Just so everyone can be clear on the resale and possession of their Minecon tickets as regards to Florida state laws. The following is taken from the current Florida Statutes 2013:
Title XLVI Crimes, Chapter 817 Fraudulent Practices:
817.355 Fraudulent creation or possession of admission ticket.—Any person who counterfeits, forges, alters, or possesses any ticket, token, or paper designed for admission to or the rendering of services by any sports, amusement, concert, or other facility offering services to the general public, with the intent to defraud such facility, is guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
You might buy a ticket from another person that is selling it, but if that person had counterfeited it and you have that ticket on you it is considered illegal.
You can NOT resell your Minecon ticket, which is a two day event(multiday), for more than $1 more than the original price of the ticket. If subsection (b ) is not adequate enough for the definition of a ticket then subsection (d) uses the phrase "Any ticket" .
817.361 Resale of multiday or multievent ticket.—Whoever offers for sale, sells, or transfers in connection with a commercial transaction, with or without consideration, any nontransferable ticket or other nontransferable medium designed for admission to more than one amusement location or other facility offering entertainment to the general public, or for admission for more than 1 day thereto, after said ticket or other medium has been used at least once for admission, is guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. A nontransferable ticket or other nontransferable medium is one on which is clearly printed the phrase: “Nontransferable; must be used by the same person on all days” or words of similar import. Upon conviction for a second or subsequent violation of this subsection, such person is guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
Eventbrite specifically stated Minecon tickets are non-transferable on their site. It is listed under "TRANSFERS" on their site here: http://minecon.eventbrite.com/
Good find. Problem with your find is that you are assuming the purchase and the sell is happening inside Florida, or even the United States for that matter. This finding covers those who are buying and selling inside Florida but doesn't do squat for sales outside Florida or even sales outside the United States.
Good find. Problem with your find is that you are assuming the purchase and the sell is happening inside Florida, or even the United States for that matter. This finding covers those who are buying and selling inside Florida but doesn't do squat for sales outside Florida or even sales outside the United States.
Just sayin'
I hope this helps.
I realize that, but more importantly the statute 817.355 states that even the possession of having a counterfeit ticket is illegal. I'm not saying that the following will happen but what if someone is so desperate to buy a ticket from an unofficial source and they get a fake ticket or tickets, then show up at the event? I know most places might turn you away but what if they question you about it and decide to take further actions? I just wanted to provide the information out their to people who are considering selling or buying tickets outside of EventBrite. What everyone chooses to do with the information is up to them. I totally agree that it doesn't do squat for anyone outside of Florida but people need to research and look into what they're doing and realize the consequences.
Hi, im selling this wonderful piece of lint that comes with two free minecon tickets, would anyone like to buy it?
3000 Dollars Later
Thats a Loophole
It's a loophole and also it's good evidence for a prosecutor to convict someone of INTENTIONALLY trying to sell a ticket. It would be a stupid defense because it shows the intent to trying to sell tickets but now your're covering it up by saying they are free if you buy X item with it. For example, a spouse hires a hitman to kill their other spouse. Well the hitman kills the spouse but the other spouse didn't actually commit the murder, however, they are still guilty under the intention to commit murder. There are laws for against committing a crime and there are laws against the intent of committing a crime. The seller has willful knowledge that they can not sell their ticket at such a high price or sell it at all so they give it away for free with the purchase of another item that can be sold. If they didn't have knowledge of that then why would they not sell the tickets directly instead of X item and including free tickets?
In most cases, people aren't really selling the tickets at a high price. Rather, people are buying them at a high price.
One of the reasons the price is so high is that due to the strict policies intended to prevent scalping there are not many tickets available on secondary markets. If there were more available the prices would plunge.
I agree with doing everything possible to prevent scalpers from getting the tickets. There are effective ways to do that. Trying to control it after the fact creates a mess and also creates some hardships for legitimate ticket holders and fans.
It's a loophole and also it's good evidence for a prosecutor to convict someone of INTENTIONALLY trying to sell a ticket. It would be a stupid defense because it shows the intent to trying to sell tickets but now your're covering it up by saying they are free if you buy X item with it. For example, a spouse hires a hitman to kill their other spouse. Well the hitman kills the spouse but the other spouse didn't actually commit the murder, however, they are still guilty under the intention to commit murder. There are laws for against committing a crime and there are laws against the intent of committing a crime. The seller has willful knowledge that they can not sell their ticket at such a high price or sell it at all so they give it away for free with the purchase of another item that can be sold. If they didn't have knowledge of that then why would they not sell the tickets directly instead of X item and including free tickets?
