Like the fences, the table does require an exception in the torch code, as it's not a standard block. I guess you could do the same for redstone but the code for isolating the dust and making it so it couldn't spread to the ground would be needlessly complex, especially since the use for putting redstone on a table is rather limited.
Actually, being able to put redstone on a surface but not have it connect to the ones on the side would be very useful in and of itself.
Because the glass block is in game right now no more extra work for Mojang
Its their job to develope the game, think Notch had already way too many vactions. Lets not forget that the game isn't even finished, so therefore Notch shouldnt be worrying about wasting time or having breaks, let alone trying to cut corners to release the game out as soon as possible. You'd regret it if Mojang did that, trust me. I've seen companys fail because of this.
Right you table is #1 suggestion in this entire forum at the most it serves the same exact purpose a chair would for decoration that's all
No need to get defensive, I wasn't attacking you. I'm say saying, over 100 people have already voted for a new block table, not a workaround table. Chairs are not even being implemented what-so-ever, but a table is. Why is that? So if we must have a table, let us have a good one, not a fake one. That's all I'm asking for.
I am stubborn because I do want your idea because it only has one purpose and this is for cosmetic reasons I would rather have other things especially the idea I linked before with red stone block. Notch cannot implement everything having mod support would give not just you but everyone for everyone the option to implement their suggestions Mojang or any dev cannot implement everything I want useful stuff before useless stuff
That link you sent would require many blocks to be altered, wouldn't that just be a waste of time? But anyway, we're already getting useless additions to minecraft in 1.8 and so on, I feel like I'm going to repeat myself.
How do you see it cutting corners? They're still making the game any block shares the exact same purpose as your suggestion only difference it doesn't look like table to you which makes HUGE difference somehow...
/facepalm
I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be rude but you seriously are just not considering any of my points nor are you even listening to what I'm saying. It's almost as if you're trolling. So it's pointless to continue...
I'll give you the definition of cutting corners and if you don't see how that's what they're doing, then I'm sorry, I just don't know what else to say. Since it's a figure of speech, the best possible definiton is on urban dictionary.
Cut Corners: Make money-saving decisions on a project at significant expense of quality.
They have never said they will not add a table later. Making a quick change is not cutting corners. It is creating a optimal effort to return ratio. Aesthetically, it looks like a table. That is all most people want. Of your purposes for a table, holding a cake is the only one this fails to satisfy.
Why waste time implementing something that they will fix later? If people are already using plugins to allow tables be created with pressure plates, let them continue to do so. What is jebs doing, making us remove a plugin? Don't see how that's helping us in any sort of way. By the way, the whole cake thing is a huge part of even having a table. So yeah, it's required.
- Would make houses look less of a cluster. - check
- Will offer more vision than a regular block. -check
- Would produce less darkness than a regular block. -check
Check the cons on my original post about a pressure plate table. These are just reason for a table, nothing to do with the quality of the table. It's like instead of having a lame tastless sandwitch, wouldn't you rather have a nicely cooked dinner? Well that's the point I'm trying to get across.
I don't like the idea of a cake giving more hunger when placed on a table. That makes no sense, and is trying to force what would be a natural interaction.
It's like Notch is soon going to force us to have animal farms since food will be more productive that way. Aren't we also getting a hunger system this new patch? So why are they forcing us to do a natural interaction with that?
As for displaying an item, that is a feature notch wants to implement at some point. That time is not now, and when he does add it, it will have more flexibilty than plopping an item on a table.
That's not flexible enough? Coming from the person who doesn't care much for quality. Very interesting...
If you were in the middle of a project, and someone suggested a thing you could do in under a minute to improve things, would you really not do it? Would your really spend a significant amount of time implementing a more involved feature instead? I don't see how you can make this change into a bad thing. Does it hurt the game? No, it offers more options. Is it the best possible table? No.
