That's lie... there was one point where Notch said he was willing to release the fully unobfuscated code. Plus Mojang would never just permaban someone for messing with class files. As essentially all modders do that. I call flame bait on that site and this post...
Continuous services.. like WoW, that still changes it's ToU on a pretty regular basis, and DEFINITELY bans people? Ok, whatever. Good luck finding a lawyer that will sue to get your $20 back lol.
Actually something like that would result in a class action lawsuit... meaning EVERYONE gets their 20 back.
Yeah, this is pretty false. I've just started my career in modding, and I'm free to log in to the game and run my changed JAR all I want. Mustve just done it a dozen times trying to get a small idea working...
That's lie... there was one point where Notch said he was willing to release the fully unobfuscated code. Plus Mojang would never just permaban someone for messing with class files. As essentially all modders do that. I call flame bait on that site and this post...
Actually something like that would result in a class action lawsuit... meaning EVERYONE gets their 20 back.
That would be the only way something would happen, though a class action lawsuit.. because there was a change in a ToU, which says, in effect, it can be changed at any time? Nope. Not convinced. Not even a little. If this was the case, any game dev, that broke their game to an unplayable state, would be sued. That isn't the case. They just lose players and have to shut down. Class action lawsuits happen because.. I dunno.. airbags blow up in people's face's for no reason, not because a game dev wants to add a little protection to their game, which is perfectly within their rights.
Not when it comes to continuous services, which Minecraft.net's validation system easily falls under. A ToU only has so much power when to comes to changing, and banning users without them knowing they're breaking the ToU would definitely not hold up in court.
You agreed to the terms that they can change them without notice. So its your job to keep up to date on them.
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I'm usually not trying to be rude. So if a post comes across that way then sorry :]
If you honestly believe that Mojang could change the rules and ban people without them knowing, AND get away with it, then you're being ridiculous.
No. You're being ridiculous if you think there is anything you could do about it.
You agreed that you know that they can change the terms of use at any time they want with or without warning. Meaning it is your job to regularly check up on it to see if anything is changed.
And since you agreed to it they can actually change their terms of use at any time then ban you if you break them.
I've never bothered to read them so unless there is something in there that says they will update you on major changes or make you renew your agreement there's not a damned thing you or anyone could do. Because you agreed to it.
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I'm usually not trying to be rude. So if a post comes across that way then sorry :]
No. You're being ridiculous if you think there is anything you could do about it.
You agreed that you know that they can change the terms of use at any time they want with or without warning. Meaning it is your job to regularly check up on it to see if anything is changed.
And since you agreed to it they can actually change their terms of use at any time then ban you if you break them.
I've never bothered to read them so unless there is something in there that says they will update you on major changes or make you renew your agreement there's not a damned thing you or anyone could do. Because you agreed to it.
That's what scammers do... they make you agree to something that you don't know the consequences too. I'm pretty sure Mojang cannot outright ban people out of the blue. Even if they wanted to change their terms of contract, they would have to warn people about it.
Also, since this seems difficult to grasp, what if Mojang put in their terms of contract: "From this day forth, January 20, 2012, all minecraft players must now be slaves to the Mojang company." Or what if Mojang suddenly decided to charge a $100 a month subscription fee?
That of course, would not be legitimate. There are some things that they cannot simply change out of the blue. One of them would be banning unknowing players, which would essentially be stealing their $20.00.
That's what scammers do... they make you agree to something that you don't know the consequences too. I'm pretty sure Mojang cannot outright ban people out of the blue. Even if they wanted to change their terms of contract, they would have to warn people about it.
Also, since this seems difficult to grasp, what if Mojang put in their terms of contract: "From this day forth, January 20, 2012, all minecraft players must now be slaves to the Mojang company." Or what if Mojang suddenly decided to charge a $100 a month subscription fee?
That of course, would not be legitimate. There are some things that they cannot simply change out of the blue. One of them would be banning unknowing players, which would essentially be stealing their $20.00.
