TLDR: I'd like to see a block - likely utilizing a nether star in it's recipe - that, when powered by a red stone pulse, breaks the block in front of it like a player with an appropriate tool. This either drops the block as an item, or sucks the block up into an internal inventory.
I've been wandering around the forums and Youtube, admiring the clever things people do for automation. Some of these designs utilize Withers to break blocks. Personally, I think this is very neat, and it reminds me of a block I once saw on a Tekkit server. This block, when given a red stone pulse, would break the block in front of it just as a player with the appropriate tool could. It would then put the dropped item into a pipe network to be shipped off somewhere.
So I got to thinking: Since people are using Withers to break blocks, why not have the nether stars they drop be used in a "block breaker" recipe? My original thought was a recipe similar to the piston, except replacing the wood planks with picks, and the red stone dust with a nether star, but I'd be happy just to see a block breaker in Vanilla.
Thoughts?
EDIT: If you like this idea, please up-vote this post.
"I'm an engineer. That means I solve problems. Not problems like,
'What is beauty?', because that would fall within the purview of your
conundrums of philosophy. I solve practical problems."
This is a very interesting idea, but this would make auto farms much easier, and personally very few people use withers to make things automatic so you would not be really making anyone's life easier. Half support
This really doesn't defeat the purpose of picks, guys.
1. You need a stinking NETHER STAR for each one, which makes the Wither a bit more ideal to kill. So, you'll probably have one. I suppose you could just bring a lever, a block breaker, and a pick and mine every single block.
2. You need the right tool to use it and it still uses up durability.
this seems like it would remove the purposes of picks.
Hmm. Well, I killed a Wither recently. It didn't seem THAT hard (and I play on hard mode) but I had backup from one of the other players on my server. I haven't tried it solo, yet. I suppose I'll have to make that a goal. So I can get a realistic sense of it.
Picks are for mobile mining. The block breaker would pretty much be specifically for in-place automation, as the current Wither-powered builds I mention are. It's kind of a niche purpose, but then again, so are beacons.
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"I'm an engineer. That means I solve problems. Not problems like,
'What is beauty?', because that would fall within the purview of your
conundrums of philosophy. I solve practical problems."
Why doesn't anyone get that this is for automatic farms?
Cobblestone farms would be way more efficient with this. Traps would be easier to make (possibly). Vanishing walls. etc.
The problem is a lack of detail. Range? Speed?
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Why Minecraft mobs should NEVER have multiple attacks:
- No other PC mobs do. - Mob behaviour is intended to be simple.
Why you should NOT name new "special ability" weapons as "XXX Swords":
- No other swords have special abilities. - Make a new kind of weapon.
You can also use your Nether star to create a beacon, and give yourself infinite Haste. Start mining with that, and you'll be rich in no time!
In short: this seems a little pointless, since you can mine way faster, far more easily with beacons. No support.
You never support anything, and your posts make no sense.
You never support anything, and your posts make no sense.
Please refrain from starting an argument, it makes the forums a much nicer place to be.
On topic of the suggestion though, vanilla Minecraft isn't meant to have these extreme automation characteristics like a block that can break other blocks. Its nice however that there are mods in Minecraft so you can have all the automation you want without ruining one of the key aspects of Minecraft across the board.
I also understand that this requires a nether star to build, and those can be hard to come across. But I still stand by my point that extreme automation should not be included in vanilla Minecraft.
Please refrain from starting an argument, it makes the forums a much nicer place to be.
On topic of the suggestion though, vanilla Minecraft isn't meant to have these extreme automation characteristics like a block that can break other blocks. Its nice however that there are mods in Minecraft so you can have all the automation you want without ruining one of the key aspects of Minecraft across the board.
I also understand that this requires a nether star to build, and those can be hard to come across. But I still stand by my point that extreme automation should not be included in vanilla Minecraft.
Im not. He always hates on things for no reason. Im telling him to please actually read the thread before he responds harshly. Once I put out a chiseled mineral block thread and he put "No Support, we dont need more texture changes." He doesnt read the posts.
Im not. He always hates on things for no reason. Im telling him to please actually read the thread before he responds harshly. Once I put out a chiseled mineral block thread and he put "No Support, we dont need more texture changes." He doesnt read the posts.
2 things with that.
1. You never said anything about him not fully reading threads that he replied to. You told him his criticism and contribution to the topic make no sense and he never supports anything. He's like me though, he finds faults and he explains those faults, and most of the faults people him and me find, result in a no support unless those faults are fixed.