You're right, lets just call 1.8 the final release of minecraft. We don't need anymore features because many people already like the game the way it already is, right? That way, Notch's valuable time wouldn't be wasted anymore. I mean, are you really listening to yourself? I'm asking for quality, so yes he better aim for quality on a game that I paid for.
Come on, I'm in construction for crying out loud. You think the customers that come to us would rather have us sit and do nothing and give them a crappy outcome? Surprised people honestly aren't speaking up. I'm not trying to attack Notch, just show him that I want a little more effort when it comes to tables before it become permanent and it stays like that for good, which in my opinion, will most likely happen.
Seriosuly, if I was making a game, and someone pointed out a quick fix to increase the flexibility, I would definitely do it. I think you would have to be an idiot NOT to do it. It doesn't mean they can't add better tables later. But any way you cut it, we would not be getting tables now. Your view of the tradeoffs is completely skewed.
It's not a fix, it's just a way to decrease the quality of a game. The idea just doesn't make sense. They're not required to listen to every suggestion on the forums and implement it.
1. we get the pressure plate tables now, and real tables later
2. We get nothing now, and real tables later.
we are in scenario 1. Scenario 2 has 0 advantages over scenario 1. If anything, scenario 1 make sit more likely to get tables sooner, as the workaroudn tables will be present, and making their flaws apparent, and serving as a reminder.
Nice setting up a scenario were only your opinion wins. What about...
3. Get pressure plate tables and never getting real tables.
First one may happen, wouldn't mind it did but I don't see what's the point. People will still get workarounds with plugins and mods to get those tables so I don't see how anyone gets screwed if pressure plate tables didn't get added. It's just a waste of time honestly on the developers part. Number two would be a professional way to handle it and number three would screw us over the most because this thread didn't get a loud enough voice for the developers to hear.
If they are going to properly implement tables, I want them to proeprly implement tables. Not hack togethr a quick model, ignore all connecting logic, only create 1 skin for it, ignore special redstone interactions, etc. The pressure plate/fence is not even implicitly a final product. If they didn't add it to the village, you may never have noticed the change, or be in the least bit inconvienced by it. If you make a proper table model, skin it, and add in a crafting recipie, you have just added a table. A poor, buggy table, but it is still there as a feature. You have spent time on it, and produced an inferior product, and put it out. It was not done on a whim, it took actual effort to include it. As opposed to making a quick change that is obviously not a final product, and is meant for aesthetic purposes only.
If you are going to bring up point 3, lets do the full exploraton.
1. we get the pressure plate tables now, and real tables later
2. We get nothing now, and real tables later.
3. Get pressure plate tables and never getting real tables.
4. never get any tables at all.
unless the transition is from case 2 to case 3, WE LOSE NOTHING. If it was case 4, adding the pressure plate table moved us to state 3, but harms nothing, and lets people make things that look like tables, even if they do not function as them. Still a positive change. If we were in case 2, we gain the aesthetic tables now, and move to state 1. So unless you think we were in state 2, and are moving to state 3, we are still better off. and I honestly do not beleive that that quick work around would eliminate their plans to add real tables.
And I fail to see how a cake on a table is any more accessable than a cake on a wooden block.
If they are going to properly implement tables, I want them to proeprly implement tables. Not hack togethr a quick model, ignore all connecting logic, only create 1 skin for it, ignore special redstone interactions, etc. The pressure plate/fence is not even implicitly a final product. If they didn't add it to the village, you may never have noticed the change, or be in the least bit inconvienced by it. If you make a proper table model, skin it, and add in a crafting recipie, you have just added a table. A poor, buggy table, but it is still there as a feature. You have spent time on it, and produced an inferior product, and put it out. It was not done on a whim, it took actual effort to include it. As opposed to making a quick change that is obviously not a final product, and is meant for aesthetic purposes only.
If you are going to bring up point 3, lets do the full exploraton.
1. we get the pressure plate tables now, and real tables later
2. We get nothing now, and real tables later.
3. Get pressure plate tables and never getting real tables.
4. never get any tables at all.