No they cannot ban people out of the blue. But if they wanted to they could ban people that violate the terms of use.
They cannot add anything about people being slaves because that is illegal.
And they cannot add a fee for a multiplayer that they do not control. If they were to set up official servers then they could charge. They can still add fees for using their launcher to connect to servers. But that's a horrible idea from a business standpoint.
Like I said though. I haven't bothered to read through the terms of use and I never will. But people get banned from games all the time. And there's not a damned thing anyone can ever do about it.
I don't see how Mojang could ban people from Minecraft though. The only way they could ban you would be to stop your account from being able to download updates. Or maybe they could get a system worked out to not let you even make it to the main menu. But they don't control any MP servers that I know of. So they don't really have any control over those.
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I'm usually not trying to be rude. So if a post comes across that way then sorry :]
That's what scammers do... they make you agree to something that you don't know the consequences too. I'm pretty sure Mojang cannot outright ban people out of the blue. Even if they wanted to change their terms of contract, they would have to warn people about it.
Also, since this seems difficult to grasp, what if Mojang put in their terms of contract: "From this day forth, January 20, 2012, all minecraft players must now be slaves to the Mojang company." Or what if Mojang suddenly decided to charge a $100 a month subscription fee?
That of course, would not be legitimate. There are some things that they cannot simply change out of the blue. One of them would be banning unknowing players, which would essentially be stealing their $20.00.
Ok, I got into this responding to the simple assertion that Mojang couldn't change the ToU without users consent, which is obviously the blatantly false and naive thoughts from someone who never read the ToU to begin with (Yeah.. lets just check the "I agree" box and get it out of my way). I'll dive a little deeper here.. Mojang didn't "make" anyone agree to anything. They *allow* you to play *their* game as long as you agree to their rules. This is what your $20 gets you, access to play *their* game on *their* terms. If you think it's any more than this you are sadly mistaken.
Unless you truly think they are a bunch of unreasonable people trying to do sneaky things with the ToU (if so why are you still here?), you would probably see that any large changes that affect general play or access would likely be announced, since they do have a convenient way of doing that via the game loader. That's usually what those are for. This still doesn't change the fact they can change the rules whenever they like, since it is, after all, their game.
As far as your theoretical ToU changes, well, lets see, #1 is illegal to start with, and #2 would require you to authorize payments so it's not like all of a sudden they'd be stealing your money, that would just simply be the end of minecraft, at least legitimate minecraft, since nobody would agree to unreasonable terms like that. So now that the totally over the top and completely out of context ideas are played out, what now?
As far as banning poor innocent unknowing players, I'm sure that Mojang will follow the general process that most other game devs do to prevent this very thing from happening, if you screw up, you get a warning (and possible short term suspension to get your attention) before anything truly bad happens to your account. If you screw up multiple times and get banned, well you weren't unknowing then, were you? Why do people always jump the gun and assume the worst? Personally I'd be happy to see some greifer groups (which are usually the people that are the first to complain when any whiff of something like this comes out, whether it's just rumor or not) get the boot with a little tightening up of the security (on both client and server side). Still must be reasonable. That is a key point.
Regardless, this is all theoretical rambling in the first place, but it is certainly not good form for somebody to go about thinking they can say what Mojang can or cannot do, especially when they try and back it up with nonsensical and completely unreasonable "logic".
Actually something like that would result in a class action lawsuit... meaning EVERYONE gets their 20 back.
That would be the only way something would happen, though a class action lawsuit.. because there was a change in a ToU, which says, in effect, it can be changed at any time? Nope. Not convinced. Not even a little. If this was the case, any game dev, that broke their game to an unplayable state, would be sued. That isn't the case. They just lose players and have to shut down. Class action lawsuits happen because.. I dunno.. airbags blow up in people's face's for no reason, not because a game dev wants to add a little protection to their game, which is perfectly within their rights.
