquidate to some degree, you can sell an idea, you can trademark it. Saying you can’t sell or buy an idea is as ignorant as saying you can't own an idea. Yes, you can. By definition financial asset means it has a positive economical value that can be converted into cash. If your idea or knowledge does not have this, it can NOT be considered an asset.
Every item that you have listed as “intangible”, but not “Competitive Intangible” have met the requirements that I have listed. You are just too arrogant to see that. Competitive intangibles, ARE legally non-ownable. All the “ownable” assets that were legally called assets you have listed are “legally” assets by definition. So again I have proved you wrong.
Why do you think the wikipedia goes out of it's way to mention that cash IS an asset? BECAUSE, cash does NOT meet the definition of asset. It is an exception, and they clearly list it as an asset specifically because it does NOT meet the definition of asset. It does not meet this definition because of EVERYTHING I have been saying. Last time I checked, you used wikipedia as a trusted source to prove your claims about this EXACT subject, are you disagreeing with it now?
So when it boils down to this, IF you actually do this for a living like you say (which you sure have stated you do a lot of things for living within these last 10 pages or so) I kindly suggest you make a new living, with something you are more educated in, because I sure as hell would not trust you with your incompetence on your own profession if you can't even see clearly what IS and what IS NOT an asset by financial terms. Heck, maybe I should go into financial accounting as I seem to know more than someone who is educated in the subject and this is just on the basics too.
Like a slack jawed idiot you read the first paragraph of the page and thought it completely agreed with you. You obviously stopped reading right then and there. Hey, if it makes you feel any better, you can report me if you feel you have lost, like you did last you got into an argument with me. That way no one can read that you got your ass handed to you. I suppose it will be hard to explain to the mod that you were the one who was rude in the first place, but I’m sure if you get past that little embarrassment he will happily delete all the little posts for you like last time.
And As far as I am concerned, your intangible argument is invalid, further strengthen by the fact that you forgot to read the bottom on the page you posted as your “supposed“ evidence. “The International Accounting Standards Board (IASB) offers some guidance (IAS 38) as to how intangible assets should be accounted for in financial statements. In general, legal intangibles that are developed internally are not recognized and legal intangibles that are purchased from third-parties are recognized. Wordings are similar to IAS 9.”
When YOU can convince to the government that minecraft is legally a financial ASSET I will admit I'm wrong. Until then, I don't need you too admit YOU are wrong. I have the majority that agrees with me from a legal stand point, which is terms financial accounting are bound by.
So until you come back with that PROOF you might as well stop posting nonsense which ONLY serves to embarrass yourself(especially with all these false claims of being an expert in these various fields). I have already provided proof that minecraft under your ownership is not an asset. While under Mojang’s ownership yes, but not yours. Which is exactly what I have been saying this entire time.
Very well thought out post, that I didn't finish reading. Mainly because you just used the internet to research something you know nothing about.
Minecraft is the Intellectual Property of Mojang, and is thus an asset to the company. Not only that you're basing this off US law, and the company and intellectual property in question (the asset) is from Sweden. If the Swedish government were to seize and acquire Mojang, they would also acquire Minecraft.
Edit: BTW I read part of your post, and you proved my point by saying you can sell an idea. Minecraft isn't an idea? You should probably stop insulting people and read a book, kid.
Edit 2: Regarding your last paragraph, I never said it was my asset. I said it was Mojangs asset. Learn to read, start with books.
Later dude.
P.S. An asset owned by an individual is never ever referred to as an asset, it is referred to as personal property, and may be referred to as a "personal asset" in certain courts of law.
This quote from wiki for example “Simply stated, assets represent ownership of value that can be converted into cash (although cash itself is also considered an asset)”
See, as I stated “ownership of value that CAN BE CONVERTED into cash”. Under your ownership minecraft can be converted into no amount of money (legally). It is NOT an asset.