We're getting tables in 1.8 so number four isn't possible. Somehow you believe we'll eventually get a better table, but now you're saying we might not even get a table at all? You just keep changing your opinion then you say that I misunderstand you. Well what would you expect?
I agree the tables we have now are pretty lame and it may not be the best thing ever but since this is all we have till they decide to add real ones then we need to just deal with it.
When I first started playing Minecraft, I thought, "What is the table recipe? I need a table in my house."
I think it's kind of weird that there already isn't a table block.
What house doesn't have a table? We have cake but no table? That's like having a fence but no gate.
You mean gates, which we have been asking for since alpha 1.0.5, Notch said many times that they would be quick and easy to make and add in the game, but are finally getting in 1.8, so many patches later. I can see why people are dissatisfied since we been asking for tables so long, only to get something that doesn't even function as a table and was done on a "whim". Why can't they do a real table block on a "whim".
Unless jeb takes the time and programs that pressureplate+fencepost acts differently and you can place stuff on it... but then why would one do that when one could make a simple table block that takes no extra programming?
We're getting tables in 1.8 so number four isn't possible. Somehow you believe we'll eventually get a better table, but now you're saying we might not even get a table at all? You just keep changing your opinion then you say that I misunderstand you. Well what would you expect?
I'll illustrate with diagrams.
We have 4 states.
1. we get the pressure plate tables now, and real tables later
2. We get nothing now, and real tables later.
3. Get pressure plate tables and never getting real tables.
4. never get any tables at all.
Each transition between these states can be positive or negative, as shown on this diagram:
Since we are getting pressure plates, we are currently in state 1 or 3. Hence, the only relevant transitions are those that end in state 1 or 3.
And since adding pressure plates now is not a transition between states 1 and 3, we can remove those from our consideration. Leaving us with these 4 cases.
Now, as you can see, these are mostly green transitions. The only transition thatis red is 2->3.
That transition means that they were planing on doing a full implementation of tables, but since they are adding a workaround, they are not going to add tables anymore.
Of all the cases, this is the only one which you can complain about the workaround tables.
It is also the least likely. Notch is not one to make a change, then never revisit it because it was a basic workaround. Lighting was awful at first, but once he added it, he has been continually improving it. Biomes were rather poor at first. Now he has revisited them, and revised them into a much better system. The nether's first version is lackluster and boring, and he has specific plans to revise it. Minecarts were poor at first, and hard to use without exploits. No he has revised how it works, and we have a better system. He has reworked the level save format several times to improve it.
Every piece of evidence shows that Notch does not leave a poor part of the game in without eventually redoing it. He does will not let a workaround solution prevent him from adding a properly implemented feature later.
Hence, we can discount that transition, as evidence shows adding a workaround does not stop notch from properly implementing a feature.
Leaving us with only good transitions from adding this table.
If we are in state 1, you will be getting tables, and should be happy.
If we are in state 3, we are not getting tables.
However, in state 3, we are coming from state 4, which means he would not be adding tables normally.
Which means we would have a poor, buggy table implementation in the game. This means it will be present, and have problems. This means that notch is much more likely to decide that this is a problem, and add a real table to fix it. As such, this offers a way for state 4 to transition to state 1, where it would not otherwise do so.
And hence my conclusion:
Adding these tables is a positive change to the game.
No need to get defensive, I wasn't attacking you. I'm say saying, over 100 people have already voted for a new block table, not a workaround table.
That is by no means an accurate amount of people to judge what users tend to want. Minecraft players number in the hundred thousands at worst and a 1/1000 or less sampling of them is not very indicative of the what the whole tends to think.
Why waste time implementing something that they will fix later? If people are already using plugins to allow tables be created with pressure plates, let them continue to do so. What is jebs doing, making us remove a plugin? Don't see how that's helping us in any sort of way. By the way, the whole cake thing is a huge part of even having a table. So yeah, it's required.
