Why should a few exploitative servers ruin it for all the servers that allowed users to buy well balanced in-game items or abilities for resonable prices? If the big issue was servers pushing people to buy $500 donator kits, Mojang could just set a max donation perk amount of $100, and the issue would shrink dramatically.
If Mojang is serious about enforcing their new rules, I do have a few ideas for server owners who don't want to charge players a monthly/yearly fee. Web ads on the server's website and text ads broadcast in game chat periodically could make some money, especially for large servers. Another possibility is setting up two similar servers on seperate machines, and making one free-to-play and the other pay-to-play. The free-to-play server would have no donation perks, and the pay-to-play server would have all donation perks unlocked. As long as there is no way to move between the servers without manually disconnecting, this setup wouldn't violate the EULA.
Although I don't play EVE Online, I know it allows players to pay for their subscriptions through real money or in-game currency. After paying for a couple months with real money, players will be able to make enough game currency to pay their monthly fee, eliminating the real life cost. Would a system like this violate the new EULA?
eula agian is not a new or reviesed vertion of the stament it is now that they chose to clarify and enforce the stament
big servers and small servers go pay to play
only very few survive
eventually the payers leave and quit minecraft
those servers die
there are no more public servers
servers are now private and home hosted to avoid pricy fees
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Animes I've Watched/am watching - Sword art online , Fairy Tale , FMA Brotherhood, InuYasha
big servers and small servers go pay to play
only very few survive
eventually the payers leave and quit minecraft
those servers die
there are no more public servers
servers are now private and home hosted to avoid pricy fees
pretty much. but im a home hoster anyway so ne fees for me lol so i dont care to argue eula.
It's really annoying seeing people complain about servers that are pay-to-play for reasons other than legal concerns. If you are tired of playing on these types of servers because people that put money into the game have more benefits than you, then you should realize that it is your decision that caused you to be in that situation. You don't have to play these types of servers, so please stop complaining about them.
With that being said, no, I'm not siding with anti-EULA enforcers, but it is equally annoying to see people stating a very obvious fact. When the new EULA takes effect, pay-to-play servers will either shut down or find ways to generate revenue in a method that abides by the EULA. Face it, if you want Minecraft to be completely about fun and no other reason, stick to singleplayer.
2. Uhhhhhhhhhh. There is rules? Terms of use. EULA?!?!?!??!>?!?!?
3. No. Just. No.
When you sign up for an Minecraft account, you are agreeing to the EULA and terms of use. Making money off of Minecraft was never legal from the get-go. For thinking that nobody can tell you what you can't do with a software or game you purchase is simply very naive.
When you purchase a movie, can create a torrent and make couterfits for profit? No? This is also a copyright issue. You cannot take someone's work and make money off it. You are essentially selling access to Mojang's code that you payed for when you purchased the game. That is the defintion of scamming. No going around it.
In posts I keep seeing this strange assumtion that THEY own the game and they can do what they want with it. It might be your server, it might be your hardware, it might be your bills you need to pay but you do not own Minecraft which you are making a server under their terms and conditons. As for my two cents...
Just because people need money to keep their server up, doesn't grant them permission to violate the EULA and start scamming little kids out of their money. Servers with no play to win while rare, exist. I've been on server with a very small active community where everyone talks to one another regularly and everyone works as one to keep the server alive.
Saying that all small servers will shut down is just simply wrong, some will and are surviving today on purely donations. There are big servers like Hypixel's and the Hive who aren't going down so saying all mega-servers will go down is also incorrect. Not sure how other mega-servers like Mineplex and etx. will react just yet.
Will a lot of servers go down? Of course. The servers who don't exist off of ripping off people will be left. Which, I'm and from what I see; many others will be perfectly fine with. Quality over quanity is what I say.
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I am currently lurking more than I am posting. I haven't gone anywhere.
