I may agree that some guys upset because the game is at the moment really slow.
If you bought the game in alpha it was a very good fast development and since the sales hit millions and his bank account is filled with green paper he got lazy.
But he's not thinking only with us, he made minecraft for the purpose to make money, I don't know why you upset if he now gets another project and may spend the money.
He found the "golden niche" of gaming - let him live.
The game itself only needs a mod support that works to be honest. So we can use mods in multiplayer.
I only payed 8 bucks for minecraft and got more playtimes out it then any other AAA Title since ever made.
I kind of think you guys forget some times that minecraft is not an MMO and every update he deliver you are not paying a cent for.
He develops the game because he wants to and not because he wants to get richer and richer, sure he may want to sell the game but come on...
Have you ever coded in java? Did you know how painful it is to make a game sandbox like this in 3D?
Don't forget he's not charging anyone for setting up a server and make money, too.
There are many servers with premium content and he's not even thinking to make an AGB for it that you have to share your money with him.
I'm not a Notch Fan boy, I think he's lazy yes, but minecraft is not his own thing in his live to be.
As a developer myself I can say that working on only one project will get you a burnout because you have to satisfy everyone not only the people who telling "you are being lazy".
And to be honest minecraft is great - the next patch will come when it's finished - it's the small things that made minecraft a great game not things like gathering a bunch of items or killing huge bosses like in other games.
Thanks for your reply.
I understand that Minecraft is a source of income for him and I'm not at all bothered that he may be spending that money on the development of another game, that's how game developers get by as far as I know. Notch was involved in the creation of a game that made a ton of money, he should reap the benefits of that. I just think the way development is being conducted right now betrays a somewhat outrageous side of Notch that I honestly think will cause his company a good bit of harm in the long run.
What I'm trying to point out is that Mojang is a company. A good company (a bad company can still make a good product, just like a good company can make a bad product) is one that is concerned with how its customers view them. A customer who is unhappy with the services he/she receives will very rarely return to that same business (ie, Me not planning to give Mojang any more of my money). It's harder work to be a good and respected company though, and I can't say one way or the other what exactly Notch is looking for out of his company. He's probably already made enough money to just do whatever he feels like, so it's entirely possible he'll just keep at it like he has been.
On the other hand, I know for a fact that a renewed effort on the part of Mojang to release accurate information and be able to stick to timelines (except for major issues, which I'm sure creep up from time to time) would really quell a lot of uneasiness that some of their customers are feeling. If it proved to be something they stuck with and did well I would even reconsider my little personal boycott.
To answer your question, no, I've got no experience doing any sort of computer coding beyond the basic HTML/Java class that I took back in 1998 in highschool. I'm sure all that is obsolete now anyway. I do understand that it can be a very mentally taxing thing to do, pouring over thousands of lines of code looking for that one messed up line or those two values that don't mesh up (or whatever coders spend their time doing =P). But at the same time, Notch is still selling copies of Minecraft by the day. He didn't necessarily choose the level of success that he achieved with Minecraft, but he did choose to be a game developer, and on top of that chose to make a legitimate business out of it. With that said, it is totally his decision on how to run that company. It seems to me though that he bit off a little more success than he really wants to deal with. He enjoys the fame and fortune, but it seems clear (to me at least) that the increased pressure of providing a service to a massive and demanding audience is a bit too much for him and his coworkers. Either that or he just really doesn't care what his customers think, which is entirely possible as well.
To clarify something i *keep* seeing people say to me...
I'm pretty sure (haven't slept yet... memory is a bit hazy... could be wrong) that I haven't once in this thread said anything to the effect of "Notch needs to get off his lazy bum and get to work on Minecraft until its done". What I have asked for is more honest communication from Notch/Mojang. I've made no demands or ultimatums or anything goofy like that.
Can we please just drop the whole "Notch isnt ur slave!!" thing once and for all? Noone in this thread is even suggesting that.
1.8 isn't finished, the demo was to get initial feedback and show progress (and promote the game). It's a big splashy update to maintain interest in the game. It's ambitious, and I think Mojang recognize this. That's why they've split it up into two parts.
Jens is a capable programmer and has given us lots of good stuff in previous updates, and solved bugs in others
Notch likes Minecraft, but he also likes other games and has other projects. Mojang =/= Minecraft
Mojang is a small company producing qualitative goods, which take time to become market-ready. Deadlines and production schedules need to be flexible otherwise you get crappy buggy games rushed to market.
Mojang makes a few million a year, but has like 8 employees to pay at US$48K-$70K a year plus travel & promotion costs, legal fees, continuing professional education/development, licensing fees, rent, webhosting, etc.