My old posts have stated very clearly what I was arguing from the start. I was never arguing if minecraft is an asset in Mojang’s ownership. I have been VERY CLEAR with my past posts that when YOU own minecraft it is not an asset. Maybe you should learn to read posts. Start with the small ones first I guess.
The bolded part is obviously the most sense you have made all day.
You know, in almost all cases that is what someone says when they have lost an argument, but hey, maybe you are an exception.
My old posts have stated very clearly what I was arguing from the start. I was never arguing if minecraft is an asset in Mojang’s ownership. I have been VERY CLEAR with my past posts that when YOU own minecraft it is not an asset. Maybe you should learn to read posts. Start with the small ones first I guess.
So where did I say owning Minecraft is an asset to me? I want quotes.
Also, where in the end user agreement does it say I can't sell my Minecraft account? If that's what you're argument is.
THe price point certainly makes this an iffier and iffier prospect, I've never known a product to increase in price over it's lifetime, while also getting buggier.
Most people consider minecraft to be one of the most price-efficient purchases they have ever made. Purely on an "hours of enjoyment/price" ratio, it stands out. And while it does get buggier, it also expands in features. Honestly, comparing the game now to when I first purchased it, it has well more than twice the content and potential. You have never known a product to increase in price over its lifetime because minecraft has followed a unique development cycle. Hav eyou ever been able to purchase a game in pre-alpha stages? Do you really think it isn't reasonable to offer a discount for an incomplete game?
And there are examples of games that have effectively increased in price as time goes by. Take the sims. Sure, the price of the core game may have dropped, but the ever-increasing number of expansions drove the total price of the "complete" experience ever skyward. New content is added to the game, and the price increases. Minecraft is adding content and developing, and as such, they are raising the price. The price of the released version has not once changed. It isstill following the pricing model Notch laid out in alpha; 50% off in alpha, 25% off in beta, full price upon release.
Minecraft is getting buggier because it is in a feature push stage right now. They are focusing on adding a large amount of content, which comes with new and interesting bugs. After the new content is added, they are going into a bug fixing phase. This is normal, its just that people are not normally playing the game in this phase.
Even my friends who are Minecraft owners agree that there's barely anything unique about Minecraft and the only worthwhile thing about it is the community and friends.
Really? Barely anything unique about minecraft? Point me at a game that is anything like it. The closest you get is stuff like infiniminer, and that is only similar at the most basic level.
Really? Barely anything unique about minecraft? Point me at a game that is anything like it. The closest you get is stuff like infiniminer, and that is only similar at the most basic level.
G mod is kinda close. It's not as cool (can't change the landscape) but it's not cube based and it runs on the source engine.
The things that are close in gmod is the ability to build and design objects with materials, you can glue and bolt them together, as well as wire mod (which is an addition, for free) in which you can basically do what redstone does, but you don't need giant schematics and it's more like electronic circuitry (you have chipsets you can program)
Also, Dwarf Fortress. :smile.gif:
You should check them both out! I'm sure you would enjoy them!
I actually prefer Dwarf Fortress to Minecraft sometimes. :smile.gif:
In financial accounting, assets are economic resources. Anything tangible or intangible that is capable of being owned or controlled to produce value and that is held to have positive economic value is considered an asset.
I don't know where you're getting these facts from dude, but a video game is an Asset. So you're saying as a customer, I should just buy my product and shut up about it?
Okay, that works really well in business. I wonder how far you'll go with that attitude.
In financial accounting, assets are economic resources. Anything tangible or intangible that is capable of being owned or controlled to produce value and that is held to have positive economic value is considered an asset.
Simply stated, assets represent ownership of value that can be converted into cash. Minecraft does not fit the description last time I checked. Because I am pretty sure re-sale of it was strictly prohibited? I'm not 100% sure of that though but you can feel free to look that up for me if you want.
I don't need to look it up, I worked for UbiSoft for years. Video games are assets.
