Guys, stop. Flaming his wife gets nothing done. She's in more trying situations than most people will ever understand, she's still doing the best she can to help. Not to mention that ALL women deserve respect, no matter how irritated you are. No amount of money, time, or effort is worth kicking a women when she is down. Ever. She's doing her best, and people are getting positive results. The issue is solved, and money is being processed. I don't care how upset you are, she took a volatile situation head on, and found a solution. Give her a break. When it comes down to it, it's just a game. I know what it's like to invest small money in something and have it be less than I expected. Everybody does. I'm not excusing what happened, that was poor business management on her husband's part. Regardless of how trying the circumstances are, if Wal-Mart suddenly stopped letting people in or out of the doors, people would be angry. But now that we know the circumstances, can't we forgive the one person who can help us get what we're so upset about back?
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My turn... and when I'm done here there's going to be a lot of people feeling pretty stupid. On both sides of this.
Last night Erin (Fitzy) gave me the server account credentials and I've been spending what time I could trying to figure out how things were setup. It appears that there are about 191 or so different servers setup, and it's clear that they were in the middle of being transferred/upgraded when Steve was arrested. If you're not smart enough to verify that Steve Hammerly is currently sitting in jail in Connecticut with a $290,000 bond right now, I'm not going to spend any time trying to convince you that it's true.
I started this because I really wanted to be able to download my World file, and at the same time help some of the other people that feel they've been "scammed" to recoup some of their lost time by making it possible for them to download their own World files.
But in the process, I've been able to access the email accounts for steve@ and [email protected], and I've found something that pretty much convinces me that no matter what Steve's past mistakes have been, it wasn't his intention to scam people here.
On 10/21/2010 at 10:00am, Steve saved this email in his Drafts folder:
Notch,
Let me preface my email with saying congrats on all that's happening for you. It's good to see someone make it off thier hard work. I'm incredibly happy for you, and you've started a huge community. Good work.
Well, I've been pestered by soem friends, co-workers and customers to contact you. I shrug it off, and say "he's far too busy to be bothered by me". Nonetheless, one of my customers (raziaar) told me I would be common courtesy to check in with you if I'm making a dollar of your hard work. And I am.
I started hosting Minecraft servers a couple of months ago for friends, and people that were looking. I charge very little, but it's getting huge now. I'm receiving several dozen orders per day and I was able to quit my job and do this full-time.
I use a custom server wrapper to get some extra commands, but I use your default minecraft_server.jar as well as a modified version of the mysql database (just added some extra columns). We also verify names.
I could go on and on about it, and thank you profusely. Just know that I'm happy for you, and the madness you're experiencing right now will be worth it in the end. Hell, it's worth it now, you're bringing happiness to a lot of people.
If you have any concerns with what we're doing, just let us know. You're the boss.
Thanks,
Steve
With that in mind, I really find it very hard to believe that it was his intention to scam people. When you add Erin's willingness to give me (a complete stranger) access to the whole thing, I just don't see how it's possible.
Again, if you're still too stupid to insist you were scammed, I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you otherwise. I've had absolutely no access to the billing side of this thing, and my guess is that a lot of the billing is setup automatically and Erin has very little control over that side of the thing.
So here's the deal, I believe I can make everyone's world file available for download. I'm going to do it BY REQUEST only, and in the order of the requests I receive. I have no idea how long the account at their server space is going to be available, so if you want it I suggest you request it as soon as possible. The ONLY place I'm going to take requests is by a private message here on this forums. I don't want a bunch of irate messages in my email demanding my attention. I promise you, rude people will go to the end of the line.
There you have it people. Ready? Go.
1) I call BS on that email
2) I highly DOUBT that it really was sent and the only way to know is if NOTCH had posted receiving it. Which he hasn't.
3) what I BELIEVE that is, is a pretty poor attempt to cover up an obvious scam.
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I appreciate you sending the map file out to me Scotti.
Unfortunately though, large portions of our world are corrupted and we've been thinking maybe we're just going to have to start anew from fresh with another host somewhere and put all of this disaster behind us.
Even during the time Steve was around, and while he seemed to be great about his determination to keep Mynecraft going, nothing ever really seemed to live up to the promises in regards to performance, features, etc.