But lets get this first,
1. Nobody is hiring a hitman to kill your spouse
2. Take lint for example and put in maybe an xbox or high valued item.
3. Last time I check this is a minecraft forum, not law and order.
EDIT:
Don't get me wrong, I don't think that scalpers are right, and I'm not a scalper either. Im just saying, people have done that before.
1. Nobody is hiring a hitman to kill your spouse
2. Take lint for example and put in maybe an xbox or high valued item.
3. Last time I check this is a minecraft forum, not law and order.
EDIT:
Don't get me wrong, I don't think that scalpers are right, and I'm not a scalper either. Im just saying, people have done that before.
I was using that murder scenario as an example just like you were using the lint for getting the tickets but I was using the example to show how saying you get tickets free from a sale of something different would-be considered fraudulent. Its a forum, a forum to discuss things... It might not relevant to you but I'm just saying that this kinda stuff can happen to anyone and could cost them thousands of dollars. Yeah I know, I sound like some kinda lawyer with all the technical information that is probably going a bit overboard but it wouldn't hurt to inform people about it. Nobody likes to be ripped off in any way shape or form.
I appreciated the post. I'm not going Sunday and was hoping to let someone else into the event and recoup some costs and offer an opportunity for someone who didn't get tickets. It was useful to know that due to Mojangs non-transferable policy I can't do this under Florida law. Sorry Minecraft fans.
I appreciated the post. I'm not going Sunday and was hoping to let someone else into the event and recoup some costs and offer an opportunity for someone who didn't get tickets. It was useful to know that due to Mojangs non-transferable policy I can't do this under Florida law. Sorry Minecraft fans.
Thanks.
It kinda sucks cause you're only attending Saturday and not Sunday and the ticket is for both days. I have read and seen posts and videos of where Minecon attendees got a wrist band for the entire event so I'm thinking it would be almost impossible to give the wrist band to someone else.
They should consider selling single day passes. I know you can get a refund for tickets because there is an option for it under EventBrite's My Tickets menu but then you lose your chance to attend too on Saturday.
It kinda sucks cause you're only attending Saturday and not Sunday and the ticket is for both days. They should consider selling single day passes. I know you can get a refund for tickets because there is an option for it under Mindbrite's My Tickets menu but then you lose your chance to attend too on Saturday.
No, Im sorry, I know your just trying to help.
Im just saying that, that has happened before, and quite a bit of people get away with it.
I appreciate you helping everyone,
Summit
No, Im sorry, I know your just trying to help.
Im just saying that, that has happened before, and quite a bit of people get away with it.
I appreciate you helping everyone,
Summit
It's alright, and you're right about people getting away with it which sucks. It could be worse in the the grand scheme of things. Oh well, no hard feelings
I agree, I'm taking kids who likely won't be interested in most of the break out sessions and would be happy with access to the floor. There's also a lot for families to do in Orlando, so families taking kids might not spend both days at Minecon. 1-day tickets, floor access tickets and separate tickets for the more intimate breakout groups (like comi-con does) would have made a lot of sense and it would have allowed more people to enjoy the event. But Mojang stated "we are a game company - not a convention company", I think that's their way of justifying some of the shortcuts/simplicity surrounding the event.
Just so everyone can be clear on the resale and possession of their Minecon tickets as regards to Florida state laws. The following is taken from the current Florida Statutes 2013:
Title XLVI Crimes, Chapter 817 Fraudulent Practices:
817.355 Fraudulent creation or possession of admission ticket.—Any person who counterfeits, forges, alters, or possesses any ticket, token, or paper designed for admission to or the rendering of services by any sports, amusement, concert, or other facility offering services to the general public, with the intent to defraud such facility, is guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
You might buy a ticket from another person that is selling it, but if that person had counterfeited it and you have that ticket on you it is considered illegal.
You can NOT resell your Minecon ticket, which is a two day event(multiday), for more than $1 more than the original price of the ticket. If subsection (b ) is not adequate enough for the definition of a ticket then subsection (d) uses the phrase "Any ticket" .