Maybe they did it because it was a simple request that apparently took jeb/Jens a few minutes to actually do. It isn't making us remove a plugin, it is making it so people don't need a plugin to do it. Not everybody uses plugins.
Also, the other part about cake is just an opinion since cakes can be place everywhere. Just because it would be nice looking doesn't make a legitimate table required by any means. It just makes it nice to have... It is the difference between "wants" and "needs." We don't need real tables to place cakes but we want them and it would be nice to have them.
Check the cons on my original post about a pressure plate table. These are just reason for a table, nothing to do with the quality of the table. It's like instead of having a lame tastless sandwitch, wouldn't you rather have a nicely cooked dinner? Well that's the point I'm trying to get across.
Let's look at your cons...
Cons
- Nothing can be placed directly on top of them Yeah it sucks but not of immediate importance.
- Unable to stand on them if there is two empty blocks from the ceiling to the table since the fence counts as two whole blocks Fence counts as a little more than one block hence why you can jump on them from a half step. Also, you can make the ceiling higher if needed.
- Negates the purpose of a pressure plate, which is meant to be stepped on It takes no function away from the pressure plate. That is an invalid con. It only adds a use.
- Isn't even a real craft A fairly legitimate concern...It would be nice if we did have a craftable table, I never said otherwise. I'm just defending the pressure-plate table's existence.
- Table has holes inbetween each pressure plate when trying to make a larger table I can see how that can be aesthetically displeasing but shouldn't texture packs fix it?
My answers are in bold for clarity. AND yes, I would like a bland sandwich if it will keep me alive until I can get a quality meal which could potentially be where we are heading.
You're right, lets just call 1.8 the final release of minecraft. We don't need anymore features because many people already like the game the way it already is, right? That way, Notch's valuable time wouldn't be wasted anymore. I mean, are you really listening to yourself? I'm asking for quality, so yes he better aim for quality on a game that I paid for.
Come on, I'm in construction for crying out loud. You think the customers that come to us would rather have us sit and do nothing and give them a crappy outcome? Surprised people honestly aren't speaking up. I'm not trying to attack Notch, just show him that I want a little more effort when it comes to tables before it become permanent and it stays like that for good, which in my opinion, will most likely happen.
Construction <> Programming. Notch has stated that release will just be a sticker change and that there will still be new updates and stuff. If we don't get legitimate tables before then, we have a chance after the release to get them.
And honestly, for many people, Minecraft has more than paid for itself. In its current state, it is more replayable than most games on the market.
It's not a fix, it's just a way to decrease the quality of a game. The idea just doesn't make sense. They're not required to listen to every suggestion on the forums and implement it.
It doesn't decrease the game's quality. In a sandbox game, quality is what you make it to be for the most part. Allowing us to do something we weren't able to before will inevitably cause quality of building designs to increase. With pressure plate tables we can create legitimate/nice looking restaurants if we want to.
All in all, we might still get real, craftable tables yet. Minecraft is far from being near the end of the line.
I'd rather have the piston, an entirely new block would be overkill, and there really is no point in adding a chair or table block when nones going to really be able to use it the way they like. At least with makeshift ones we have now, we can make them as big as we want.
If you're really that peeved off, just get the furniture mod, search it up on here, and if that doesn't work, look it up on the internet.
I remember how many workarounds there were for beds before they were implemented in the actual game.
You see, some things would be better a block than an a lame workaround.
Ah yes, sadly I'm guilty of amassing an army of workaround beds before they were ever put into the game. Nothing ever really compared to having the ability to craft a simple yet nice looking bed.
That is by no means an accurate amount of people to judge what users tend to want. Minecraft players number in the hundred thousands at worst and a 1/1000 or less sampling of them is not very indicative of the what the whole tends to think.
Are you really trying to argue that over 100 people didn't vote for a new table block? How is that even possible when it's a fact? It actually happened!
