Ender chests are far from being OP in SSP. No question about it.
The main problem is with SMP.
The fact that anyone can acess the chest seems like a major downside. Most servers have about 50-100 active players, and you'll probably only get to know and trust at least 15 of them. On smaller servers this is'nt really a problem because most of the players you probably actually know (irl).
Keeping it as a community chest would work, but only for a small amount of time. People would just eventioually start using it as a trash bin, and it would clog up with useless crap that no one wants.
The developers could have easily fixed this when they first made ender chests by storing each player's ender chest contents in the player's (.dat) server file (or something like that). This lets everyone have their own "ender chests" without making it into a community chest.
Imagine a gigantic cyborg, vaporizing people with one hand and spewing Plasma bolts with the other, and at any moment it may go crazy and target everyone as enemies.
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1) Look, you don't have to keep posting.
2) We understand you don't have an argument for any points,
3) so you're just stretching this along to make you look good.
4)I suggest you stop now while you're ahead.
Some paraphrase (I am not saying you said just this, but this is what is easy to take out of what you said):
1) Go away.
2) You are stupid/ignorant.
3) You are being pointless.
4) Go away already.
I don't know about you, but this isn't "Giving me constructive criticism"
1) I didn't realize that you alone know if I'm insulting you or not.
2) The problem with you "illustration" is that it's not case accurate at all; by standing in one spot, you aren't affecting anybody else. Changing the Enderchest, like you want, does.
3) Are we back on page 5 where you kept telling people not to argue? Are we really having this again? Let me pull out the definition of a criticism and the definition of an insult.
Dictionary.com defines a criticism as "the act of passing judgment as to the merits of anything."
It defines insult as "to treat or speak to insolently or with contemptuous rudeness; affront." I'm not speaking to you with rudeness.
Again, nobody is insulting you. You may take offense whenever we critique your views, but that doesn't mean we're bashing on you.
4) Once more, I'm going to ask you to accept defeat and face that we're not insulting you.
1) It isn't that hard to see.
2) I am referring (at this point) to opinions, not what those opinions are saying, just the opinions, and I don't appreciate it when you say that my opinion (that I believe in) is stupid
3) Yes you are (see above).
4) I will not "accept defeat" as I have not been defeated, for example:
I proved you wrong here:
You'll have to get a diamond pickaxe, for starters. Also, the Priest doesn't sell Eyes of Ender. He buys them.
No, you do not have to get a diamond pickaxe, you can find obsidian (in the chests) in the blacksmith shops. Oh, and:
They will sell them as well.
And you never gave me a response to this:
But then they will have the chest, and those experiences will stop happening, and the experiences that I am talking about are not the falling into lava and dieing, but the exciting feeling of barely escaping a dangerous situation with a bunch of diamonds (or other rare-ish items) in your inventory, and the incredible feeling of accomplishment that will comes with putting those rare-ish items into your safe storage area, whereas with the ender chest how it is it is like: "Oh... Look, some diamonds *Puts down ender chest* *Puts diamonds in it* *Picks up chest* hum, now what?"
Some paraphrase (I am not saying you said just this, but this is what is easy to take out of what you said):
1) Go away.
2) You are stupid/ignorant.
3) You are being pointless.
4) Go away already.
I don't know about you, but this isn't "Giving me constructive criticism"
But I didn't say that. You can take something negative out of anything.
1) It isn't that hard to see.
2) I am referring (at this point) to opinions, not what those opinions are saying, just the opinions, and I don't appreciate it when you say that my opinion (that I believe in) is stupid
3) Yes you are (see above).
Zooggydog and Koadmaster, kindly shut the **** up or get a room. At this point, it's really just annoying.
Oh, I've been put in my place. Pardon my insolence and my apologies for ruining this thread that was clearly meant to entertain you. Please, explain to me how I can debate in such a way that it doesn't annoy you.
Oh, I've been put in my place. Pardon my insolence and my apologies for ruining this thread that was clearly meant to entertain you. Please, explain to me how I can debate in such a way that it doesn't annoy you.
You're literally debating everything except the topic of this thread. Just stop your bickering and discuss ender chests, and do so without starting an argument over pointless ********. That's all I have to say.