I don't agree with some of the roguelike RPG elements of 1.8 but it is a beta test, these may be rolled back or tweaked (hopefully taken out, for the most part)
Scrolls and other Mojang games may turn out to be more lucrative/popular than Minecraft, and/or Notch likes these genres better. The 1.8 update is partially in response to the immense popularity of roguelike RPGs and hunger mods, difficulty mods, realism mods, Millénaire, etc. People like this kind of stuff, and Mojang is responding to this desire by introducing some of it into their flagship sandbox game. Later they may build a proper RPG from the ground up which seems to be what Scrolls is all about.
Java is a somewhat peculiar choice for coding a game of this sort. I don't actually know anything about game code but I've seen multiple comments to this effect, and perhaps this is slowing them down somewhat.
Most of the basics of the game engine is in place, so it’s time to flesh this game out into something more gamey. More content, more exploration, more things to do, and interesting combat! Once this update is out, there will only some tweaks, optimizations and code cleanups left to the core game before we can call it a full release.
Not really. This update will only deliver half of what you promised and will be very far from the status of "full release". At least another update will be needed.
We’ve got a list of some 40+ things we want to add to the game, some small, some big. Some huge. We’ve finished a fair number of the items, but there’s still a significant amount of work left. While I can’t reveal the date yet for various reasons, we do have a release date for the Adventure Update in mind, and we’re hoping we’ll be able to hit it.
Sorry you didn't and are forced to spit it in two parts, we know **** happens.
Jens and I are keeping the exact contents of the update secret, but we do leak some information every now and then to keep people interested and to stop us from going insane. For the most immediate spoilers, you can follow us on Twitter (@notch and @jeb_), or on Google+ (+Markus Persson and +Jens Bergensten).
I wonder what you're talking about, since everything seen in PAX was already known before; unless you're talking about ivy, that was really a surprise for me. Actually, leaked infos are more than working stuff on the demo: what happened to town borders, territory claiming, animal persistence and breeding etc? "Leak some information", more "make people drool on unfinished, unconfirmed stuff".
Here are a few of the things we’ve revealed so far:
NPC villages
Randomly generated dungeons
New biome code
Fully working Creative Mode (and individual admins can enter Creative Mode on a Survival Mode server if they choose)
Critical hits
Sprinting
More farming options
As soon as I can reveal the release date we’re aiming for, I will!
I bet the actual release date will be revealed on the release date. We barely know half of what promised will be out in "a few" weeks, let alone know when the other half will. You just don't know, dude, it's fine, just don't pretend you know.
Oh, and the modding support is happening, honest.
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Two months my ass. If 1.8 will be released mid september it would be 2.5 months for the first half only, and the second who knows. I call that "delay". But, seriously, I don't want Notch to work faster, better, whatever. He works as he's able to do and I'm ok with that. I just take his words with a grain of salt, the dude doesn't know the difference between "I wish" and "I will".
Why is it that most of the threads stating the bad practice of Mojang or it's members seem to be complaining that there's actual PROGRESS being made on Minecraft...?
I mean really...if it had been a week since 1.8 was first heard of, none of these threads would be here. As soon as an update reaches a certain amount of time in development, suddenly the company isn't doing it's job properly.
-amazing-
Yet another poster who couldn't be bothered to read my original post. -amazing- (see what I did there?)
I don't see how a completely gutted 1.8 adventure update, an update whose features have been scattered to the great unknowns of update 1.9+ (if then), can be called progress? In the middle of all of this, the lead developer for the game decides he wants to work on something else, because "my part of the job is done yo.", and so he resolves to take a 2 week vacation from Minecraft. I can't say that I agree with you on "progress" comment.
I'm not posting because "it's been XX days since 1.7.3, WHERE'S MAH 1.8 *RAWR*". In one of my more recent posts here I specifically stated that I honestly don't care when 1.8 comes out.
The company isn't doing its job properly, in my opinion, because they are acting like a bunch of amateurs who made it big and don't know how to properly deal with it. If Notch wants to only work part-time/when he feels like it, he could announce that Minecraft development will be on a much more relaxed schedule and that expectations shouldn't be set very high. Or maybe he could hire a proper development team to keep things moving along without his constant input.
It seems to me that Notch just wants to have his cake and eat it too.
"Why is it takeing SOO long for the updaes?"
Becuse the modding comunaty was complaying (and the modders them selv(ive heard)) that they just gotten ther mod done then BAMM minecraft updated, thats why.