Maybe they did it because it was a simple request that apparently took jeb/Jens a few minutes to actually do. It isn't making us remove a plugin, it is making it so people don't need a plugin to do it. Not everybody uses plugins.
Also, the other part about cake is just an opinion since cakes can be place everywhere. Just because it would be nice looking doesn't make a legitimate table required by any means. It just makes it nice to have... It is the difference between "wants" and "needs." We don't need real tables to place cakes but we want them and it would be nice to have them.
The "wants" and "needs" argument only works with real life, not a video game. Technically we don't "need" minecraft, we "want" it.
My answers are in bold for clarity. AND yes, I would like a bland sandwich if it will keep me alive until I can get a quality meal which could potentially be where we are heading.
It doesn't decrease the game's quality. In a sandbox game, quality is what you make it to be for the most part. Allowing us to do something we weren't able to before will inevitably cause quality of building designs to increase. With pressure plate tables we can create legitimate/nice looking restaurants if we want to.
A new table block will provide an effective table with enhanced graphics. Because a table is not a natural spawn, it should be a craftable block. That was the bases of minecraft since day one. To do it otherwise just harm the userfriendliness of minecraft.
Actually, being able to put redstone on a surface but not have it connect to the ones on the side would be very useful in and of itself.
It would require some slightly fancy coding, but it should be doable.
"sometimes, wizards are so awesome, it hurts"
Then I found out that you can't put anything on top of them and they don't really function like a table at all and I was like :sad.gif:
My honest opinion... these new "tables" aren't tables at all. You can't place stuff on them... so game over.
Its their job to develope the game, think Notch had already way too many vactions. Lets not forget that the game isn't even finished, so therefore Notch shouldnt be worrying about wasting time or having breaks, let alone trying to cut corners to release the game out as soon as possible. You'd regret it if Mojang did that, trust me. I've seen companys fail because of this.
No need to get defensive, I wasn't attacking you. I'm say saying, over 100 people have already voted for a new block table, not a workaround table. Chairs are not even being implemented what-so-ever, but a table is. Why is that? So if we must have a table, let us have a good one, not a fake one. That's all I'm asking for.
That link you sent would require many blocks to be altered, wouldn't that just be a waste of time? But anyway, we're already getting useless additions to minecraft in 1.8 and so on, I feel like I'm going to repeat myself.
/facepalm
I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be rude but you seriously are just not considering any of my points nor are you even listening to what I'm saying. It's almost as if you're trolling. So it's pointless to continue...
I'll give you the definition of cutting corners and if you don't see how that's what they're doing, then I'm sorry, I just don't know what else to say. Since it's a figure of speech, the best possible definiton is on urban dictionary.
Cut Corners: Make money-saving decisions on a project at significant expense of quality.
Why waste time implementing something that they will fix later? If people are already using plugins to allow tables be created with pressure plates, let them continue to do so. What is jebs doing, making us remove a plugin? Don't see how that's helping us in any sort of way. By the way, the whole cake thing is a huge part of even having a table. So yeah, it's required.
Do you understand the difference between something being more accessible and something being able to be placed ontop of something?
Check the cons on my original post about a pressure plate table. These are just reason for a table, nothing to do with the quality of the table. It's like instead of having a lame tastless sandwitch, wouldn't you rather have a nicely cooked dinner? Well that's the point I'm trying to get across.
It's like Notch is soon going to force us to have animal farms since food will be more productive that way. Aren't we also getting a hunger system this new patch? So why are they forcing us to do a natural interaction with that?
That's not flexible enough? Coming from the person who doesn't care much for quality. Very interesting...
You're right, lets just call 1.8 the final release of minecraft. We don't need anymore features because many people already like the game the way it already is, right? That way, Notch's valuable time wouldn't be wasted anymore. I mean, are you really listening to yourself? I'm asking for quality, so yes he better aim for quality on a game that I paid for.