One of my last e-mails to Steve before all of this drama exploded was that I was just about ready to have to bail on Mynecraft and for him to send me my world.
The following is that last e-mail I sent to him.
I don't remember what my last e-mail subject was, or if it was sent out... my email program seems to have swallowed it.
Anyway, the original is contained within here... and I have a follow up.
I think I'm going to have to end up canceling my account. I just can't continue paying with my peoples money for this when they are telling me I need to stop and fall away.
Initially I was going to ask for a refund for the first month, since it has been a sorely un-enjoyable experience, but I'm going to swallow the charges myself and give all the donations given to me for the server by my guys. My choice to go with Mynecraft, my mistake. I would like to see how Mynecraft does in the future when the game goes live, but I honestly can't continue to pay such a sum for further months.
I also noticed on my bank account that I was charged again for a second month possibly... a 39.99 charge like the previous one, 5 days early. I don't know for a fact that it's for mynecraft yet, but I'll know that tomorrow for sure. I'm fine with you taking the first month, but a second month is quite unacceptable, especially since we're not at the mark yet, and you had mentioned before about no further charges to our account.
Seeing as I can no longer download the map or access anything related to the server, I would make a request that I be sent a copy of our world as well as any other pertinent information. I can grab the whitelist information and such from the website, but I can't snag the world information.
I'm really sorry Steve, but I cannot continue along with Mynecraft, at least hosting a server for my forum at http://www.halflife2.net/forums
I'm sorry you've been going through such a rough growth and haven't been able to keep everybody as happy as you'd have liked.
Please respond ASAP.
Thanks,
Account: RaziaarSo really it was the end for me either way.
I suggest everyone file to have their money returned to them and go with a different service provider as this fine example has shown. GET YOUR MONEY BACK now before anymore damage is done AND get any and all payments methods canceled so they cannot rip you off any further.
The man running this site is clearly either incompetent or dishonest. Society forgives neither, especially with regards to adults and when money is involved. His jail time due to fraud is a blatant reflection of his character and I suggest keeping the word spread that Mynecraft is a fraud. You are not getting what you payed for or you are being charged without the guidelines of a payment plan and that is the definition of fraud in itself.
I have server to Mynecraft.com aswell, but i realy dont want a chargeback, imagine the hell Ftzy and the kids are going trough now guys, dont be so harsh against her as many in this forum have been. I just want the money to stop. so i wont loose more money. not sure how to do that. but i sendt a mail to steve about it few weeks before this happent.
I just feel sorry for ftzy and her family for going trough a hell cause of this
You need to contact your bank or credit card company and stop all further charges. There's no one answering email at mynecraft.com right now, so any messages or tickets you're submitting are not being seen. Steve is in jail, and Erin does not have easy access to the Internet.
Just wanted to chime in and let any that are interested know that the last charge to my credit card was refunded. The service was great during the time mynecraft.com was working (a little over three weeks) so I wont be requesting the original charge back.
I really wish that mynecraft.com would have prevailed. I like the service very much while it was up.
Yeah, the only reason I was sticking with them was they had some great ideas, and Steve really is a slick talker (which is probably how he's managed to get himself in his current situation). I'm glad the money thing is getting resolved, and it seems that most people that were interested in getting their World files have received them.
Well the money thing is getting resolved for me because I had filed a complaint with my bank.
I still would like to hear updates on anyone else who have not done such a filing with their bank and if they still get refunded.
EVERYONE should contact their bank/credit card to make sure charges are being stopped. As has been said, there's NO one running things at mynecraft.com, and you shouldn't hope it "just happens". Erin said she refunded everyone, but her life is in turmoil right now, so I'd suggest everyone cover their own ass.
Raziaar wrote :
> Well the money thing is getting resolved for me because I had filed a
> complaint with my bank.
>
> I still would like to hear updates on anyone else who have not done such a
> filing with their bank and if they still get refunded.
I just checked an i got refunded for the extra charge dont much care about the first charge because i only used the server for about 3 weeks or so. i had called my bank and said they couldnt do anything, and would have to get ahold of steven to discuss the issue
Scotti wrote :
> Yeah, the only reason I was sticking with them was they had some great
> ideas, and Steve really is a slick talker (which is probably how he's
> managed to get himself in his current situation). I'm glad the money thing
> is getting resolved, and it seems that most people that were interested in
> getting their World files have received them.
