So Survival Multiplayer is a rather large and hot topic here. Lots of discussions on how things should work and what will be a problem and what people will do when it comes out. Normally I would allow this as people have a very wide idea of what SMP will be like as this will be a hefty update. But the same arguments and flames and discussions keep cropping up and those threads seem to pop up all the time. One can't ban discussion on the topic because of the nature of it, so I'm making this thread to confine all discussion on Survival Multiplayer to a single place.
You have an idea for SMP? Spotted a flaw? Don't think people are seeing what gameplay will be like the right way? Land claim flags? Griefing? Servers? Speculation? Dreams and hopes? Rants? All that goes here.
Mind you the forums rules still apply here, so remember The Rules and keep this thread chill. Note that all plans are subject to change at the discretion of the developer.
I think its rather funny that we feel we need this thread at all.
People are going to post whatever they want, where they want with no regards to what threads
already exist.
Mildly on topic, I think SMP will be more along the line of one person doing his/her own thing, until another comes along, offers/requests to tag along. The only real fighting that should happen should be over certain areas of land one person thinks is his/her own, and willing to defend it, you ******* moderator.
1) Some servers will just be total, barbaric slaughter and fighting. (Fun!)
2) Some servers will be organised war (or at least, raids) and strategy to fighting. (Logic!)
3) Some servers will be city building with fighting restricted from building destruction. (Awesome!)
Justnoskill, you seem not to have seen this thread viewtopic.php?f=35&t=18066
there will be mindless destruction.
If there is a thread, I have seen it.
The reality is that people wont always do what they say they will.
Servers will most definitely be moderated and follow a certain play style.
The servers that promote rampant autism will have that. The norm will most likely just be
minecrafters doing what they do best, mining and crafting.
An idea for SMP to help it feel infinite but still not be a massive strain on servers would be, Basically have it so that the world is divided it into regions, And have each region be connected to a separate server. With ether a teleport at the region edges to the other regions, or a buffer zone that moves you to the other server seamlessly when you walk through it. It could help extend the maps sizes and lower the strain it has on servers.
An idea for SMP to help it feel infinite but still not be a massive strain on servers would be, Basically have it so that the world is divided it into regions, And have each region be connected to a separate server. With ether a teleport at the region edges to the other regions, or a buffer zone that moves you to the other server seamlessly when you walk through it. It could help extend the maps sizes and lower the strain it has on servers.
So, basicly like the "world" function in Creative Multiplayer?
I think most people are wussies when it comes to 'supposed griefing'. Aren't people interested in castle warfare? pillaging? Assassinations? For people to just go "HARRR LETS BUILD PETER GRIFFINS IN SURVIVAL BECAUSE IT'S MORE OF A CHALLENGE" It's naive.
I have no objections to castle warfare! Or assassinations! That sounds like fun!
But only when I feel like participating. I want my castle excluded from the raids if I am to busy mining to defend it. I want exemptions from assassination when I am building my farm...
In fact, someone should only be targetable when they agree to allow themselves to be targeted. Why should I pander to other peoples desire to kill stuff, with no enjoyment on my part?
Getting killed out of the blue by some ass who just joined is not my idea of fun.
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Ok so let's make wood be the strongest material, make pigs fly, and make cows produce lava instead of milk.
I have no objections to castle warfare! Or assassinations! That sounds like fun!
But only when I feel like participating. I want my castle excluded from the raids if I am to busy mining to defend it. I want exemptions from assassination when I am building my farm...
In fact, someone should only be targetable when they agree to allow themselves to be targeted. Why should I pander to other peoples desire to kill stuff, with no enjoyment on my part?
Getting killed out of the blue by some ass who just joined is not my idea of fun.
It wouldn't be an assassination if you were allowed to prepare for it...
I think most people are wussies when it comes to 'supposed griefing'. Aren't people interested in castle warfare? pillaging? Assassinations? For people to just go "HARRR LETS BUILD PETER GRIFFINS IN SURVIVAL BECAUSE IT'S MORE OF A CHALLENGE" It's naive.
Those things won't happen unless they are strictly organized. 99% of the time it will be some random guy in another timezone entering your base when you are logged off, breaking all your chests, knocking holes in your walls, filling rooms with lava, or using dynamite to destroy structures that no doubt took you weeks to build, all while justifying it by saying you had it coming for not living out of a 4x6 shack in the bottom of a cave like they do.
Anyone who thinks there is going to be anything approaching face-to-face battles or castle warfare, or even the ability to defend your base without moderators is going to be in for a rude awakening.
I was going to make a TLDR post but I'm just going to summarize it up.
If you want to build stuff and be in a community and organize wars or organize build projects then you already probably have a private server (or one with heavy moderation) in mind where most of this stuff is already done. Great, none of this probably concerns you because you know they're already going to give you what you want from wherever you visit.
If you want to be a thief/murderer most high populated/heavily moderated servers will probably not allow this and you'll have to do your little shtick in a server where this is allowed. Unfortunately for you these servers aren't heavily moderated and most of the people there are trying to grief for annoyance's sake, not trying to be a thief/murderer, so now you're going to have nothing to steal (nobody has bothered to build/craft anything worth such an act or it's already gone) and the only people you can kill really don't care and will simply respawn and go back to being obnoxious.
If you're excited about PvP in whatever private server you go to then great, have fun. If you're excited about PvPing others in a public server then please realize you won't be some valiant knight or some deadly assassin like you're undoubtedly fantasizing yourself as becoming, you're simply going to be dropped in a pit of other people who had the exact same hopes with nothing notable on the landscape and nothing worth stealing, more than likely devolving into some giant stone sword fight where nothing is ever accomplished.