817.361 Resale of multiday or multievent ticket.—Whoever offers for sale, sells, or transfers in connection with a commercial transaction, with or without consideration, any nontransferable ticket or other nontransferable medium designed for admission to more than one amusement location or other facility offering entertainment to the general public, or for admission for more than 1 day thereto, after said ticket or other medium has been used at least once for admission, is guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. A nontransferable ticket or other nontransferable medium is one on which is clearly printed the phrase: “Nontransferable; must be used by the same person on all days” or words of similar import. Upon conviction for a second or subsequent violation of this subsection, such person is guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
Eventbrite specifically stated Minecon tickets are non-transferable on their site. It is listed under "TRANSFERS" on their site here: http://minecon.eventbrite.com/
It is only illegal to sell the ticket in the state of FL. But anyone outside of FL cannot be held to state law. So it is 100% legal except in FL. So your post is mute.
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It's not about being illegal then, but against the terms and conditions set by the vendor. Even if you have the ability to change ticket names, transferring was said to be disallowed. Meaning Mojang has the right to cancel a "transferred" ticket at their discretion.
It is only illegal to sell the ticket in the state of FL. But anyone outside of FL cannot be held to state law. So it is 100% legal except in FL. So your post is mute.
It is not 100% legal, people need to check their own local laws. Just because I posted Florida laws only doesn't necessarily mean it's legal everywhere else. I also pointed out a statute that makes it illegal to have in possession a counterfeit ticket. The reason why they don't want people buying or selling tickets from non official sources is to minimize people getting ripped off. Also like aperture science pointed out the transfer of tickets was specifically stated non transferable on EventBrite site which means they can turn away people if they chose to enforce names on tickets. My post was relevant information to some people as shown by some of the responses above. If anything people should research their own local laws before deciding whether to risk selling or buying tickets. My post will be muted when a moderator deems it to be, thank you very much.
EDIT: I'll do everyone a favor and post a link that has condensed info on state by state reselling of tickets...
There could be loopholes in other state's laws. Stubhub is a pretty loose place to buy tickets for good prices. Wish I had a Ticket Oak. And no, I'm not a fugitive. LOL
It is not 100% legal, people need to check their own local laws. Just because I posted Florida laws only doesn't necessarily mean it's legal everywhere else. I also pointed out a statute that makes it illegal to have in possession a counterfeit ticket. The reason why they don't want people buying or selling tickets from non official sources is to minimize people getting ripped off. Also like aperture science pointed out the transfer of tickets was specifically stated non transferable on EventBrite site which means they can turn away people if they chose to enforce names on tickets. My post was relevant information to some people as shown by some of the responses above. If anything people should research their own local laws before deciding whether to risk selling or buying tickets. My post will be muted when a moderator deems it to be, thank you very much.
EDIT: I'll do everyone a favor and post a link that has condensed info on state by state reselling of tickets...
It is 100% legal. One state cannot make another state enforce its laws. I live in Mass. If I sell my tickets to Minecon, Florida can't do a thing to stop it. And Mass doesn't care because the event is in Florida. There are no federal laws on reselling tickets. So complain all you want that you can't afford to purchase tickets on Ebay and try to ruin other people's good time. I won't do that!
Title XLVI Crimes, Chapter 817 Fraudulent Practices:
817.355 Fraudulent creation or possession of admission ticket.—Any person who counterfeits, forges, alters, or possesses any ticket, token, or paper designed for admission to or the rendering of services by any sports, amusement, concert, or other facility offering services to the general public, with the intent to defraud such facility, is guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
You might buy a ticket from another person that is selling it, but if that person had counterfeited it and you have that ticket on you it is considered illegal.
817.36 Resale of tickets.—
(1) A person or entity that offers for resale or resells any ticket may charge only $1 above the admission price charged therefor by the original ticket seller of the ticket for the following transactions:
(a) Passage or accommodations on any common carrier in this state. However, this paragraph does not apply to travel agencies that have an established place of business in this state and are required to pay state, county, and city occupational license taxes.
(b ) Multiday or multievent tickets to a park or entertainment complex or to a concert, entertainment event, permanent exhibition, or recreational activity within such a park or complex, including an entertainment/resort complex as defined in s. 561.01(18).