If it isn't, then what are Mojangs assets? Assets are what a company produces. Minecraft can be converted into cash, as it's a program that Mojang sells. It might not be re-sellable, but it' is an Asset.
That's just it, if it is not "re-sellable" it can not be labelled as an "asset" by your definition. Which is actually just the wiki definition, but yeah, by the wiki definition which is your definition minecraft can't be an asset.
Oh I’m sorry, I guess YOU made the assumption that I was talking about Mojang selling minecraft being illegal. I’m sorry, I over-estimated you. It seems to me like you would be pleading stupidity if you were arguing that this entire time you thought I meant Minecraft (under Mojang’s ownership) would be illegal to sell. Who do you think I meant it would be illegal to sell for? The tooth fairy? It is not my shortcoming if you thought I was talking about Mojang.
And you asked for something about minecraft’s terms of use? You probably should have read that before you bought the game.
G mod is kinda close. It's not as cool (can't change the landscape) but it's not cube based and it runs on the source engine.
The things that are close in gmod is the ability to build and design objects with materials, you can glue and bolt them together, as well as wire mod (which is an addition, for free) in which you can basically do what redstone does, but you don't need giant schematics and it's more like electronic circuitry (you have chipsets you can program)
Also, Dwarf Fortress. :smile.gif:
You should check them both out! I'm sure you would enjoy them!
I actually prefer Dwarf Fortress to Minecraft sometimes. :smile.gif:
I have gmod. Yes, there are other games that have offered you creative control. That alone is not what makes minecraft so popular. One aspect is ease of use. It is certainly easier to start building with minecraft than to try bolting things together in gmod. But for all its creative potential, gmod is pure sandbox. There is no gameplay to it. Minecraft did not take off and explode in popularity until survival mode, where it blended the resource gathering elements and general existance of gameplay with creativity.
And dwarf fortress suffers from a severe lack of accessibility. Because of this I have not actually played it myself, but I've heard quite a bit about it, and I acknowledge there are similarities. But it is still a very different game.
And despite some similarities, minecraft is very different from both of them. You can't just point out a few similar elements and say the game is not unique. I could point at portal and say it is a FPS built on the source engine. Yet, it is clearly a unique game despite those similarities. I could point at other physics based puzzle games.
Oh I’m sorry, I guess YOU made the assumption that I was talking about Mojang selling minecraft being illegal. I’m sorry, I over-estimated you. It seems to me like you would be pleading stupidity if you were arguing that this entire time you thought I meant Minecraft (under Mojang’s ownership) would be illegal to sell. Who do you think I meant it would be illegal to sell for? The tooth fairy? It is not my shortcoming if you thought I was talking about Mojang.
And you asked for something about minecraft’s terms of use? You probably should have read that before you bought the game.
Maybe you should read it, it says nothing about re-selling your Minecraft account.
It seems like you have no idea what you're talking about or what your point is. You just said that assets need to be "liquidable" and that you can't legally turn minecraft into cash. Seriously man. You are ALL OVER the place with your argument.
I have gmod. Yes, there are other games that have offered you creative control. That alone is not what makes minecraft so popular. One aspect is ease of use. It is certainly easier to start building with minecraft than to try bolting things together in gmod. But for all its creative potential, gmod is pure sandbox. There is no gameplay to it. Minecraft did not take off and explode in popularity until survival mode, where it blended the resource gathering elements and general existance of gameplay with creativity.
And dwarf fortress suffers from a severe lack of accessibility. Because of this I have not actually played it myself, but I've heard quite a bit about it, and I acknowledge there are similarities. But it is still a very different game.
And despite some similarities, minecraft is very different from both of them. You can't just point out a few similar elements and say the game is not unique. I could point at portal and say it is a FPS built on the source engine. Yet, it is clearly a unique game despite those similarities. I could point at other physics based puzzle games.
