Okay. Most of you know what griefing is. I'm here to explain how to halt it, after a sordid personal tale.
Sordid Personal Tale
I thought the server would never get griefed. It was small and hard-to-find anywhere on the Internet.
I WAS WRONG.
We had had a couple of minor attacks. Nothing too big. The world was backed up and quickly repaired by the friendly mods.
SUDDENLY, A HACKER APPEARS!
He uses alts and infinite-aim mods. He spawnkills. He steals. He spells his sentences incorrectly.
This is the moment of truth for a server, the moment of -
The admins are in Wales. It's 2 am there.
DAMMIT!
What not to do If a server admin has sent you to this thread, this is what you read. And the following bit, too.
Griefers want attention. Most people will quickly insult the sexuality of them when they appear. BUT THIS IS ATTENTION, TOO! IT'S A TRAP! Some smarter servers instead insult their maturity. THIS IS ALSO A TRAP!!
I know what it's like to be insulted by some cock-sucking neckbearded dickless virgin basement-dweller et cetera. But those insults, and your retorts, don't make you feel better. It's just feeding the griefer. So, resort to GoombaGeek's Universally-Helpful Emergency Server Procedure!
GoombaGeek's Universally-Helpful Emergency Server Procedure 1. Don't Panic! Disconnect Immediately.
Griefers want attention. Your server should be backed up. If it isn't, you're ****ed (sorry). If it's backed up, then it doesn't matter what happens. Save face, save time, save items. Disconnect as soon as possible. However, it won't work if lots of people are still on. Hopefully, the entire server should be reading this. 2. Wait a while! Griefers are stupider than you.
Does anyone here know the second law of thermodynamics? It's easier to destroy than create. This means that by not griefing, you are smarter than griefers automatically. A side-effect: nearly all griefers' attention spans are shot to hell. After about half-an-hour, even the most dogged griefers will have left. Therefore, just wait a while. Play some Portal. Read a webcomic. Do anything. 3. Come back on! Be nice to ops.
The ops probably weren't on. Therefore, be nice to them when they arrive. Salvage your stuff. Wait for a backup to be installed. If a griefer re-appears while you're on - disconnect again and immediately! This time, you should only have to wait about 10 minutes or so.
Typical Griefer Behaviour
This is not a list of personality flaws intended as an insult. But here is a real plea for help from the star of my sordid personal tale:
GRIEF THAT NO PLUGINS NO ADMINS ON VANILLA SERVER XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX THHEY ALL ARE ****ING NERDS
1. We do have plugins to prevent block destroying, actually. So he resorted to spawnkilling. Apparently this fact was beneath his notice.
2. We also have admins, but they weren't on. Him assuming that we have no admins whatsoever is like assuming that the sun doesn't exist because you don't see it at night.
3. This man took the time to learn Java in order to spam our chatbox with broken allcaps leet haxor talk. And apparently he thinks that we're the REAL nerds (and that being a nerd is a bad thing in the first place... which is unforgivable!) because we want to build in a game that has a deep and involved building system.
Fortunately, the YouTube channel that does this (I'm not naming them) gets about 5 pleas like this per hour, so it was dutifully ignored.
griefing is impossible to stop even if one quits more will be on. i had a server and the ip was only known by me and a close irl friend. suddenly people i don't know start joining saying that they got invited by me on youtube. what im saying is rather then how to deal with greifers you should make an article about how to prevent griefing in the first place.
griefing is impossible to stop even if one quits more will be on. i had a server and the ip was only known by me and a close irl friend. suddenly people i don't know start joining saying that they got invited by me on youtube. what im saying is rather then how to deal with greifers you should make an article about how to prevent griefing in the first place.
there are already a lot out there, that usually end in flame wars about mcbans.
and for your problem just take the server down for awhile, add a whitelist, change the server port, make backups, etc.
Suggesting that people disconnect is an excellent... suggestion.
I always tell admins to just take down the server (don't bother trying to kick or ban just yet; salvage the world first), and for bystanders to just leave. To fight back is to play their game.
Does anyone here know the second law of thermodynamics? It's easier to destroy than create
nononononono this is not the second rule of thermodynamics.
the second law of thermodynamics says that in a closed system entropy increases over time, in other words, everything reaches a state where it no longer changes.
the only thing similar to what you said would be the first law of thermodynamics, which states that nothing can be created or destroyed. neither of these rules apply to minecraft or griefing.
not to discredit your actual point, but this just bothered me quite a bit.
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nononononono this is not the second rule of thermodynamics.
the second law of thermodynamics says that in a closed system entropy increases over time, in other words, everything reaches a state where it no longer changes.
the only thing similar to what you said would be the first law of thermodynamics, which states that nothing can be created or destroyed. neither of these rules apply to minecraft or griefing.
not to discredit your actual point, but this just bothered me quite a bit.
i actually just read about this in my biology book the second law of thermodynamics states that entropy cannot decrease, it can only increase.
yes, in a closed system. entropy can decrease in an open system. but none of the laws of thermodynamics apply to minecraft in any way.
The OP should've used the fourth law of thermodynamics "What can go wrong, Will go wrong" with the server in mind "If you don't make back-ups, then your gonna get griefed", also in this instance thermodynamics can apply to minecraft.
Well said! I'm constantly trying to point this out to forum members and people ingame who complain about griefing, but they either ignore me, or call me an idiot. I managed to get the people on a server to do this a couple times, and it worked perfectly, the group of griefers got bored with no one there to insult, so they left, were blacklisted, and the server was reverted.
I think this thread definately should be stickied, but I have a feeling its not going to happen.