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why dont you fly/drive to stockholm then to slussen and go and talk to notch? i can do that, dunno what they think if a 13 yr old kid came by there offies
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and also i support:
"Why is it takeing SOO long for the updaes?"
Becuse the modding comunaty was complaying (and the modders them selv(ive heard)) that they just gotten ther mod done then BAMM minecraft updated, thats why.
hey, don't blame it on the modding fans, people over on the modding boards are mostly just as annoyed as you guys are here.
-Notch takes 2 week break from Minecraft development during crunch time of 1.8 release to work on another game.
Considering that from the sounds of things, the last remaining features are in Jens court, this makes sense. Besides, contrarians typically are huge fans of Jens and would prefer that he worked on minecraft rather than Notch anyway.
-Notch details why his cash shop would destroy the Minecraft community if those who played the game on steam couldn't access it.
And> (I'm not sure what you mean here? How does this make you lose respect for Mojang? Have you ever read the requirements for getting something on steam? You damn near have to sell your soul to Valve, and in Notch's case, he's already married.
-1.8 is arriving later than expected, and it doesn't appear that we'll be getting a "complete" 1.8 for some time to come. (Lets not forgot we've still got bugfixes and promises from previous updates that haven't materialized yet) [/b]
As others have said, there was no release date, so "later than expected" is purely subjective. And the various PAX videos are showcasing new features. There is no reason for them to go around "oh and we fixed this bug" Because that just isn't interesting. Honestly I've never understood the fascination players have with the bugs and how they instantly make the software ****. None of them are game-breaking or make worlds unplayable (anymore) so while fixing them is important, not fixing them wouldn't be the end of the world. (And given the material I've read of their twitters and Blogs, it would seem that they did fix many bugs since 1.7.3).
He is, to the average Minecrafter, the dude who made/developed/invented the game (regardless of whether it's true).
If it's not true- than what is? Calling it an "infiniminer clone" would be outright stupid, because minecraft is nearly completely different from infiniminer. it would be like calling all FPS games Doom clones. While there is an ounce of truth there, that ounce get's pretty bloody diluted.
and also due to Notchs own inability to put his ego aside and set people straight about the true nature of the games development.
Now it is a group effort, with Notch and Jens working on it. It was, originally, just him, so... I'm not sure what your understanding of Minecrafts early days are, but they sound inaccurate. Notch has tried to tell people that he isn't the only one working on the game but the fans never listen so he gave up.
[b]From Notchs twitter~[/b] [b]Jens will be the lead minecraft dev for a while because of a super secret project I will be working on for two weeks.[/b]
Yes, you read that correct. Notch is "taking a break" (as if he hasn't had enough) from Minecraft to work on an entirely different project...
Typically, when you place something in quotes, you are quoting something. in this case, there is no mention of a break in the twitter so not sure what you are quoting. Obviously you are paraphrasing his statement for your own self-serving ends, which in this case is to try to vilify him in some manner.
I'd imagine Notch is wealthy enough from Minecraft sales alone that he doesn't *need* to produce a new game right away from any sort of financial point of view.
Ha... you just did exactly the same thing you bitched about before, and ignored the true nature of the games development. More importantly, it doesn't matter how much money a company has, the very purpose of their existence is to make games. Profit may be the point of the venue, but that doesn't mean they base their R&D and the creation of other products purely on how healthy their bottom-line is. If a company was to do that, they'd screw themselves.
Let's not forget he's involved in the development of the more recently announced Mojang title "Scrolls" as well.
What's your point? I don't think he's a coder for that game, though.
[b]Even though Minecraft development seems slow and unsatisfying these days, Notch is of the opinion that he has no real obligation to help speed the progress along. Instead he chooses to enter weekend long game contests and work on his other (non-minecraft) game projects.[/b]
Dude, we paid him 15 euros. We didn't buy his soul.
To any person with a conscious, that mountain of wealth (earned from Minecraft sales) would be an incredible motivator to complete the project that so many millions have paid him [b]in good faith[/b] to complete.
Honestly, I'd like to say I have a conscience, but reading egocentric posts by my fans like this would only serve to strengthen my understanding of the "unpleasable fanbase" trope. Most of the people who bought the game have been through at least one update, and those that haven't are probably far more patient in regards to the games development. Also, I like to think of the price being for the software. Updates are just a perk. Besides I recall that the price is lower for beta was lower for alpha in the case that minecraft stopped being developed for whatever reason. That is, people purchasing the game in Alpha and Beta got a discount because they effectively weren't buying a finished product.