Eh, well I tried to show you something similar, since that's what you asked for. :tongue.gif:
G mod has a survival mode as well BTW. There was a survival mod that was like Minecraft where you had to gather wood and you could get resources and stuff, but it was limited because the source engine was huge. Minecrafts engine is fairly simple, so it allows for much more content on older machines. It's just more accessable! :smile.gif:
Maybe you should read it, it says nothing about re-selling your Minecraft account.
It seems like you have no idea what you're talking about or what your point is. You just said that assets need to be "liquidable" and that you can't legally turn minecraft into cash. Seriously man. You are ALL OVER the place with your argument.
Maybe you should re-read the terms. Selling your minecraft account is a form of distributing and YOUR account falls in the terms of the agreement. Heck, I dare you to post up a topic on these forums about selling a minecraft account, link me to it, so I can report and we can see if the moderators agree with me if it breaks the terms.
So you're saying that there exists such a thing as buggy leaks? Madness, I say. It's all poor development and a grind on the middle class!
Point taken. But then again, maybe I don't find pleasure in walls of flame-riddled text. Your reply was more than acceptable though.
You could only begin to have that be a sensible claim if you start with the premise that you have not already gotten your money's worth. Are you willing to say minecraft has not been worth the ~$20 it costs?
Furthermore, its not your money. Its their money. You gave it to them in exchange for minecraft. Yo uare not a stock holder, you don't have shares in the company. Buying the game does not give you any control over mojang. You wouldn't tell minute maid "I bought your lemonade, and I'm not happy with how you are spending that money". You bought a product, as is, with the promise that your would get any updates to the game up until release. At no point was the arrangement "I'll give you my $20 if you include features x,y, and z in the game". At no point did they say " We will add these features if you buy the game". Esp. since in most cases, you buy the game, and later they say "we are adding the adventure update!". You would have no justification to claim that failure to add content announced after you bought the game invalidated your purchase agreement.
You bought a product. You gave them money, they gave you minecraft, and now they can use that money however they please. End of story.
Dude. Why are you argueing this with me?
You NEED to read a book.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intangible_asset
Legal intangibles are known under the generic term intellectual property and generate legal property rights defensible in a court of law.
Computer software is an asset. Patents, copyrights, and trade secrets are all assets. You can convert Minecraft into cash as well.
Seriously dude, it's apparent you have a 101 level understanding and you're arguing with someone who does this for a living.
There are many different kinds of assets, and the game is changing EVERY DAY. a 101 understanding from a high school economics class is not going to help you in the least here. Please, stop making yourself look incompetent. It's actually rather annoying.
I'm sure you're going to say how patents and copyrights and trade secrets are all liquid-able. What about knowledge and know-how which is considered a competitive intangible? You can't liquidate knowledge.
You do this for living? Maybe you should consider a new job because you are obviously reading it all wrong. Copyrights for one, can be bought, sold, etc. Actually, I am little shocked someone like you would not know this, seemed pretty obvious to me that Copyrights fit the EXACT definition of asset. Patents I don't have as much expertise in so I don't know about them. But it doesn't really matter does it. Now maybe YOU don't agree with me, but from a legal stand point, if the government or debtors were to seize ALL of your assets, they wouldn't not even count minecraft as one because it is as I am saying.
So I don't need some acclaimed expert on the matter
saying things that ARE untruelying on the matter. And knowledge you can liquidate to some degree, you can sell an idea, you can trademark it. Saying you can’t sell or buy an idea is as ignorant as saying you can't own an idea. Yes, you can. By definition financial asset means it has a positive economical value that can be converted into cash. If your idea or knowledge does not have this, it can NOT be considered an asset.Every item that you have listed as “intangible”, but not “Competitive Intangible” have met the requirements that I have listed. You are just too arrogant to see that. Competitive intangibles, ARE legally non-ownable. All the “ownable” assets that were legally called assets you have listed are “legally” assets by definition. So again I have proved you wrong.