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You're literally debating everything except the topic of this thread. Just stop your bickering and discuss ender chests, and do so without starting an argument over pointless ********. That's all I have to say.
I'm not the one who started it, I'm trying to finish it. And if you really wanted it finished, you'd have waited it out instead of perpetuating it with your post.
All I really see about enderchests is:
*they are good for keeping at bases
*if you travel with them you take the risk of losing everything you normally lose from death+the chest
*they are really nice for singleplayer(or the point of this thread: too nice so it's unbalanced) but bad for multi aggressive servers
At this point this is the arguments:
You called me a poopy head!
No! I just said you act like one!
How about this: We are all standing in a football field, I am standing and the 10 yard line, you are standing at the 40, you look over at the 10 yard line and declare it to be a stupid place to stand, I, standing on the 10 take it as an insult because it insults my intelligence for standing in a place that is evidently stupid to stand in. in the same way, when you all randomly call what I am standing for stupid, it is an insult to me as well as all the people who think the same thing.
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No matter how you gussy it up, son, it comes down to this:
If you feel like someone is insulting your intelligence because they feel a cause you believe in is stupid, then maybe you question that cause.
using your example:
If I'm standing on the 10 and you the 40 and you say "standing on the 10 is dumb", I will NOT feel insulted.
Your opinion is that standing there is dumb. My knowledge is that standing here is FREAKING AWESOME!!!!1
So if you feel all like :C because someone said your cause is stoopid.
Maybe you are starting to believe it?
I think nothing should be changed, except you should only let certain people to use the chest. (Multi-player commands).
I have a small house in the sky, and I refuse to go out. Except for food and stuff. So my friends can send me up items, and I send them down something in return. So, I built a kind of shed with a res on it, and protected the door so my friends could get in, but not other people. But still, it'd be good if I could use commands instead.
I'm not the one who started it, I'm trying to finish it. And if you really wanted it finished, you'd have waited it out instead of perpetuating it with your post.
I "avoided" it because I had no comment on it. I mean, what do you want me to say? I don't particularly care for this idea since diamonds are, ultimately, just tedious to get.
1. You said the enderchest wasn't broken.
2. I'm not saying I want this to happen, I'm saying that, if this happened, everyone would still be using the enderchests. "because those 26 extra inventory slots are priceless"
1) But I didn't say that. You can take something negative out of anything.
2) See above, you're putting words in my mouth.
3) That's one minor detail I got wrong and that's out of the context of the discussion.
4) What do you want me to say to it? That experiences are subjective?
1) I am sure that you didn't just mean to give me some constructive criticism, but I will drop this, because:
2) Perhaps, but ultimately you wont accept what I said about your stuff being an insult, because then you might feel guilty, which you don't want to do, I am not saying that you actively think you will feel guilty, but at some subconscious level you know that if I am right you will feel guilty.
I will keep this short, you don't have to respond to any of the stuff I said above this.
3) I know, but I still proved you wrong and I noticed that you didn't respond to that
4) Perhaps, but I think you will agree that finding a diamond and getting back home alive is very exciting, whereas finding a diamond and dropping a chest and moving on will be much less exciting.
All I really see about enderchests is:
*they are good for keeping at bases
*if you travel with them you take the risk of losing everything you normally lose from death+the chest
*they are really nice for singleplayer(or the point of this thread: too nice so it's unbalanced) but bad for multi aggressive servers
At this point this is the arguments:
You called me a poopy head!
No! I just said you act like one!
You know, you are kind-of right, I will make an attempt at not doing this so much
No matter how you gussy it up, son, it comes down to this:
If you feel like someone is insulting your intelligence because they feel a cause you believe in is stupid, then maybe you question that cause.
using your example:
If I'm standing on the 10 and you the 40 and you say "standing on the 10 is dumb", I will NOT feel insulted.
Your opinion is that standing there is dumb. My knowledge is that standing here is FREAKING AWESOME!!!!1
So if you feel all like :C because someone said your cause is stoopid.
Maybe you are starting to believe it?
You make a good point here, but I think the reason I feel insulted it because I am trying to have an open mind about this (trying, not necessarily succeeding), instead of just holding on to what I think happens to be right, but you still make a good point.