Yes, we knowingly purchased a product that was incomplete, but that purchase also included a promise of continued development for an unnamed period of time. Unfortunately we were never given any sort of development schedule and the guys at Mojang seem to be cool with a decidedly lazy approach to pretty much everything concerning Minecraft.
How so? It takes time to develop. Notch, and Mojang are not perfect. That is not surprising. What is surprising is that there are people that are surprised. Considering many games take years to develop, all we've done is get a sneak preview of it by buying it in beta (or for some, Alpha, or even indev).
[b]Wait, 1.8 is delayed, is probably going to come to us in incomplete chunks, and there's no mention of resolving any of the longstanding bugs/issues that we've been dealing with? (pistons pushing pistons, redstone wiring circuit-autocomplete, etc)[/b]
1.8 isn't finished yet, and it isn't released. So I don't know where you got this information from.
If the thought of Notch considering a minecraft cash shop while the game itself is still incomplete doesn't get your blood boiling...
It would be weird. Guess it's a good think he wasn't considering a minecraft cash shop outside the hypothetical.
This man has gotten *RICH* off of an incomplete game and is not only content to just let it putter along while the money keeps pouring in, he's trying to figure out ways to make MORE money from it.
People were bitching that the game wasn't on Steam. he responded.
I'm pretty sure the only reason that some of the features are probably being pushed to 1.9 is the same reason pistons were released in 1.7; that is, the fanbase is bitching "OMG release nao", so they'll give what they have and push what isn't yet done to a later release. If anything they care too much about the player base since they seem to do whatever they want half the time. I say they take their time and get it all done, but a lot of other players are frothing "OMG I wanna play 1.8" and complaining about possible release dates being pushed back (all of which are mostly rumour anyway), so they package up some of what they've done into an update to try to appease them in the meantime.
How the **** is minecraft "emotional"? Anybody who feels it is a topic worth passionate argument is a ****ing loser.
You're totally justified in feeling the way that you do. But there was never a date set to begin with. Yes, it is taking a while, and Notch is taking breaks, but he is not bound to Minecraft forever. He is a human being, who can take breaks when he pleases, not a factory machine specifically designed to make Minecraft. It may be unprofessional, but he has made no true commitment on a release date, and when we get it, we get it. Don't get me wrong, I get impatient and disappointed too. But I realize that we can't ask him to dedicate every second to this single game. He is new to wealth and business; he has a right to relish in it. Though I do agree they should go through with certain development promises that they haven't (lanterns, fish). As for breaking it up, it's because people are impatient. They aren't finished, would you rather the whole thing later, or bits now? It's to satiate impatient people.
I don't agree with OP, but I have nothing against him. He may have some points that don't make sense or are just pure fiction, but he also has points that no one can disagree with. He gathered lots of facts that no serious person can argue with.
I kinda respect him altough I don't agree with him. I hope we could all just get along together. People can have their own opinions, right? Please, be mature and don't act like brain dead 10-year olds.
People here are forgetting the reason why they argue, it's because they care about minecraft. People care about it so much that they are forggetting why they argue about it.
Then all the people start to argue without a reason because they don't remember why they argue about it and then everything gets messed up and the only thing reaon why people argue about stuff is because they care about minecraft so much that they argue about it, if someone cares about it so much so he gets paranoid about the developers so they argue about how they don't trust the developers, so the other people start to argue with them because their mind is so messed up, because of they care about minecraft so much so they don't remember why they argue about it, so they argue mindlessy and they start to disagree with everything that the other, paranoid, people think/post even if it's a fact and then they rage about it and more and more people joins the arguement so that the OP, "paranoid" guy, can't response to every post and finally he loses the control and everyone think they beat the "paranoid" guy so they stop/the thread gets locked and the OP can never prove his points PERIOID.
Notch is not your personal slave, let him take his time with his updates, he doesn't need to satify your every "need". you should be happy that he even decided to make this game, it started out as a "experiment" that prooved to be a great game. Just because he's not going out of his way to work day and night on this update for you, your dissapointed in him? I bet you were on of the people that raged when he took a 2 week vacation back in 1.2.
I have participated in many alpha/beta tests and promises are always made and deadlines are often not met with the content that was promised, sometimes it never makes it into game. It happens in game development. This is the first beta I have paid for, twice as a matter of fact for my son and I, but it seems to be on course. The patch will come when it's ready, I would rather have it ready than rushed to only make the game buggier.
I have played games for a long time and have taken part in at least 20 alpha/beta tests and there are always bumps along the road to completion. It will come eventually and I am confidant that with Minecraft being open for modding that if there is content missing from the final game there are creative people out there that will make the mod just for you... If not sit down and create your own mod to bring your vision to the game, the info and software is out there on the internet if you want to do it.