Why do you think the wikipedia goes out of it's way to mention that cash IS an asset? BECAUSE, cash does NOT meet the definition of asset. It is an exception, and they clearly list it as an asset specifically because it does NOT meet the definition of asset. It does not meet this definition because of EVERYTHING I have been saying. Last time I checked, you used wikipedia as a trusted source to prove your claims about this EXACT subject, are you disagreeing with it now?
So when it boils down to this, IF you actually do this for a living like you say (which you sure have stated you do a lot of things for living within these last 10 pages or so) I kindly suggest you make a new living, with something you are more educated in, because I sure as hell would not trust you with your incompetence on your own profession if you can't even see clearly what IS and what IS NOT an asset by financial terms. Heck, maybe I should go into financial accounting as I seem to know more than someone who is educated in the subject and this is just on the basics too.
Like a slack jawed idiot you read the first paragraph of the page and thought it completely agreed with you. You obviously stopped reading right then and there. Hey, if it makes you feel any better, you can report me if you feel you have lost, like you did last you got into an argument with me. That way no one can read that you got your ass handed to you. I suppose it will be hard to explain to the mod that you were the one who was rude in the first place, but I’m sure if you get past that little embarrassment he will happily delete all the little posts for you like last time.
And As far as I am concerned, your intangible argument is invalid, further strengthen by the fact that you forgot to read the bottom on the page you posted as your “supposed“ evidence. “The International Accounting Standards Board (IASB) offers some guidance (IAS 38) as to how intangible assets should be accounted for in financial statements. In general, legal intangibles that are developed internally are not recognized and legal intangibles that are purchased from third-parties are recognized. Wordings are similar to IAS 9.”
When YOU can convince to the government that minecraft is legally a financial ASSET I will admit I'm wrong. Until then, I don't need you too admit YOU are wrong. I have the majority that agrees with me from a legal stand point, which is terms financial accounting are bound by.
So until you come back with that PROOF you might as well stop posting nonsense which ONLY serves to embarrass yourself(especially with all these false claims of being an expert in these various fields). I have already provided proof that minecraft under your ownership is not an asset. While under Mojang’s ownership yes, but not yours. Which is exactly what I have been saying this entire time.
Maybe Toric should grap a napkin, because he just got served! XD
Very well thought out post, that I didn't finish reading. Mainly because you just used the internet to research something you know nothing about.
Minecraft is the Intellectual Property of Mojang, and is thus an asset to the company. Not only that you're basing this off US law, and the company and intellectual property in question (the asset) is from Sweden. If the Swedish government were to seize and acquire Mojang, they would also acquire Minecraft.
Edit: BTW I read part of your post, and you proved my point by saying you can sell an idea. Minecraft isn't an idea? You should probably stop insulting people and read a book, kid.
Edit 2: Regarding your last paragraph, I never said it was my asset. I said it was Mojangs asset. Learn to read, start with books.
Later dude.
P.S. An asset owned by an individual is never ever referred to as an asset, it is referred to as personal property, and may be referred to as a "personal asset" in certain courts of law.
The bolded part is obviously the most sense you have made all day.
You know, in almost all cases that is what someone says when they have lost an argument, but hey, maybe you are an exception.
My old posts have stated very clearly what I was arguing from the start. I was never arguing if minecraft is an asset in Mojang’s ownership. I have been VERY CLEAR with my past posts that when YOU own minecraft it is not an asset. Maybe you should learn to read posts. Start with the small ones first I guess.
So where did I say owning Minecraft is an asset to me? I want quotes.
Also, where in the end user agreement does it say I can't sell my Minecraft account? If that's what you're argument is.