2. I'm not saying I want this to happen, I'm saying that, if this happened, everyone would still be using the enderchests. "because those 26 extra inventory slots are priceless"
I agree with this, if it were made so that you crafted it with diamonds instead of obsidian (not saying we should get Mojang to do this) I would still use it in the same way
How about this: We are all standing in a football field, I am standing and the 10 yard line, you are standing at the 40, you look over at the 10 yard line and declare it to be a stupid place to stand, I, standing on the 10 take it as an insult because it insults my intelligence for standing in a place that is evidently stupid to stand in. in the same way, when you all randomly call what I am standing for stupid, it is an insult to me as well as all the people who think the same thing.
-Thank You-
I don't know how many times I have to say it, i wasn't insulting the way you guys think(in the case of your example the 10 yard line), that's your opinion, i was saying that the way she went about defending her stance(in the case of your example the 10 yard line) was invalid. I can see why you guys think it's op, and again, i'm not saying what you think is wrong, she just provided an invalid argument as to why it was right.
Pffft, you people simply doesn't know how to use it when playing many users at the same server! Let it stay as a trashcan, why not, if you ever need common things in big stacks then the chances are that material is in the trashcan (ender chest) allready.
*You want to build a big dome but doesn't have enough dirt for scafolding? Check the thrashcan!
*You want to pave a big road but doesn't have the gravel? check the trashcan!
*You want a great amount of stone for some project but seeing as it has to be smooth stone you will want some cobblestone first to melt. Now where could you possibly acquire a great amount of cobblestone, just like that?....
It would probably become clogged very quickly too. :/
Suggestion: How about in Multiplayer, there could be a key which 'locks' your chest? And it can only unlocked by the same key? Just an idea for Multiplayer if people wan't it user-specific
yeah, but if someone kills you then they can get the key, or if you die you wont have the key
2. I'm not saying I want this to happen, I'm saying that, if this happened, everyone would still be using the enderchests. "because those 26 extra inventory slots are priceless"
And I still have no comment on that because I agree with you.
1) I am sure that you didn't just mean to give me some constructive criticism, but I will drop this, because:
Look, I'm going to be straight with you; your constant insistence that I've been trying to insult you is wrong and annoying. Nobody agrees with you because you're wrong.
2) Perhaps, but ultimately you wont accept what I said about your stuff being an insult, because then you might feel guilty, which you don't want to do, I am not saying that you actively think you will feel guilty, but at some subconscious level you know that if I am right you will feel guilty.
I don't feel guilty if I insult someone over the internet.
4) Perhaps, but I think you will agree that finding a diamond and getting back home alive is very exciting, whereas finding a diamond and dropping a chest and moving on will be much less exciting.
That depends on the context of the situation. For example, I prefer to strip mine for diamonds so that I have control of the situation. Finding a diamond is exciting in its own right.
But on the topic of the Enderchest in SMP, I'm conflicted, but I'm leaning more toward the personal chest system. The chest is very much a situational item in SMP with both sides having benefits.
The main problem is with SMP.
The fact that anyone can acess the chest seems like a major downside. Most servers have about 50-100 active players, and you'll probably only get to know and trust at least 15 of them. On smaller servers this is'nt really a problem because most of the players you probably actually know (irl).
Keeping it as a community chest would work, but only for a small amount of time. People would just eventioually start using it as a trash bin, and it would clog up with useless crap that no one wants.
The developers could have easily fixed this when they first made ender chests by storing each player's ender chest contents in the player's (.dat) server file (or something like that). This lets everyone have their own "ender chests" without making it into a community chest.
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Curse PremiumSome paraphrase (I am not saying you said just this, but this is what is easy to take out of what you said):
1) Go away.
2) You are stupid/ignorant.
3) You are being pointless.
4) Go away already.
I don't know about you, but this isn't "Giving me constructive criticism"
1) It isn't that hard to see.
2) I am referring (at this point) to opinions, not what those opinions are saying, just the opinions, and I don't appreciate it when you say that my opinion (that I believe in) is stupid
3) Yes you are (see above).
