Welp. I did it. Took a long while. But I've figured out every single material vs every single (applicable) tool... I would paste images of my beautiful graphs, but for some reason printscreen only captures a 640x480 picture... Whereas my resolution is 1280x1024... So they look waay too grainy to post.
Anyways, I posted up a picture of the basic info, if you want to make your own graphs and charts, go ahead :biggrin.gif:
So yeah, those are all the values, in seconds, of each block/tool.
If you're wondering how I did it, I would make rows of 20 (40 for the shovel ones) and start a stopwatch right when I started and stop it when I was finished. I then divided the numbers by 20. Voila. Enjoy :biggrin.gif:
Also, in viewing the graphs, there are a few conclusions I came to:
[*:3i2bxd2w]ALWAYS use tools. Stone shovels are roughly double hands. Stone hatchets are about 3 times as fast as hands, and stone pickaxes are about 60% faster than wood
[*:3i2bxd2w]Unless you are super tight on inventory space, don't use diamond. Its not worth the minor speed gain.
[*:3i2bxd2w]Iron is your best bet for speed vs. durability. Yet usually you use more than you gain when spelunking, so be careful.
[*:3i2bxd2w]Stone is by far the most efficient tool. I suggest making most tools out of stone, as you will have more than enough of it.
I personally make shovels out of iron, as I get 128 uses for only 1 iron. That seems to be a fair trade for me. The other tools, I normally stick with stone.
Also, the strangest observation for me was that both glass AND leaves get "cut" faster with WEAPONS, but not any kind of tools... Hatchets lose "normal" durability for leaves (as if hatchets are made for them) yet they don't cut the leaves any faster than hands... Whereas weapons all go faster on leaves, yet they lose double durability.
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Well done! I was going to comment on the timing for obsidian, then i read the note on the side. I also end up using diamond tools for everything when I get enough of it, I just love that speed, even if its not all that much over steel, the dura makes up for it IMO
As long as you have money.
Ontopic: How did you find this out? What method? Did you eliminate any unwanted variables? are stairs one or two stairs? Is there a difference between one and two?
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"He who sees thy challenge shall be victorious."
As long as you have money.
Ontopic: How did you find this out? What method? Did you eliminate any unwanted variables? are stairs one or two stairs? Is there a difference between one and two?
Maybe you should read the OP before posting :roll:
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If you're wondering how I did it, I would make rows of 20 (40 for the shovel ones) and start a stopwatch right when I started and stop it when I was finished. I then divided the numbers by 20. Voila. Enjoy :biggrin.gif:
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All of these numbers seem rather arbitrary, although accurate. I almost freaked out when I saw the obsidian timing. I think it would have been better to put 15.40
As long as you have money.
Ontopic: How did you find this out? What method? Did you eliminate any unwanted variables? are stairs one or two stairs? Is there a difference between one and two?
Maybe you should read the OP before posting :roll:
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If you're wondering how I did it, I would make rows of 20 (40 for the shovel ones) and start a stopwatch right when I started and stop it when I was finished. I then divided the numbers by 20. Voila. Enjoy :biggrin.gif:
Room for error. Stop watch times could be inaccurate.
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TAC: 1:3
"He who sees thy challenge shall be victorious."
I usually make pickaxes out of iron. You only need to find 3 ore per 129 blocks broken to break even. I was making huge iron profits with iron picks even before caves. Iron has the advantage of requiring fewer tool changes, taking up less inventory (and if you care, wood) for the materials you mine, and being 30% faster.
To people worried about the accuracy: he posted his methods, and the materials used (stopwatch) are trivial to come across. Run the experiment yourselves and compare numbers. Sciiience!
For increased accuracy, larger numbers of blocks can be used. For example, instead of rows of 20, you can do rows of 64. Then you could also get another useful number: the amount of time it takes to wear out a tool. If the chart is accurate, this number can be calculated by multiplying [the time per block for the material] by [the number of uses for the material] and will match your use/tool time.
For example, an iron pick on smooth stone: [.68s/use]*[129use/tool] = 87.72s/tool
A stone pick on smooth stone: [.89s/use][65use/tool] = 57.85s/tool
A little something-something: I've noticed that manually clicking just as you finish processing one block is a tiny bit faster than just holding down LMB. I have no idea why it does that, but this leads to a conclusion that there's a slight delay between actions. This delay was not accounted for in calculations done by crixnminx (although, admittedly, you still did a damn great job!).
A little something-something: I've noticed that manually clicking just as you finish processing one block is a tiny bit faster than just holding down LMB. I have no idea why it does that, but this leads to a conclusion that there's a slight delay between actions. This delay was not accounted for in calculations done by crixnminx (although, admittedly, you still did a damn great job!).
Agreed. But when moving forwards through a line, I didn't notice this delay at all, while there still may be possible delays, they were very tiny, and would not have changed the data that much.
To address other concerns:
Yeah yeah sorry about leaving obsidian the way it was, I was GOING to post up pretty graphs too but the way print screen works, it only takes 680x480 res pictures... So I couldn't figure out any good way to get my graphs on there in high res... Whatever
Also, I tested all the shovel materials TWICE. And for most of the rock-type ones, as you can see, many have the same values, I figured notch put the same numbers in for those, so if I got a number within milliseconds of the other ones, I considered it to be equal.
When I say "stair blocks" I mean double stacked half-stone-tiles. And yes, the singles and doubles mine at the same speed. Or extremely close. It would have been very difficult to test the individual half tiles.
And as said above, if you don't believe some of my numbers, go get nbtedit, give yourself whatever blocks and whatever tools and post up what you find :biggrin.gif:
EDIT: Also, I would be more than happy to add it to minepedia, but I sure don't know how...