Most people consider minecraft to be one of the most price-efficient purchases they have ever made. Purely on an "hours of enjoyment/price" ratio, it stands out. And while it does get buggier, it also expands in features. Honestly, comparing the game now to when I first purchased it, it has well more than twice the content and potential. You have never known a product to increase in price over its lifetime because minecraft has followed a unique development cycle. Hav eyou ever been able to purchase a game in pre-alpha stages? Do you really think it isn't reasonable to offer a discount for an incomplete game?
And there are examples of games that have effectively increased in price as time goes by. Take the sims. Sure, the price of the core game may have dropped, but the ever-increasing number of expansions drove the total price of the "complete" experience ever skyward. New content is added to the game, and the price increases. Minecraft is adding content and developing, and as such, they are raising the price. The price of the released version has not once changed. It isstill following the pricing model Notch laid out in alpha; 50% off in alpha, 25% off in beta, full price upon release.
Minecraft is getting buggier because it is in a feature push stage right now. They are focusing on adding a large amount of content, which comes with new and interesting bugs. After the new content is added, they are going into a bug fixing phase. This is normal, its just that people are not normally playing the game in this phase.
Really? Barely anything unique about minecraft? Point me at a game that is anything like it. The closest you get is stuff like infiniminer, and that is only similar at the most basic level.
G mod is kinda close. It's not as cool (can't change the landscape) but it's not cube based and it runs on the source engine.
The things that are close in gmod is the ability to build and design objects with materials, you can glue and bolt them together, as well as wire mod (which is an addition, for free) in which you can basically do what redstone does, but you don't need giant schematics and it's more like electronic circuitry (you have chipsets you can program)
Also, Dwarf Fortress. :smile.gif:
You should check them both out! I'm sure you would enjoy them!
I actually prefer Dwarf Fortress to Minecraft sometimes. :smile.gif:
Oh I’m sorry, I guess YOU made the assumption that I was talking about Mojang selling minecraft being illegal. I’m sorry, I over-estimated you. It seems to me like you would be pleading stupidity if you were arguing that this entire time you thought I meant Minecraft (under Mojang’s ownership) would be illegal to sell. Who do you think I meant it would be illegal to sell for? The tooth fairy? It is not my shortcoming if you thought I was talking about Mojang.
And you asked for something about minecraft’s terms of use? You probably should have read that before you bought the game.
http://www.minecraft.net/terms
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright
I have gmod. Yes, there are other games that have offered you creative control. That alone is not what makes minecraft so popular. One aspect is ease of use. It is certainly easier to start building with minecraft than to try bolting things together in gmod. But for all its creative potential, gmod is pure sandbox. There is no gameplay to it. Minecraft did not take off and explode in popularity until survival mode, where it blended the resource gathering elements and general existance of gameplay with creativity.
And dwarf fortress suffers from a severe lack of accessibility. Because of this I have not actually played it myself, but I've heard quite a bit about it, and I acknowledge there are similarities. But it is still a very different game.
And despite some similarities, minecraft is very different from both of them. You can't just point out a few similar elements and say the game is not unique. I could point at portal and say it is a FPS built on the source engine. Yet, it is clearly a unique game despite those similarities. I could point at other physics based puzzle games.
Maybe you should read it, it says nothing about re-selling your Minecraft account.
It seems like you have no idea what you're talking about or what your point is. You just said that assets need to be "liquidable" and that you can't legally turn minecraft into cash. Seriously man. You are ALL OVER the place with your argument.
Eh, well I tried to show you something similar, since that's what you asked for. :tongue.gif:
G mod has a survival mode as well BTW. There was a survival mod that was like Minecraft where you had to gather wood and you could get resources and stuff, but it was limited because the source engine was huge. Minecrafts engine is fairly simple, so it allows for much more content on older machines. It's just more accessable! :smile.gif:
Maybe you should re-read the terms. Selling your minecraft account is a form of distributing and YOUR account falls in the terms of the agreement. Heck, I dare you to post up a topic on these forums about selling a minecraft account, link me to it, so I can report and we can see if the moderators agree with me if it breaks the terms.