I agree, the amount of time he gets us worked up for a update is ridiculous, but you do have to give him credit for actually making a awesome game for us.
And i hope that you dnot get too many cuz this post is pretty legit.
I'll admit, I was about to post a sarcastic reply.
I really can't be bothered with these types of thread anymore xD
Don't like the way things are? Call Mojang, don't attention-seek or the like on the forums.
This wasn't a plea for attention, it was basically an open letter to the minecraft community and Mojang expressing my current feelings towards their chosen development process.
You can't be bothered with these types of threads.. but you can come in here and sling insults at me? Please try and keep all discussion as civil as possible with as little insulting as possible. Thanks.
Also... *FACEPALM*
I just realized (like I said earlier... havn't slept yet...) that I totally borked up the title of the thread...
Should be *Affected. Oh well.
I'm not completely surprised by the results of the poll so far to be honest. I really didn't expect the lower end (disappointed) to be as high as it is, but I kinda had a gut feeling I wasn't the only one who felt the way I do.
Anyway, yeah this thread kind of blew up and I had no chance at keeping up with all the posts, I'll do what I can to reply to the people who have replied and are interested in a rational discussion.
When Notch officially declared Mojang a business around before/after the Halloween update in 2010, I knew first-hand that Minecraft would slowly plummet due to financial greed that fuels ALL businesses. Content will slowly become less appealing in the future, not all promises will be kept, things will be nerfed, and the money will be the only thing allowed to talk. I played too much Runescape and watched Jagex's constant blunders to foresee what Mojang (and more importantly Notch) is slowly becoming.
However, will this stop me from playing Minecraft? Not at all. Despite Jagex's many screw-ups with Runescape, I kept playing it and acted completely unphased as if nothing happened while the rest of the community theorized the game was slowly spiraling into its own destruction. The same will apply with Minecraft. I'm currently satisfied with what I have (though I'm a little sad at the stalled release of 1.8), and if bad comes to worse, I'm sure a group of modders will hijack the game and make imitations of the actual releases that please the community. Imagine if the creators of the Aether Collab mod made imitation mods of whats coming out in 1.8?
I get what the OP is saying, but I disagree with a lot of expectations of Mojang and Notch.
It's a dead horse but let me beat it one more time, the game is beta, and we either paid for either the Alpha or Beta version of the game, and not the release version of the game. That being said, have you enjoyed the product that you purchased?
But more to the OP's point about Mojang's seemingly lack of focus. That might be true, personally I think that they bit off more then they could chew when they announced the November release date, and that seems to be evident in the delays with 1.8. But it probably had to do with their upcoming deals with Microsoft and Sony. But I don't mind the delay in 1.8, I think it's a symptom underestimating the actual complexity in what they were trying to implement. However the estimated date was just that, estimated, and it was a patch at that, again we're playing a beta. Will it come out, sure, just not this weekend.
Is it a problem that Jeb is taking over the lead at this point? I don't think so. The reason being at this point the vision for what Minecraft is supposed to be is pretty much figured out, it's all about Jeb implementing it now. Does the whole project suffer because Notch is going to work on a new project, yes it probably does. However if it's just coding that needs to be done, let Jeb do that. Nothing against Jeb, but he is just an employee at Mojang, Notch is the reason Mojang exists and his talents are probably better served for the company to work on what is coming next, at least getting a view ideas rolling. After release Notch probably won't be working on Minecraft at all, they'll hire programmers, and then consult Notch on what he thinks the game needs as far as add-ons later on. But until proven otherwise Notch is the head game designer at Mojang and as a company they need him thinking about the next great thing, not programming the last great thing.
One final note, we should be so thankful that Notch and the rest of Mojang are so open with their customers about the development process. Sure it's been a fantastic marketing tool, but so many companies out there really do leave their customers in the dark. We see pretty much every single idea that has come up in the development of the game and then we get upset that it isn't in the game instantly. This is the reason why companies keep quiet, they don't want to deal with the rage that comes from their fanbase when an estimated release date is missed. Notch said that he was hoping to have it out by the end of August or September, everyone took that as written stone, it wasn't it was a goal.
In the end, just be happy for what Mojang has given us. A fun game, open communication about the development, and an ongoing effort to keep developing their game even after millions in sales. Sure we'd all like it to be out faster and Notch shouldn't sleep until it's done, but let's be real, if Mojang is going to survive as a company then it needs to have something in the pipeline for after Minecraft. And everyone deserves a vacation from time to time.
Now if the game is "released" as being final, and stuff is seriously broken and not getting fixed then by all means rage on.