© Event tickets originally issued by a charitable organization exempt from taxation under s. 501©(3) of the Internal Revenue Code for which no more than 3,000 tickets are issued per performance. The charitable organization must issue event tickets with the following statement conspicuously printed on the face or back of the ticket: “Pursuant to s. 817.36, Florida Statutes, this ticket may not be resold for more than $1 over the original admission price.” This paragraph does not apply to tickets issued or sold by a third party contractor ticketing services provider on behalf of a charitable organization otherwise included in this paragraph unless the required disclosure is printed on the ticket.
(d) Any tickets, other than the tickets in paragraph (a), paragraph (b ), or paragraph ©, that are resold or offered through an Internet website, unless such website is authorized by the original ticket seller or makes and posts the following guarantees and disclosures through Internet web pages on which are visibly posted, or links to web pages on which are posted, text to which a prospective purchaser is directed before completion of the resale transaction:
1. The website operator guarantees a full refund of the amount paid for the ticket including any servicing, handling, or processing fees, if such fees are not disclosed, when:
a. The ticketed event is canceled;
b. The purchaser is denied admission to the ticketed event, unless such denial is due to the action or omission of the purchaser;
c. The ticket is not delivered to the purchaser in the manner requested and pursuant to any delivery guarantees made by the reseller and such failure results in the purchaser’s inability to attend the ticketed event.
2. The website operator discloses that it is not the issuer, original seller, or reseller of the ticket or items and does not control the pricing of the ticket or items, which may be resold for more than their original value.
(2) This section does not authorize any individual or entity to sell or purchase tickets at any price on property where an event is being held without the prior express written consent of the owner of the property.
(3) Any sales tax due for resales under this section shall be remitted to the Department of Revenue in accordance with s. 212.04.
(4) A person who knowingly resells a ticket or tickets in violation of this section is liable to the state for a civil penalty equal to treble the amount of the price for which the ticket or tickets were resold.
(5) A person who intentionally uses or sells software to circumvent on a ticket seller’s Internet website a security measure, an access control system, or any other control or measure that is used to ensure an equitable ticket-buying process is liable to the state for a civil penalty equal to treble the amount for which the ticket or tickets were sold.
(6) As used in this section, the term “software” means computer programs that are primarily designed or produced for the purpose of interfering with the operation of any person or entity that sells, over the Internet, tickets of admission to a sporting event, theater, musical performance, or place of public entertainment or amusement of any kind.
You can NOT resell your Minecon ticket, which is a two day event(multiday), for more than $1 more than the original price of the ticket. If subsection (b ) is not adequate enough for the definition of a ticket then subsection (d) uses the phrase "Any ticket" .
817.361 Resale of multiday or multievent ticket.—Whoever offers for sale, sells, or transfers in connection with a commercial transaction, with or without consideration, any nontransferable ticket or other nontransferable medium designed for admission to more than one amusement location or other facility offering entertainment to the general public, or for admission for more than 1 day thereto, after said ticket or other medium has been used at least once for admission, is guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. A nontransferable ticket or other nontransferable medium is one on which is clearly printed the phrase: “Nontransferable; must be used by the same person on all days” or words of similar import. Upon conviction for a second or subsequent violation of this subsection, such person is guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
Eventbrite specifically stated Minecon tickets are non-transferable on their site. It is listed under "TRANSFERS" on their site here: http://minecon.eventbrite.com/
SOURCES: http://www.leg.state...tentsIndex.html
Just sayin'
I hope this helps.
3000 Dollars Later
Thats a Loophole
I realize that, but more importantly the statute 817.355 states that even the possession of having a counterfeit ticket is illegal. I'm not saying that the following will happen but what if someone is so desperate to buy a ticket from an unofficial source and they get a fake ticket or tickets, then show up at the event? I know most places might turn you away but what if they question you about it and decide to take further actions? I just wanted to provide the information out their to people who are considering selling or buying tickets outside of EventBrite. What everyone chooses to do with the information is up to them. I totally agree that it doesn't do squat for anyone outside of Florida but people need to research and look into what they're doing and realize the consequences.