Come on, I'm in construction for crying out loud. You think the customers that come to us would rather have us sit and do nothing and give them a crappy outcome? Surprised people honestly aren't speaking up. I'm not trying to attack Notch, just show him that I want a little more effort when it comes to tables before it become permanent and it stays like that for good, which in my opinion, will most likely happen.
It's not a fix, it's just a way to decrease the quality of a game. The idea just doesn't make sense. They're not required to listen to every suggestion on the forums and implement it.
Nice setting up a scenario were only your opinion wins. What about...
3. Get pressure plate tables and never getting real tables.
First one may happen, wouldn't mind it did but I don't see what's the point. People will still get workarounds with plugins and mods to get those tables so I don't see how anyone gets screwed if pressure plate tables didn't get added. It's just a waste of time honestly on the developers part. Number two would be a professional way to handle it and number three would screw us over the most because this thread didn't get a loud enough voice for the developers to hear.
If they are going to properly implement tables, I want them to proeprly implement tables. Not hack togethr a quick model, ignore all connecting logic, only create 1 skin for it, ignore special redstone interactions, etc. The pressure plate/fence is not even implicitly a final product. If they didn't add it to the village, you may never have noticed the change, or be in the least bit inconvienced by it. If you make a proper table model, skin it, and add in a crafting recipie, you have just added a table. A poor, buggy table, but it is still there as a feature. You have spent time on it, and produced an inferior product, and put it out. It was not done on a whim, it took actual effort to include it. As opposed to making a quick change that is obviously not a final product, and is meant for aesthetic purposes only.
If you are going to bring up point 3, lets do the full exploraton.
1. we get the pressure plate tables now, and real tables later
2. We get nothing now, and real tables later.
3. Get pressure plate tables and never getting real tables.
4. never get any tables at all.
unless the transition is from case 2 to case 3, WE LOSE NOTHING. If it was case 4, adding the pressure plate table moved us to state 3, but harms nothing, and lets people make things that look like tables, even if they do not function as them. Still a positive change. If we were in case 2, we gain the aesthetic tables now, and move to state 1. So unless you think we were in state 2, and are moving to state 3, we are still better off. and I honestly do not beleive that that quick work around would eliminate their plans to add real tables.
And I fail to see how a cake on a table is any more accessable than a cake on a wooden block.
I think it's kind of weird that there already isn't a table block.
What house doesn't have a table? We have cake but no table? That's like having a fence but no gate.
Who's side are you on?
We're getting tables in 1.8 so number four isn't possible. Somehow you believe we'll eventually get a better table, but now you're saying we might not even get a table at all? You just keep changing your opinion then you say that I misunderstand you. Well what would you expect?
It's not, but now that wooden block is just trying to resemble a table.
You mean gates, which we have been asking for since alpha 1.0.5, Notch said many times that they would be quick and easy to make and add in the game, but are finally getting in 1.8, so many patches later. I can see why people are dissatisfied since we been asking for tables so long, only to get something that doesn't even function as a table and was done on a "whim". Why can't they do a real table block on a "whim".
Unless jeb takes the time and programs that pressureplate+fencepost acts differently and you can place stuff on it... but then why would one do that when one could make a simple table block that takes no extra programming?
Why do I have to be on a side? I am arguing for what is best for the game
I'll illustrate with diagrams.
We have 4 states.
1. we get the pressure plate tables now, and real tables later
2. We get nothing now, and real tables later.
3. Get pressure plate tables and never getting real tables.
4. never get any tables at all.
Each transition between these states can be positive or negative, as shown on this diagram:
Since we are getting pressure plates, we are currently in state 1 or 3. Hence, the only relevant transitions are those that end in state 1 or 3.
And since adding pressure plates now is not a transition between states 1 and 3, we can remove those from our consideration. Leaving us with these 4 cases.
Now, as you can see, these are mostly green transitions. The only transition thatis red is 2->3.