4) I will not "accept defeat" as I have not been defeated, for example:
I proved you wrong here:
And you never gave me a response to this:
You just ignored it, may I ask why?
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But I didn't say that. You can take something negative out of anything.
See above, you're putting words in my mouth.
That's one minor detail I got wrong and that's out of the context of the discussion.
What do you want me to say to it? That experiences are subjective?
Oh, I've been put in my place. Pardon my insolence and my apologies for ruining this thread that was clearly meant to entertain you. Please, explain to me how I can debate in such a way that it doesn't annoy you.
You're literally debating everything except the topic of this thread. Just stop your bickering and discuss ender chests, and do so without starting an argument over pointless ********. That's all I have to say.
Twitter: @EvanLange7737
I'm not the one who started it, I'm trying to finish it. And if you really wanted it finished, you'd have waited it out instead of perpetuating it with your post.
*they are good for keeping at bases
*if you travel with them you take the risk of losing everything you normally lose from death+the chest
*they are really nice for singleplayer(or the point of this thread: too nice so it's unbalanced) but bad for multi aggressive servers
At this point this is the arguments:
You called me a poopy head!
No! I just said you act like one!
No matter how you gussy it up, son, it comes down to this:
If you feel like someone is insulting your intelligence because they feel a cause you believe in is stupid, then maybe you question that cause.
using your example:
If I'm standing on the 10 and you the 40 and you say "standing on the 10 is dumb", I will NOT feel insulted.
Your opinion is that standing there is dumb. My knowledge is that standing here is FREAKING AWESOME!!!!1
So if you feel all like :C because someone said your cause is stoopid.
Maybe you are starting to believe it?
I have a small house in the sky, and I refuse to go out. Except for food and stuff. So my friends can send me up items, and I send them down something in return. So, I built a kind of shed with a res on it, and protected the door so my friends could get in, but not other people. But still, it'd be good if I could use commands instead.
The first rule in the posts state NO ARGUING!
1. You said the enderchest wasn't broken.
2. I'm not saying I want this to happen, I'm saying that, if this happened, everyone would still be using the enderchests. "because those 26 extra inventory slots are priceless"
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Curse Premium1) I am sure that you didn't just mean to give me some constructive criticism, but I will drop this, because:
2) Perhaps, but ultimately you wont accept what I said about your stuff being an insult, because then you might feel guilty, which you don't want to do, I am not saying that you actively think you will feel guilty, but at some subconscious level you know that if I am right you will feel guilty.
I will keep this short, you don't have to respond to any of the stuff I said above this.
3) I know, but I still proved you wrong
4) Perhaps, but I think you will agree that finding a diamond and getting back home alive is very exciting, whereas finding a diamond and dropping a chest and moving on will be much less exciting.
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Curse PremiumYou know, you are kind-of right, I will make an attempt at not doing this so much
You make a good point here, but I think the reason I feel insulted it because I am trying to have an open mind about this (trying, not necessarily succeeding), instead of just holding on to what I think happens to be right, but you still make a good point.
I agree with this, if it were made so that you crafted it with diamonds instead of obsidian (not saying we should get Mojang to do this) I would still use it in the same way
I don't know how many times I have to say it, i wasn't insulting the way you guys think(in the case of your example the 10 yard line), that's your opinion, i was saying that the way she went about defending her stance(in the case of your example the 10 yard line) was invalid. I can see why you guys think it's op, and again, i'm not saying what you think is wrong, she just provided an invalid argument as to why it was right.
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yeah, but if someone kills you then they can get the key, or if you die you wont have the key
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Curse PremiumI feel you are right
Okay, what's your point?
And I still have no comment on that because I agree with you.
Look, I'm going to be straight with you; your constant insistence that I've been trying to insult you is wrong and annoying. Nobody agrees with you because you're wrong.
I don't feel guilty if I insult someone over the internet.
I said that I got one minor detail wrong, and you took it out of the context of the situation. What did you want me to say?
That depends on the context of the situation. For example, I prefer to strip mine for diamonds so that I have control of the situation. Finding a diamond is exciting in its own right.
But on the topic of the Enderchest in SMP, I'm conflicted, but I'm leaning more toward the personal chest system. The chest is very much a situational item in SMP with both sides having benefits.