Ok, all that being said, get your :Flint and Steel: ready and light me up.
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From what aspect do you even write your thread?
I can tell you something,
Game developing is painful, especially when it comes to bigger games like minecraft.
(I started to develop games by myself[Alone], It is hard to develop a great game,
Mojang just tries its best).
The community just excpect more than mojang can give,
I think you arent patient enough to wait for the update.
Two months is bad? xD
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Thanks for your reply.
I understand that Minecraft is a source of income for him and I'm not at all bothered that he may be spending that money on the development of another game, that's how game developers get by as far as I know. Notch was involved in the creation of a game that made a ton of money, he should reap the benefits of that. I just think the way development is being conducted right now betrays a somewhat outrageous side of Notch that I honestly think will cause his company a good bit of harm in the long run.
What I'm trying to point out is that Mojang is a company. A good company (a bad company can still make a good product, just like a good company can make a bad product) is one that is concerned with how its customers view them. A customer who is unhappy with the services he/she receives will very rarely return to that same business (ie, Me not planning to give Mojang any more of my money). It's harder work to be a good and respected company though, and I can't say one way or the other what exactly Notch is looking for out of his company. He's probably already made enough money to just do whatever he feels like, so it's entirely possible he'll just keep at it like he has been.
On the other hand, I know for a fact that a renewed effort on the part of Mojang to release accurate information and be able to stick to timelines (except for major issues, which I'm sure creep up from time to time) would really quell a lot of uneasiness that some of their customers are feeling. If it proved to be something they stuck with and did well I would even reconsider my little personal boycott.
To answer your question, no, I've got no experience doing any sort of computer coding beyond the basic HTML/Java class that I took back in 1998 in highschool. I'm sure all that is obsolete now anyway. I do understand that it can be a very mentally taxing thing to do, pouring over thousands of lines of code looking for that one messed up line or those two values that don't mesh up (or whatever coders spend their time doing =P). But at the same time, Notch is still selling copies of Minecraft by the day. He didn't necessarily choose the level of success that he achieved with Minecraft, but he did choose to be a game developer, and on top of that chose to make a legitimate business out of it. With that said, it is totally his decision on how to run that company. It seems to me though that he bit off a little more success than he really wants to deal with. He enjoys the fame and fortune, but it seems clear (to me at least) that the increased pressure of providing a service to a massive and demanding audience is a bit too much for him and his coworkers. Either that or he just really doesn't care what his customers think, which is entirely possible as well.
To clarify something i *keep* seeing people say to me...
I'm pretty sure (haven't slept yet... memory is a bit hazy... could be wrong) that I haven't once in this thread said anything to the effect of "Notch needs to get off his lazy bum and get to work on Minecraft until its done". What I have asked for is more honest communication from Notch/Mojang. I've made no demands or ultimatums or anything goofy like that.
Can we please just drop the whole "Notch isnt ur slave!!" thing once and for all? Noone in this thread is even suggesting that.
Sorry you didn't and are forced to spit it in two parts, we know **** happens.
I wonder what you're talking about, since everything seen in PAX was already known before; unless you're talking about ivy, that was really a surprise for me. Actually, leaked infos are more than working stuff on the demo: what happened to town borders, territory claiming, animal persistence and breeding etc? "Leak some information", more "make people drool on unfinished, unconfirmed stuff".
I bet the actual release date will be revealed on the release date. We barely know half of what promised will be out in "a few" weeks, let alone know when the other half will. You just don't know, dude, it's fine, just don't pretend you know.
Should I laugh?
Two months my ass. If 1.8 will be released mid september it would be 2.5 months for the first half only, and the second who knows. I call that "delay". But, seriously, I don't want Notch to work faster, better, whatever. He works as he's able to do and I'm ok with that. I just take his words with a grain of salt, the dude doesn't know the difference between "I wish" and "I will".
Yet another poster who couldn't be bothered to read my original post. -amazing- (see what I did there?)
I don't see how a completely gutted 1.8 adventure update, an update whose features have been scattered to the great unknowns of update 1.9+ (if then), can be called progress? In the middle of all of this, the lead developer for the game decides he wants to work on something else, because "my part of the job is done yo.", and so he resolves to take a 2 week vacation from Minecraft. I can't say that I agree with you on "progress" comment.
I'm not posting because "it's been XX days since 1.7.3, WHERE'S MAH 1.8 *RAWR*". In one of my more recent posts here I specifically stated that I honestly don't care when 1.8 comes out.