I think most people are wussies when it comes to 'supposed griefing'. Aren't people interested in castle warfare? pillaging? Assassinations? For people to just go "HARRR LETS BUILD PETER GRIFFINS IN SURVIVAL BECAUSE IT'S MORE OF A CHALLENGE" It's naive.
Those things won't happen unless they are strictly organized. 99% of the time it will be some random guy in another timezone entering your base when you are logged off, breaking all your chests, knocking holes in your walls, filling rooms with lava, or using dynamite to destroy structures that no doubt took you weeks to build, all while justifying it by saying you had it coming for not living out of a 4x6 shack in the bottom of a cave like they do.
Anyone who thinks there is going to be anything approaching face-to-face battles or castle warfare, or even the ability to defend your base without moderators is going to be in for a rude awakening.
Assuming Survival will be anything like creative. In survival you're probably not going to build pretty structures that replicate the Taj Mahal. And it's perfectly acceptable to have organized play, in the sense that moderators are on at the time to direct the game. Plus, assuming you have help, castles and other structures wont take that long to complete. So yeah, in survival it's survival, not to boast how pretty your structure is.
I was going to make a TLDR post but I'm just going to summarize it up.
If you want to build stuff and be in a community and organize wars or organize build projects then you already probably have a private server (or one with heavy moderation) in mind where most of this stuff is already done. Great, none of this probably concerns you because you know they're already going to give you what you want from wherever you visit.
If you want to be a thief/murderer most high populated/heavily moderated servers will probably not allow this and you'll have to do your little shtick in a server where this is allowed. Unfortunately for you these servers aren't heavily moderated and most of the people there are trying to grief for annoyance's sake, not trying to be a thief/murderer, so now you're going to have nothing to steal (nobody has bothered to build/craft anything worth such an act or it's already gone) and the only people you can kill really don't care and will simply respawn and go back to being obnoxious.
If you're excited about PvP in whatever private server you go to then great, have fun. If you're excited about PvPing others in a public server then please realize you won't be some valiant knight or some deadly assassin like you're undoubtedly fantasizing yourself as becoming, you're simply going to be dropped in a pit of other people who had the exact same hopes with nothing notable on the landscape and nothing worth stealing, more than likely devolving into some giant stone sword fight where nothing is ever accomplished.
I think it's important that a server has its own goals. Some will be as you accurately describe. That there will be no pvp, and logically you probably wont even be able to kill anybody because of that. You just build together. No one will be trying to become an assassin when there is no one to assassinate.
You have an idea for SMP? Spotted a flaw? Don't think people are seeing what gameplay will be like the right way? Land claim flags? Griefing? Servers? Speculation? Dreams and hopes? Rants? All that goes here.
Mind you the forums rules still apply here, so remember The Rules and keep this thread chill. Note that all plans are subject to change at the discretion of the developer.
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Hopefully that will be configurable on a per-server basis.
People are going to post whatever they want, where they want with no regards to what threads
already exist.
Mildly on topic, I think SMP will be more along the line of one person doing his/her own thing, until another comes along, offers/requests to tag along. The only real fighting that should happen should be over certain areas of land one person thinks is his/her own, and willing to defend it, you ******* moderator.
viewtopic.php?f=35&t=18066
there will be mindless destruction.
1) Some servers will just be total, barbaric slaughter and fighting. (Fun!)
2) Some servers will be organised war (or at least, raids) and strategy to fighting. (Logic!)
3) Some servers will be city building with fighting restricted from building destruction. (Awesome!)
I'll join any of them, but not intermingle : )
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If there is a thread, I have seen it.
The reality is that people wont always do what they say they will.
Servers will most definitely be moderated and follow a certain play style.
The servers that promote rampant autism will have that. The norm will most likely just be
minecrafters doing what they do best, mining and crafting.
IMO
So, basicly like the "world" function in Creative Multiplayer?
But only when I feel like participating. I want my castle excluded from the raids if I am to busy mining to defend it. I want exemptions from assassination when I am building my farm...
In fact, someone should only be targetable when they agree to allow themselves to be targeted. Why should I pander to other peoples desire to kill stuff, with no enjoyment on my part?
Getting killed out of the blue by some ass who just joined is not my idea of fun.
It wouldn't be an assassination if you were allowed to prepare for it...
Those things won't happen unless they are strictly organized. 99% of the time it will be some random guy in another timezone entering your base when you are logged off, breaking all your chests, knocking holes in your walls, filling rooms with lava, or using dynamite to destroy structures that no doubt took you weeks to build, all while justifying it by saying you had it coming for not living out of a 4x6 shack in the bottom of a cave like they do.
Anyone who thinks there is going to be anything approaching face-to-face battles or castle warfare, or even the ability to defend your base without moderators is going to be in for a rude awakening.
If you want to build stuff and be in a community and organize wars or organize build projects then you already probably have a private server (or one with heavy moderation) in mind where most of this stuff is already done. Great, none of this probably concerns you because you know they're already going to give you what you want from wherever you visit.
If you want to be a thief/murderer most high populated/heavily moderated servers will probably not allow this and you'll have to do your little shtick in a server where this is allowed. Unfortunately for you these servers aren't heavily moderated and most of the people there are trying to grief for annoyance's sake, not trying to be a thief/murderer, so now you're going to have nothing to steal (nobody has bothered to build/craft anything worth such an act or it's already gone) and the only people you can kill really don't care and will simply respawn and go back to being obnoxious.
If you're excited about PvP in whatever private server you go to then great, have fun. If you're excited about PvPing others in a public server then please realize you won't be some valiant knight or some deadly assassin like you're undoubtedly fantasizing yourself as becoming, you're simply going to be dropped in a pit of other people who had the exact same hopes with nothing notable on the landscape and nothing worth stealing, more than likely devolving into some giant stone sword fight where nothing is ever accomplished.