I'd like to contend #3 of the "Typical Griefer Behavior". The typical griefer knows absolutely nothing about Java. Instead they go to <insert name of certain hacking forum> and download one of the many clients available there.
Another good thing to do to beat griefers is to have Hawkeye, or use obsidian. Obsidian breaks that law of thermodynamics: it's easier to create than to destroy. If it's a regular griefer without hacks, and your server doesn't have pass-through plug-in items (my server has right-clicking with compass let you pass through stuff), then obsidian walls are awesome. Also, use the classic pitfall trap: pressure plate on top of sand with TNT underneath. Add huge expanse of emptiness in a column below said TNT and you have a pitfall that will not damage your structures that will beat griefers.
2. Wait a while! Griefers are stupider than you.
Does anyone here know the second law of thermodynamics? It's easier to destroy than create.
Second Law of Thermodynamics: The tendency that over time, differences in temperature, pressure, and chemical potential equilibrate in an isolated physical system.
If griefing followed the Second Law of Thermodynamics, the destruction and creation would balance each other out.
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Okay. Most of you know what griefing is. I'm here to explain how to halt it, after a sordid personal tale.
Sordid Personal Tale
I thought the server would never get griefed. It was small and hard-to-find anywhere on the Internet.
I WAS WRONG.
We had had a couple of minor attacks. Nothing too big. The world was backed up and quickly repaired by the friendly mods.
SUDDENLY, A HACKER APPEARS!
He uses alts and infinite-aim mods. He spawnkills. He steals. He spells his sentences incorrectly.
This is the moment of truth for a server, the moment of -
The admins are in Wales. It's 2 am there.
DAMMIT!
What not to do
If a server admin has sent you to this thread, this is what you read. And the following bit, too.
Griefers want attention. Most people will quickly insult the sexuality of them when they appear. BUT THIS IS ATTENTION, TOO! IT'S A TRAP! Some smarter servers instead insult their maturity. THIS IS ALSO A TRAP!!
I know what it's like to be insulted by some cock-sucking neckbearded dickless virgin basement-dweller et cetera. But those insults, and your retorts, don't make you feel better. It's just feeding the griefer. So, resort to GoombaGeek's Universally-Helpful Emergency Server Procedure!
GoombaGeek's Universally-Helpful Emergency Server Procedure
1. Don't Panic! Disconnect Immediately.
Griefers want attention. Your server should be backed up. If it isn't, you're ****ed (sorry). If it's backed up, then it doesn't matter what happens. Save face, save time, save items. Disconnect as soon as possible. However, it won't work if lots of people are still on. Hopefully, the entire server should be reading this.
2. Wait a while! Griefers are stupider than you.
Does anyone here know the second law of thermodynamics? It's easier to destroy than create. This means that by not griefing, you are smarter than griefers automatically. A side-effect: nearly all griefers' attention spans are shot to hell. After about half-an-hour, even the most dogged griefers will have left. Therefore, just wait a while. Play some Portal. Read a webcomic. Do anything.
3. Come back on! Be nice to ops.
The ops probably weren't on. Therefore, be nice to them when they arrive. Salvage your stuff. Wait for a backup to be installed. If a griefer re-appears while you're on - disconnect again and immediately! This time, you should only have to wait about 10 minutes or so.
This is not a list of personality flaws intended as an insult. But here is a real plea for help from the star of my sordid personal tale:
1. We do have plugins to prevent block destroying, actually. So he resorted to spawnkilling. Apparently this fact was beneath his notice.
2. We also have admins, but they weren't on. Him assuming that we have no admins whatsoever is like assuming that the sun doesn't exist because you don't see it at night.
3. This man took the time to learn Java in order to spam our chatbox with broken allcaps leet haxor talk. And apparently he thinks that we're the REAL nerds (and that being a nerd is a bad thing in the first place... which is unforgivable!) because we want to build in a game that has a deep and involved building system.
Fortunately, the YouTube channel that does this (I'm not naming them) gets about 5 pleas like this per hour, so it was dutifully ignored.
You can make your own conclusions from all this.
Thank you.
Farewell everyone o/
there are already a lot out there, that usually end in flame wars about mcbans.
and for your problem just take the server down for awhile, add a whitelist, change the server port, make backups, etc.
I always tell admins to just take down the server (don't bother trying to kick or ban just yet; salvage the world first), and for bystanders to just leave. To fight back is to play their game.
nononononono this is not the second rule of thermodynamics.
the second law of thermodynamics says that in a closed system entropy increases over time, in other words, everything reaches a state where it no longer changes.
the only thing similar to what you said would be the first law of thermodynamics, which states that nothing can be created or destroyed. neither of these rules apply to minecraft or griefing.
not to discredit your actual point, but this just bothered me quite a bit.
i actually just read about this in my biology book the second law of thermodynamics states that entropy cannot decrease, it can only increase.
yes, in a closed system. entropy can decrease in an open system. but none of the laws of thermodynamics apply to minecraft in any way.
The OP should've used the fourth law of thermodynamics "What can go wrong, Will go wrong" with the server in mind "If you don't make back-ups, then your gonna get griefed", also in this instance thermodynamics can apply to minecraft.
I think this thread definately should be stickied, but I have a feeling its not going to happen.
Typical greifer behavior.
THAT *******
Second Law of Thermodynamics: The tendency that over time, differences in temperature, pressure, and chemical potential equilibrate in an isolated physical system.
If griefing followed the Second Law of Thermodynamics, the destruction and creation would balance each other out.
This thread isn't for stopping griefing, it's telling you what to do in a griefing situation. It actually is a pretty good thread, hear him out.
Griefers will most likely stop pretty soon after you disconnect. If not, they're determined and you're pretty much screwed until an admin gets on.
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