You agreed to the terms that they can change them without notice. So its your job to keep up to date on them.
If you honestly believe that Mojang could change the rules and ban people without them knowing, AND get away with it, then you're being ridiculous.
No. You're being ridiculous if you think there is anything you could do about it.
You agreed that you know that they can change the terms of use at any time they want with or without warning. Meaning it is your job to regularly check up on it to see if anything is changed.
And since you agreed to it they can actually change their terms of use at any time then ban you if you break them.
I've never bothered to read them so unless there is something in there that says they will update you on major changes or make you renew your agreement there's not a damned thing you or anyone could do. Because you agreed to it.
That's what scammers do... they make you agree to something that you don't know the consequences too. I'm pretty sure Mojang cannot outright ban people out of the blue. Even if they wanted to change their terms of contract, they would have to warn people about it.
Also, since this seems difficult to grasp, what if Mojang put in their terms of contract: "From this day forth, January 20, 2012, all minecraft players must now be slaves to the Mojang company." Or what if Mojang suddenly decided to charge a $100 a month subscription fee?
That of course, would not be legitimate. There are some things that they cannot simply change out of the blue. One of them would be banning unknowing players, which would essentially be stealing their $20.00.
No they cannot ban people out of the blue. But if they wanted to they could ban people that violate the terms of use.
They cannot add anything about people being slaves because that is illegal.
And they cannot add a fee for a multiplayer that they do not control. If they were to set up official servers then they could charge. They can still add fees for using their launcher to connect to servers. But that's a horrible idea from a business standpoint.
Like I said though. I haven't bothered to read through the terms of use and I never will. But people get banned from games all the time. And there's not a damned thing anyone can ever do about it.
I don't see how Mojang could ban people from Minecraft though. The only way they could ban you would be to stop your account from being able to download updates. Or maybe they could get a system worked out to not let you even make it to the main menu. But they don't control any MP servers that I know of. So they don't really have any control over those.
Ok, I got into this responding to the simple assertion that Mojang couldn't change the ToU without users consent, which is obviously the blatantly false and naive thoughts from someone who never read the ToU to begin with (Yeah.. lets just check the "I agree" box and get it out of my way). I'll dive a little deeper here.. Mojang didn't "make" anyone agree to anything. They *allow* you to play *their* game as long as you agree to their rules. This is what your $20 gets you, access to play *their* game on *their* terms. If you think it's any more than this you are sadly mistaken.
Unless you truly think they are a bunch of unreasonable people trying to do sneaky things with the ToU (if so why are you still here?), you would probably see that any large changes that affect general play or access would likely be announced, since they do have a convenient way of doing that via the game loader. That's usually what those are for. This still doesn't change the fact they can change the rules whenever they like, since it is, after all, their game.
As far as your theoretical ToU changes, well, lets see, #1 is illegal to start with, and #2 would require you to authorize payments so it's not like all of a sudden they'd be stealing your money, that would just simply be the end of minecraft, at least legitimate minecraft, since nobody would agree to unreasonable terms like that. So now that the totally over the top and completely out of context ideas are played out, what now?
As far as banning poor innocent unknowing players, I'm sure that Mojang will follow the general process that most other game devs do to prevent this very thing from happening, if you screw up, you get a warning (and possible short term suspension to get your attention) before anything truly bad happens to your account. If you screw up multiple times and get banned, well you weren't unknowing then, were you? Why do people always jump the gun and assume the worst? Personally I'd be happy to see some greifer groups (which are usually the people that are the first to complain when any whiff of something like this comes out, whether it's just rumor or not) get the boot with a little tightening up of the security (on both client and server side). Still must be reasonable. That is a key point.
Regardless, this is all theoretical rambling in the first place, but it is certainly not good form for somebody to go about thinking they can say what Mojang can or cannot do, especially when they try and back it up with nonsensical and completely unreasonable "logic".