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crixnmix I'll put it up on minepedia. Would you please fill in the rest of the data please, for consistency? Such as all of the blanks and "XX". This is especially relevent for the non-ores as any method may be used by an experienced player when just needing to move a block out of the way. Regardless, good job!
crixnmix I'll put it up on minepedia. Would you please fill in the rest of the data please, for consistency? Such as all of the blanks and "XX". This is especially relevent for the non-ores as any method may be used by an experienced player when just needing to move a block out of the way. Regardless, good job!
Umm. The only ones I left out were the blocks that take like an hour to destroy with said pickaxe... You go try mining a diamond block with your hands... If you wanna go figure out all those times, go ahead. I figure they're not applicable to 99.9% of people who read it... Seriously, who wants to know how long it takes to chop a stone with your HAND?
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It's unusual how you have it that hands and shovels work the same on sand. I've always seen shovels be quicker.
But anyway, .
WAT? Hands are not the same as shovels on sand... Ur doin it wrong... (reading)
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Rule number 1 of Minecraft: Never mine the ground under your feet. Ever.
Anyways, I posted up a picture of the basic info, if you want to make your own graphs and charts, go ahead :biggrin.gif:
So yeah, those are all the values, in seconds, of each block/tool.
If you're wondering how I did it, I would make rows of 20 (40 for the shovel ones) and start a stopwatch right when I started and stop it when I was finished. I then divided the numbers by 20. Voila. Enjoy :biggrin.gif:
Also, in viewing the graphs, there are a few conclusions I came to:
[*:3i2bxd2w]ALWAYS use tools. Stone shovels are roughly double hands. Stone hatchets are about 3 times as fast as hands, and stone pickaxes are about 60% faster than wood
I personally make shovels out of iron, as I get 128 uses for only 1 iron. That seems to be a fair trade for me. The other tools, I normally stick with stone.[*:3i2bxd2w]Unless you are super tight on inventory space, don't use diamond. Its not worth the minor speed gain.
[*:3i2bxd2w]Iron is your best bet for speed vs. durability. Yet usually you use more than you gain when spelunking, so be careful.
[*:3i2bxd2w]Stone is by far the most efficient tool. I suggest making most tools out of stone, as you will have more than enough of it.
Also, the strangest observation for me was that both glass AND leaves get "cut" faster with WEAPONS, but not any kind of tools... Hatchets lose "normal" durability for leaves (as if hatchets are made for them) yet they don't cut the leaves any faster than hands... Whereas weapons all go faster on leaves, yet they lose double durability.
You should add this stuff to minepedia.
5/19/13 Expect Us
One nitpick, though: "Stair Block", is that the new or old stair?
"We will absolutely not keep in mind what external mapeditors will have to do to read data from the disk, that makes no sense whatsoever." - Grum
EDIT: I wonder how long hoes take? :mrgreen:
As long as you have money.
Ontopic: How did you find this out? What method? Did you eliminate any unwanted variables? are stairs one or two stairs? Is there a difference between one and two?
TAC: 1:3
"He who sees thy challenge shall be victorious."
Maybe you should read the OP before posting :roll:
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Underwater base with furnace walls, protected by a coating of cobblestone to protect against TNT = ABSOBALLYLUTELY INVINCIBLE BASE
or obsidian, I suppose, but that would be harder to get unless you can manage to rig an obsidian factory.
did you do multiple trials of each or did you just do one and say "good enough"
Room for error. Stop watch times could be inaccurate.
TAC: 1:3
"He who sees thy challenge shall be victorious."
TAC: 1:3
"He who sees thy challenge shall be victorious."
To people worried about the accuracy: he posted his methods, and the materials used (stopwatch) are trivial to come across. Run the experiment yourselves and compare numbers. Sciiience!
For increased accuracy, larger numbers of blocks can be used. For example, instead of rows of 20, you can do rows of 64. Then you could also get another useful number: the amount of time it takes to wear out a tool. If the chart is accurate, this number can be calculated by multiplying [the time per block for the material] by [the number of uses for the material] and will match your use/tool time.
For example, an iron pick on smooth stone: [.68s/use]*[129use/tool] = 87.72s/tool
A stone pick on smooth stone: [.89s/use][65use/tool] = 57.85s/tool
Agreed. But when moving forwards through a line, I didn't notice this delay at all, while there still may be possible delays, they were very tiny, and would not have changed the data that much.
To address other concerns:
Yeah yeah sorry about leaving obsidian the way it was, I was GOING to post up pretty graphs too but the way print screen works, it only takes 680x480 res pictures... So I couldn't figure out any good way to get my graphs on there in high res... Whatever
Also, I tested all the shovel materials TWICE. And for most of the rock-type ones, as you can see, many have the same values, I figured notch put the same numbers in for those, so if I got a number within milliseconds of the other ones, I considered it to be equal.
When I say "stair blocks" I mean double stacked half-stone-tiles. And yes, the singles and doubles mine at the same speed. Or extremely close. It would have been very difficult to test the individual half tiles.
And as said above, if you don't believe some of my numbers, go get nbtedit, give yourself whatever blocks and whatever tools and post up what you find :biggrin.gif:
EDIT: Also, I would be more than happy to add it to minepedia, but I sure don't know how...
But anyway, .
wait, what?
Umm. The only ones I left out were the blocks that take like an hour to destroy with said pickaxe... You go try mining a diamond block with your hands... If you wanna go figure out all those times, go ahead. I figure they're not applicable to 99.9% of people who read it... Seriously, who wants to know how long it takes to chop a stone with your HAND?
WAT? Hands are not the same as shovels on sand... Ur doin it wrong... (reading)