2. Maybe he didn't like your suggestion. And actually with further research, he didn't reply on your mineral block thread, and the posts he did put on your topics were not harsh, and he added a no support to one of them because he compared similar topics to yours and found the other topics more appealing. That no support was just an opinion, and it isn't a harsh one at that.
Hmm. Well, I killed a Wither recently. It didn't seem THAT hard (and I play on hard mode) but I had backup from one of the other players on my server. I haven't tried it solo, yet. I suppose I'll have to make that a goal. So I can get a realistic sense of it.
Typically the things you need to kill the wither quickly without dying are expensive (like the enchanted golden apple), so that's one thing that makes it hard, another is if you don't keep him in a confined space, he flies around you and you cant do anything really.
TLDR: I'd like to see a block - likely utilizing a nether star in it's recipe - that, when powered by a red stone pulse, breaks the block in front of it like a player with an appropriate tool. This either drops the block as an item, or sucks the block up into an internal inventory.
I've been wandering around the forums and Youtube, admiring the clever things people do for automation. Some of these designs utilize Withers to break blocks. Personally, I think this is very neat, and it reminds me of a block I once saw on a Tekkit server. This block, when given a red stone pulse, would break the block in front of it just as a player with the appropriate tool could. It would then put the dropped item into a pipe network to be shipped off somewhere.
So I got to thinking: Since people are using Withers to break blocks, why not have the nether stars they drop be used in a "block breaker" recipe? My original thought was a recipe similar to the piston, except replacing the wood planks with picks, and the red stone dust with a nether star, but I'd be happy just to see a block breaker in Vanilla.
Thoughts?
EDIT: If you like this idea, please up-vote this post.
Vagueness and redundancy aside.... The first thing that came to my mind is one of the last MOJANG statement about automation (or at least full automation), that would be the very first barrier to avoid. Then it comes the comunity barrier... of course loads of people will make a fuss about it... lets be honest, most of us in the forums know how is the drill, not that they dont have the right to do it, as long as do they do it with respect and tolerance.... anyways... Break those two barriers and theres a chance.
Then i remember the piston mod, the very same mod that inspired the addition of pistons on the game... Back then pistons were able to break cobblestone and you could make a fully automated cobble farm, then when the pistons where added MOJANG avoided that ability and even the mod creator drew it back. Honestly i dont know the reasons but i think that the most important was automation.
Also, i think that it would be OP, even if the "breakable" blocks were limited to certain blocks, for example wood (different wood log types), planks, stone, cobble etc.. and of course obsidian and bedrock should be unbreakable, still even adjusting that and a "fairly" reasonable balancing (for example the cost, which we dont know because its not specified on the O.P) could be a way and still i cant take off my head that this could be something VERY exploitable.
Ouch. no, you made your point pretty clear, actually. tried to search for this before I posted it. I guess my search terms weren't as flexible as I thought.
It is an interesting idea, but I don't think that nether stars would be the best material for this.
I had chosen the nether star for three reasons: (1) To mitigate the "OPness" with a suitably hard to gather material. (2) Because it's actually meant to (partially) replace the Wither in some automation builds I'd seen. (3) For fluff reasons.
"I'm an engineer. That means I solve problems. Not problems like,
'What is beauty?', because that would fall within the purview of your
conundrums of philosophy. I solve practical problems."
I've been wandering around the forums and Youtube, admiring the clever things people do for automation. Some of these designs utilize Withers to break blocks. Personally, I think this is very neat, and it reminds me of a block I once saw on a Tekkit server. This block, when given a red stone pulse, would break the block in front of it just as a player with the appropriate tool could. It would then put the dropped item into a pipe network to be shipped off somewhere.
So I got to thinking: Since people are using Withers to break blocks, why not have the nether stars they drop be used in a "block breaker" recipe? My original thought was a recipe similar to the piston, except replacing the wood planks with picks, and the red stone dust with a nether star, but I'd be happy just to see a block breaker in Vanilla.
Thoughts?
EDIT: If you like this idea, please up-vote this post.
"I'm an engineer. That means I solve problems. Not problems like,
'What is beauty?', because that would fall within the purview of your
conundrums of philosophy. I solve practical problems."
Baseball, then Minecraft.
this seems like it would remove the purposes of picks.