I received my refund and have changed my credit card number. Still no world files yet, which is what I cared about more than the money, really.
atleastzero wrote :
> Scotti wrote :
> > Yeah, the only reason I was sticking with them was they had some great
> > ideas, and Steve really is a slick talker (which is probably how he's
> > managed to get himself in his current situation). I'm glad the money thing
> > is getting resolved, and it seems that most people that were interested in
> > getting their World files have received them.
>
> I received my refund and have changed my credit card number. Still no world files
> yet, which is what I cared about more than the money, really.
I've made about 30 world files available to their owners, and I've never received a request from you. I will add you to the list and take a look at it when I get home tonight.
atleastzero wrote :
> Scotti wrote :
> > Yeah, the only reason I was sticking with them was they had some great
> > ideas, and Steve really is a slick talker (which is probably how he's
> > managed to get himself in his current situation). I'm glad the money thing
> > is getting resolved, and it seems that most people that were interested in
> > getting their World files have received them.
>
> I received my refund and have changed my credit card number. Still no world files
> yet, which is what I cared about more than the money, really.
I've made about 30 world files available to their owners, and I've never received a request from you. I will add you to the list and take a look at it when I get home tonight.
I'd appreciate it. My request was done via email, so it may have been lost among the masses..
I have called and emailed trying to get my world file i keep getting told i can get it later then i see this thread with people getting theirs. I dont want a refund i just want my map and the payments to me canceled
PROVISIONAL CR - VCC DISPUTE / HIDDEN MAGIC CONSULTING Transfer 39.99
yay. Now I have to go through the process of ordering a new checking card and waiting for it to get mailed.
I still have to send out the e-mails to the bank to show what all transpired though.
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http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=63687
1) I call BS on that email
2) I highly DOUBT that it really was sent and the only way to know is if NOTCH had posted receiving it. Which he hasn't.
3) what I BELIEVE that is, is a pretty poor attempt to cover up an obvious scam.
I suggest everyone file to have their money returned to them and go with a different service provider as this fine example has shown. GET YOUR MONEY BACK now before anymore damage is done AND get any and all payments methods canceled so they cannot rip you off any further.
I just feel sorry for ftzy and her family for going trough a hell cause of this
I really wish that mynecraft.com would have prevailed. I like the service very much while it was up.
I still would like to hear updates on anyone else who have not done such a filing with their bank and if they still get refunded.
EVERYONE should contact their bank/credit card to make sure charges are being stopped. As has been said, there's NO one running things at mynecraft.com, and you shouldn't hope it "just happens". Erin said she refunded everyone, but her life is in turmoil right now, so I'd suggest everyone cover their own ass.
> Well the money thing is getting resolved for me because I had filed a
> complaint with my bank.
>
> I still would like to hear updates on anyone else who have not done such a
> filing with their bank and if they still get refunded.
I just checked an i got refunded for the extra charge dont much care about the first charge because i only used the server for about 3 weeks or so. i had called my bank and said they couldnt do anything, and would have to get ahold of steven to discuss the issue
> Yeah, the only reason I was sticking with them was they had some great
> ideas, and Steve really is a slick talker (which is probably how he's
> managed to get himself in his current situation). I'm glad the money thing
> is getting resolved, and it seems that most people that were interested in
> getting their World files have received them.
I received my refund and have changed my credit card number. Still no world files yet, which is what I cared about more than the money, really.
> Scotti wrote :
> > Yeah, the only reason I was sticking with them was they had some great
> > ideas, and Steve really is a slick talker (which is probably how he's
> > managed to get himself in his current situation). I'm glad the money thing
> > is getting resolved, and it seems that most people that were interested in
> > getting their World files have received them.
>
> I received my refund and have changed my credit card number. Still no world files
> yet, which is what I cared about more than the money, really.
I've made about 30 world files available to their owners, and I've never received a request from you. I will add you to the list and take a look at it when I get home tonight.
I'd appreciate it. My request was done via email, so it may have been lost among the masses..
Thanks.