It's a loophole and also it's good evidence for a prosecutor to convict someone of INTENTIONALLY trying to sell a ticket. It would be a stupid defense because it shows the intent to trying to sell tickets but now your're covering it up by saying they are free if you buy X item with it. For example, a spouse hires a hitman to kill their other spouse. Well the hitman kills the spouse but the other spouse didn't actually commit the murder, however, they are still guilty under the intention to commit murder. There are laws for against committing a crime and there are laws against the intent of committing a crime. The seller has willful knowledge that they can not sell their ticket at such a high price or sell it at all so they give it away for free with the purchase of another item that can be sold. If they didn't have knowledge of that then why would they not sell the tickets directly instead of X item and including free tickets?
One of the reasons the price is so high is that due to the strict policies intended to prevent scalping there are not many tickets available on secondary markets. If there were more available the prices would plunge.
I agree with doing everything possible to prevent scalpers from getting the tickets. There are effective ways to do that. Trying to control it after the fact creates a mess and also creates some hardships for legitimate ticket holders and fans.
But lets get this first,
1. Nobody is hiring a hitman to kill your spouse
2. Take lint for example and put in maybe an xbox or high valued item.
3. Last time I check this is a minecraft forum, not law and order.
EDIT:
Don't get me wrong, I don't think that scalpers are right, and I'm not a scalper either. Im just saying, people have done that before.
I was using that murder scenario as an example just like you were using the lint for getting the tickets but I was using the example to show how saying you get tickets free from a sale of something different would-be considered fraudulent. Its a forum, a forum to discuss things... It might not relevant to you but I'm just saying that this kinda stuff can happen to anyone and could cost them thousands of dollars. Yeah I know, I sound like some kinda lawyer with all the technical information that is probably going a bit overboard but it wouldn't hurt to inform people about it. Nobody likes to be ripped off in any way shape or form.
I appreciated the post. I'm not going Sunday and was hoping to let someone else into the event and recoup some costs and offer an opportunity for someone who didn't get tickets. It was useful to know that due to Mojangs non-transferable policy I can't do this under Florida law. Sorry Minecraft fans.
Thanks.
It kinda sucks cause you're only attending Saturday and not Sunday and the ticket is for both days. I have read and seen posts and videos of where Minecon attendees got a wrist band for the entire event so I'm thinking it would be almost impossible to give the wrist band to someone else.
They should consider selling single day passes. I know you can get a refund for tickets because there is an option for it under EventBrite's My Tickets menu but then you lose your chance to attend too on Saturday.
No, Im sorry, I know your just trying to help.
Im just saying that, that has happened before, and quite a bit of people get away with it.
I appreciate you helping everyone,
Summit
It's alright, and you're right about people getting away with it which sucks. It could be worse in the the grand scheme of things. Oh well, no hard feelings
I agree, I'm taking kids who likely won't be interested in most of the break out sessions and would be happy with access to the floor. There's also a lot for families to do in Orlando, so families taking kids might not spend both days at Minecon. 1-day tickets, floor access tickets and separate tickets for the more intimate breakout groups (like comi-con does) would have made a lot of sense and it would have allowed more people to enjoy the event. But Mojang stated "we are a game company - not a convention company", I think that's their way of justifying some of the shortcuts/simplicity surrounding the event.
(I hid the quote in spoilers)
Thanks so much! I have seen too many threads about ticket sales.
It is not 100% legal, people need to check their own local laws. Just because I posted Florida laws only doesn't necessarily mean it's legal everywhere else. I also pointed out a statute that makes it illegal to have in possession a counterfeit ticket. The reason why they don't want people buying or selling tickets from non official sources is to minimize people getting ripped off. Also like aperture science pointed out the transfer of tickets was specifically stated non transferable on EventBrite site which means they can turn away people if they chose to enforce names on tickets. My post was relevant information to some people as shown by some of the responses above. If anything people should research their own local laws before deciding whether to risk selling or buying tickets. My post will be muted when a moderator deems it to be, thank you very much.
EDIT: I'll do everyone a favor and post a link that has condensed info on state by state reselling of tickets...
http://seatgeek.com/blog/ticket-industry/ticket-resale-laws
It is 100% legal. One state cannot make another state enforce its laws. I live in Mass. If I sell my tickets to Minecon, Florida can't do a thing to stop it. And Mass doesn't care because the event is in Florida. There are no federal laws on reselling tickets. So complain all you want that you can't afford to purchase tickets on Ebay and try to ruin other people's good time. I won't do that!