Support
1. You need a stinking NETHER STAR for each one, which makes the Wither a bit more ideal to kill. So, you'll probably have one. I suppose you could just bring a lever, a block breaker, and a pick and mine every single block.
2. You need the right tool to use it and it still uses up durability.
Support!
Hmm. Well, I killed a Wither recently. It didn't seem THAT hard (and I play on hard mode) but I had backup from one of the other players on my server. I haven't tried it solo, yet. I suppose I'll have to make that a goal. So I can get a realistic sense of it.
Picks are for mobile mining. The block breaker would pretty much be specifically for in-place automation, as the current Wither-powered builds I mention are. It's kind of a niche purpose, but then again, so are beacons.
"I'm an engineer. That means I solve problems. Not problems like,
'What is beauty?', because that would fall within the purview of your
conundrums of philosophy. I solve practical problems."
Cobblestone farms would be way more efficient with this. Traps would be easier to make (possibly). Vanishing walls. etc.
The problem is a lack of detail. Range? Speed?
- No other PC mobs do. - Mob behaviour is intended to be simple.
Why you should NOT name new "special ability" weapons as "XXX Swords":
- No other swords have special abilities. - Make a new kind of weapon.
You never support anything, and your posts make no sense.
On topic of the suggestion though, vanilla Minecraft isn't meant to have these extreme automation characteristics like a block that can break other blocks. Its nice however that there are mods in Minecraft so you can have all the automation you want without ruining one of the key aspects of Minecraft across the board.
I also understand that this requires a nether star to build, and those can be hard to come across. But I still stand by my point that extreme automation should not be included in vanilla Minecraft.
Let's not forget this is over-suggested.
http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1844155-block-destroyer/
http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/2322188-cool-suggestions/
http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1843745-breakerplacer/
http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1842992-block-destroyer/
Need I go on?
Therefore, no support.
Im not. He always hates on things for no reason. Im telling him to please actually read the thread before he responds harshly. Once I put out a chiseled mineral block thread and he put "No Support, we dont need more texture changes." He doesnt read the posts.
1. You never said anything about him not fully reading threads that he replied to. You told him his criticism and contribution to the topic make no sense and he never supports anything. He's like me though, he finds faults and he explains those faults, and most of the faults people him and me find, result in a no support unless those faults are fixed.
2. Maybe he didn't like your suggestion. And actually with further research, he didn't reply on your mineral block thread, and the posts he did put on your topics were not harsh, and he added a no support to one of them because he compared similar topics to yours and found the other topics more appealing. That no support was just an opinion, and it isn't a harsh one at that.
Typically the things you need to kill the wither quickly without dying are expensive (like the enchanted golden apple), so that's one thing that makes it hard, another is if you don't keep him in a confined space, he flies around you and you cant do anything really.
Vagueness and redundancy aside.... The first thing that came to my mind is one of the last MOJANG statement about automation (or at least full automation), that would be the very first barrier to avoid. Then it comes the comunity barrier... of course loads of people will make a fuss about it... lets be honest, most of us in the forums know how is the drill, not that they dont have the right to do it, as long as do they do it with respect and tolerance.... anyways... Break those two barriers and theres a chance.
Then i remember the piston mod, the very same mod that inspired the addition of pistons on the game... Back then pistons were able to break cobblestone and you could make a fully automated cobble farm, then when the pistons where added MOJANG avoided that ability and even the mod creator drew it back. Honestly i dont know the reasons but i think that the most important was automation.
Also, i think that it would be OP, even if the "breakable" blocks were limited to certain blocks, for example wood (different wood log types), planks, stone, cobble etc.. and of course obsidian and bedrock should be unbreakable, still even adjusting that and a "fairly" reasonable balancing (for example the cost, which we dont know because its not specified on the O.P) could be a way and still i cant take off my head that this could be something VERY exploitable.
No support.
Ouch. no, you made your point pretty clear, actually. tried to search for this before I posted it. I guess my search terms weren't as flexible as I thought.
Oh well. What's done is done.
EDIT:
I had chosen the nether star for three reasons: (1) To mitigate the "OPness" with a suitably hard to gather material. (2) Because it's actually meant to (partially) replace the Wither in some automation builds I'd seen. (3) For fluff reasons.
"I'm an engineer. That means I solve problems. Not problems like,
'What is beauty?', because that would fall within the purview of your
conundrums of philosophy. I solve practical problems."