The company isn't doing its job properly, in my opinion, because they are acting like a bunch of amateurs who made it big and don't know how to properly deal with it. If Notch wants to only work part-time/when he feels like it, he could announce that Minecraft development will be on a much more relaxed schedule and that expectations shouldn't be set very high. Or maybe he could hire a proper development team to keep things moving along without his constant input.
It seems to me that Notch just wants to have his cake and eat it too.
"Why is it takeing SOO long for the updaes?"
Becuse the modding comunaty was complaying (and the modders them selv(ive heard)) that they just gotten ther mod done then BAMM minecraft updated, thats why.
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why dont you fly/drive to stockholm then to slussen and go and talk to notch? i can do that, dunno what they think if a 13 yr old kid came by there offies
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sometime what i type soundes better when im typing it!!
and also i support:
hey, don't blame it on the modding fans, people over on the modding boards are mostly just as annoyed as you guys are here.
I really can't be bothered with these types of thread anymore xD
Don't like the way things are? Call Mojang, don't attention-seek or the like on the forums.
Considering that from the sounds of things, the last remaining features are in Jens court, this makes sense. Besides, contrarians typically are huge fans of Jens and would prefer that he worked on minecraft rather than Notch anyway.
And> (I'm not sure what you mean here? How does this make you lose respect for Mojang? Have you ever read the requirements for getting something on steam? You damn near have to sell your soul to Valve, and in Notch's case, he's already married.
As others have said, there was no release date, so "later than expected" is purely subjective. And the various PAX videos are showcasing new features. There is no reason for them to go around "oh and we fixed this bug" Because that just isn't interesting. Honestly I've never understood the fascination players have with the bugs and how they instantly make the software ****. None of them are game-breaking or make worlds unplayable (anymore) so while fixing them is important, not fixing them wouldn't be the end of the world. (And given the material I've read of their twitters and Blogs, it would seem that they did fix many bugs since 1.7.3).
If it's not true- than what is? Calling it an "infiniminer clone" would be outright stupid, because minecraft is nearly completely different from infiniminer. it would be like calling all FPS games Doom clones. While there is an ounce of truth there, that ounce get's pretty bloody diluted.
Now it is a group effort, with Notch and Jens working on it. It was, originally, just him, so... I'm not sure what your understanding of Minecrafts early days are, but they sound inaccurate. Notch has tried to tell people that he isn't the only one working on the game but the fans never listen so he gave up.
Typically, when you place something in quotes, you are quoting something. in this case, there is no mention of a break in the twitter so not sure what you are quoting. Obviously you are paraphrasing his statement for your own self-serving ends, which in this case is to try to vilify him in some manner.
Ha... you just did exactly the same thing you bitched about before, and ignored the true nature of the games development. More importantly, it doesn't matter how much money a company has, the very purpose of their existence is to make games. Profit may be the point of the venue, but that doesn't mean they base their R&D and the creation of other products purely on how healthy their bottom-line is. If a company was to do that, they'd screw themselves.
What's your point? I don't think he's a coder for that game, though.
Dude, we paid him 15 euros. We didn't buy his soul.
Honestly, I'd like to say I have a conscience, but reading egocentric posts by my fans like this would only serve to strengthen my understanding of the "unpleasable fanbase" trope. Most of the people who bought the game have been through at least one update, and those that haven't are probably far more patient in regards to the games development. Also, I like to think of the price being for the software. Updates are just a perk. Besides I recall that the price is lower for beta was lower for alpha in the case that minecraft stopped being developed for whatever reason. That is, people purchasing the game in Alpha and Beta got a discount because they effectively weren't buying a finished product.
How so? It takes time to develop. Notch, and Mojang are not perfect. That is not surprising. What is surprising is that there are people that are surprised. Considering many games take years to develop, all we've done is get a sneak preview of it by buying it in beta (or for some, Alpha, or even indev).
1.8 isn't finished yet, and it isn't released. So I don't know where you got this information from.
It would be weird. Guess it's a good think he wasn't considering a minecraft cash shop outside the hypothetical.
People were bitching that the game wasn't on Steam. he responded.
I'm pretty sure the only reason that some of the features are probably being pushed to 1.9 is the same reason pistons were released in 1.7; that is, the fanbase is bitching "OMG release nao", so they'll give what they have and push what isn't yet done to a later release. If anything they care too much about the player base since they seem to do whatever they want half the time. I say they take their time and get it all done, but a lot of other players are frothing "OMG I wanna play 1.8" and complaining about possible release dates being pushed back (all of which are mostly rumour anyway), so they package up some of what they've done into an update to try to appease them in the meantime.
How the **** is minecraft "emotional"? Anybody who feels it is a topic worth passionate argument is a ****ing loser.