That transition means that they were planing on doing a full implementation of tables, but since they are adding a workaround, they are not going to add tables anymore.
Of all the cases, this is the only one which you can complain about the workaround tables.
It is also the least likely. Notch is not one to make a change, then never revisit it because it was a basic workaround. Lighting was awful at first, but once he added it, he has been continually improving it. Biomes were rather poor at first. Now he has revisited them, and revised them into a much better system. The nether's first version is lackluster and boring, and he has specific plans to revise it. Minecarts were poor at first, and hard to use without exploits. No he has revised how it works, and we have a better system. He has reworked the level save format several times to improve it.
Every piece of evidence shows that Notch does not leave a poor part of the game in without eventually redoing it. He does will not let a workaround solution prevent him from adding a properly implemented feature later.
Hence, we can discount that transition, as evidence shows adding a workaround does not stop notch from properly implementing a feature.
Leaving us with only good transitions from adding this table.
If we are in state 1, you will be getting tables, and should be happy.
If we are in state 3, we are not getting tables.
However, in state 3, we are coming from state 4, which means he would not be adding tables normally.
Which means we would have a poor, buggy table implementation in the game. This means it will be present, and have problems. This means that notch is much more likely to decide that this is a problem, and add a real table to fix it. As such, this offers a way for state 4 to transition to state 1, where it would not otherwise do so.
And hence my conclusion:
Adding these tables is a positive change to the game.
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how about this:
1. place fence post where you want your table to be
2. make a cake.
3. place cake on fence post.
4. ???
5. profit.
but if you start eating the cake well that's YOUR problem.
having an epic battle over table blocks and workaround tables? doesn't really make sense for me because in the end everyone loses.
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That is by no means an accurate amount of people to judge what users tend to want. Minecraft players number in the hundred thousands at worst and a 1/1000 or less sampling of them is not very indicative of the what the whole tends to think.
Maybe they did it because it was a simple request that apparently took jeb/Jens a few minutes to actually do. It isn't making us remove a plugin, it is making it so people don't need a plugin to do it. Not everybody uses plugins.
Also, the other part about cake is just an opinion since cakes can be place everywhere. Just because it would be nice looking doesn't make a legitimate table required by any means. It just makes it nice to have... It is the difference between "wants" and "needs." We don't need real tables to place cakes but we want them and it would be nice to have them.
Let's look at your cons...
Cons
My answers are in bold for clarity. AND yes, I would like a bland sandwich if it will keep me alive until I can get a quality meal which could potentially be where we are heading.
Construction <> Programming. Notch has stated that release will just be a sticker change and that there will still be new updates and stuff. If we don't get legitimate tables before then, we have a chance after the release to get them.
And honestly, for many people, Minecraft has more than paid for itself. In its current state, it is more replayable than most games on the market.
It doesn't decrease the game's quality. In a sandbox game, quality is what you make it to be for the most part. Allowing us to do something we weren't able to before will inevitably cause quality of building designs to increase. With pressure plate tables we can create legitimate/nice looking restaurants if we want to.
All in all, we might still get real, craftable tables yet. Minecraft is far from being near the end of the line.
If you're really that peeved off, just get the furniture mod, search it up on here, and if that doesn't work, look it up on the internet.
Ah yes, sadly I'm guilty of amassing an army of workaround beds before they were ever put into the game. Nothing ever really compared to having the ability to craft a simple yet nice looking bed.
Are you really trying to argue that over 100 people didn't vote for a new table block? How is that even possible when it's a fact? It actually happened!
Not everyone likes this new table workaround.
The "wants" and "needs" argument only works with real life, not a video game. Technically we don't "need" minecraft, we "want" it.
Carl, is that you?
Construction + Programming = Jobs that work on making a finished product.
A new table block will provide an effective table with enhanced graphics. Because a table is not a natural spawn, it should be a craftable block. That was the bases of minecraft since day one. To do it otherwise just harm the userfriendliness of minecraft.