I approve of this message.
I have played games for a long time and have taken part in at least 20 alpha/beta tests and there are always bumps along the road to completion. It will come eventually and I am confidant that with Minecraft being open for modding that if there is content missing from the final game there are creative people out there that will make the mod just for you... If not sit down and create your own mod to bring your vision to the game, the info and software is out there on the internet if you want to do it.
And i hope that you dnot get too many cuz this post is pretty legit.
This wasn't a plea for attention, it was basically an open letter to the minecraft community and Mojang expressing my current feelings towards their chosen development process.
You can't be bothered with these types of threads.. but you can come in here and sling insults at me? Please try and keep all discussion as civil as possible with as little insulting as possible. Thanks.
Also... *FACEPALM*
I just realized (like I said earlier... havn't slept yet...) that I totally borked up the title of the thread...
Should be *Affected. Oh well.
I'm not completely surprised by the results of the poll so far to be honest. I really didn't expect the lower end (disappointed) to be as high as it is, but I kinda had a gut feeling I wasn't the only one who felt the way I do.
Anyway, yeah this thread kind of blew up and I had no chance at keeping up with all the posts, I'll do what I can to reply to the people who have replied and are interested in a rational discussion.
However, will this stop me from playing Minecraft? Not at all. Despite Jagex's many screw-ups with Runescape, I kept playing it and acted completely unphased as if nothing happened while the rest of the community theorized the game was slowly spiraling into its own destruction. The same will apply with Minecraft. I'm currently satisfied with what I have (though I'm a little sad at the stalled release of 1.8), and if bad comes to worse, I'm sure a group of modders will hijack the game and make imitations of the actual releases that please the community. Imagine if the creators of the Aether Collab mod made imitation mods of whats coming out in 1.8?
It's a dead horse but let me beat it one more time, the game is beta, and we either paid for either the Alpha or Beta version of the game, and not the release version of the game. That being said, have you enjoyed the product that you purchased?
But more to the OP's point about Mojang's seemingly lack of focus. That might be true, personally I think that they bit off more then they could chew when they announced the November release date, and that seems to be evident in the delays with 1.8. But it probably had to do with their upcoming deals with Microsoft and Sony. But I don't mind the delay in 1.8, I think it's a symptom underestimating the actual complexity in what they were trying to implement. However the estimated date was just that, estimated, and it was a patch at that, again we're playing a beta. Will it come out, sure, just not this weekend.
Is it a problem that Jeb is taking over the lead at this point? I don't think so. The reason being at this point the vision for what Minecraft is supposed to be is pretty much figured out, it's all about Jeb implementing it now. Does the whole project suffer because Notch is going to work on a new project, yes it probably does. However if it's just coding that needs to be done, let Jeb do that. Nothing against Jeb, but he is just an employee at Mojang, Notch is the reason Mojang exists and his talents are probably better served for the company to work on what is coming next, at least getting a view ideas rolling. After release Notch probably won't be working on Minecraft at all, they'll hire programmers, and then consult Notch on what he thinks the game needs as far as add-ons later on. But until proven otherwise Notch is the head game designer at Mojang and as a company they need him thinking about the next great thing, not programming the last great thing.
One final note, we should be so thankful that Notch and the rest of Mojang are so open with their customers about the development process. Sure it's been a fantastic marketing tool, but so many companies out there really do leave their customers in the dark. We see pretty much every single idea that has come up in the development of the game and then we get upset that it isn't in the game instantly. This is the reason why companies keep quiet, they don't want to deal with the rage that comes from their fanbase when an estimated release date is missed. Notch said that he was hoping to have it out by the end of August or September, everyone took that as written stone, it wasn't it was a goal.
In the end, just be happy for what Mojang has given us. A fun game, open communication about the development, and an ongoing effort to keep developing their game even after millions in sales. Sure we'd all like it to be out faster and Notch shouldn't sleep until it's done, but let's be real, if Mojang is going to survive as a company then it needs to have something in the pipeline for after Minecraft. And everyone deserves a vacation from time to time.
Now if the game is "released" as being final, and stuff is seriously broken and not getting fixed then by all means rage on.
Ok, all that being said, get your :Flint and Steel: ready and light me up.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0OtPNZX22RvZVeq4-dHa8GYKOc5lojKX
I can tell you something,
Game developing is painful, especially when it comes to bigger games like minecraft.
(I started to develop games by myself[Alone], It is hard to develop a great game,
Mojang just tries its best).
The community just excpect more than mojang can give,
I think you arent patient enough to wait for the update.