Here's the deal. A lot of people don't have $1, just because a lot of minecrafters are kids and maybe their parent's don't want to spend money, don't want use paypal, think it's not worth it for their kid, etc. This makes it very hard for the "ticket idea".So basically, this blocks off I predict 1/4 of the servers. And this sucks because I will never pay for a server because I don't actually know if it's where I want to stay on. I always look for the "feel" that I like. This is a crucial mistake by Mojang, as they obviously don't understand.Now we're to the free-will donations. This is the biggest crap ever. Basically what mojang has done is taken it from where paying gets you rewards to where you get nothing. This just takes away everything I've payed for on servers. Does mojang obviously expect servers like Hypixel to run with Free-will donations? Have they ever been on a server before? Not many people will want to donate without getting rewards! Pick it up mojang!All in all, the old system where you pay-to-get-upgrades works best. It is not pay-to-win. Without donator perks, even on servers that the highest donator is $200, I can easily play. The idea of upgrades is to make your gameplay faster. It has nothing to do with dominating everyone and everything. This just shows me how Mojang is trying to satisfy every single player, when that's never going to happen. I am talking about a faction server, the biggest one that gets complaints about this sort of thing. If you don't like it, chances are you suck at pvp no mattter what you have and you need to learn how to move and click faster. I've killed numerous god armor, prot 4 diamond guys, with crap like iron armor or just regular diamond armor. You don't automatically win with donator items! I'd say the best thing about donator is fly, which still doesn't give an "unbalance", like I said before it just makes your gameplay faster.While I'm at it, let me cover the mini-games VIP. I personally don't play mini-games. But chances are, if you support this, you're the idiot who's trying to 1v1 the dude with full VIP perks on their class in a Team Deathmatch. Here's an idea: Double team them! People who strictly play for free on every server don't understand this sort of thing, as I've been seen by this thread.Now we're to server hosting and server owners. Server owners will now be gaining just about nothing, just enough to keep their server alive, skimming by paying the monthly/quarterly/annually bill. That's the point of donating as it is, right? Just keep the server alive so you can play? So instead of earning the minimum to pay the bill and then some, because players want to make their gameplay faster (as I said before), they will earn the bare minimum and may never actually be able to improve.The server hosting companies are going to take the biggest hit from this. Servers will be dropping like flies. Everyone has already played singleplayer enough. Multiplayer is the place everyone is at now. No one cares about realms, their just servers hosted by mojang. That said with less servers, people are going to leave your game mojang. Get it yet? Probably don't.Now I come to the realms. Most likely the reason for all of this. Mojang wants to kill off half the multiplayer servers so that those people will pay $13 a month for realms. WRONG. We could just got to a survival server for that. You're just annoying the people that bought minecraft mojang. You've made your money. You will continue to make money. Now stop milking the game! And I couldn't help but notice that 1.7.10 was strictly realms... How ironic, let's do a realms update right after the server-killing-and-destroying-new-EULA. I smell something fishy.
How ironic, let's do a realms update right after the server-killing-and-destroying-new-EULA. I smell something fishy.
Then you are projecting your own greed. Realms is no competition for any real server. It is for users who want a quick and simple server from a company they already trust. Realms will never be a real money maker, but it will, as designed, give players a way to setup a simple, trusted sever without having to trust 3rd parties with their cash or Minecraft credentials.
The updated EULA is more lenient then the licenses found on any other popular, non-open-source game engine. The fact that everyone has felt they were free to what ever they want in the past does not make Mojang wrong for wanting to reestablish a little control over the game they created and the code they have written.
As soon as you call people idiots for having an opinion, you call yourself out as someone who's opinion is not worth anyone's respect.
Then you are projecting your own greed. Realms is no competition for any real server. It is for users who want a quick and simple server from a company they already trust. Realms will never be a real money maker, but it will, as designed, give players a way to setup a simple, trusted sever without having to trust 3rd parties with their cash or Minecraft credentials.
The updated EULA is more lenient then the licenses found on any other popular, non-open-source game engine. The fact that everyone has felt they were free to what ever they want in the past does not make Mojang wrong for wanting to reestablish a little control over the game they created and the code they have written.
As soon as you call people idiots for having an opinion, you call yourself out as someone who's opinion is not worth anyone's respect.
Well the video basically explains my opinion, so... It's worth the watch, though.
Thing is me and most other people dont want to have to watch a half hour long video just to here somebody's opinion or to get a tiny bit of information, thats the main reason why there were complaints against Sachverell posting videos for the news. I'm not saying dont think want you want to think about the EULA (I do disagree with your opinion, but I still respect it) I'm just saying type it out
"Pay to win" generally means "If you pay, you get an advantage; if you pay more, you get a bigger advantage; if you pay the most, you get the biggest advantage". For competition games.
"Pay to win" can also mean "You reach the point where further progress is horribly slow unless you pay for a temporary ability that lets you finish a few more levels".
"Free to play" does not have to mean "Free to play everything".
It is perfectly reasonable, and possible, to have "Free to play the basics, and pay to get access to A, B, C, or D; all of them are equivalent." In this situtation, do paying players have an advantage over non-payers? Potentially, even probably. Does this make it "pay to win", or does it make it just "This is the basic subscription fee"? The real issue is probably more of disclosure, and information. Letting people know that the free version is basically the trial, and the rest costs such-and-such. In other words, "free to start playing".
Far too many things are "free to start" but claim "play for free". Without making it clear that you have to buy.
And then, buy more. And more. And sometimes, LOTS more, and more, and more.
Imagine a major company that sold a "game", a sandbox construction game, but had only some of it available for play at first. You could buy some "expansion themes" to get more features. But, they won't make it clear which feature you get from a given theme -- and there might be hundreds of these themes. And, the advertisements show all sorts of things, with just a brief "some features shown require additional purchases", with no way for you to know ahead of time how much you will have to spend, nor even any way to get an idea of the cost. No clear indication of anything. No way to shop around, etc, because everything after the "starter set" is sold online through a monopoly, with no clear information made available to the end user.
Just imagine that. Do you think that something like that would be allowed to happen in the united states? Fair trade rules, full consumer disclosure laws, etc?
The company is Disney. The product is out and sold today. And yes, it really is -- as far as I can tell -- that bad. I have stayed away from it just because it really does seem, from all the research I could do, to be as bad as I described.
(In regard to a mod that gives realistic animal genetics):
Would you really rather have bees that make diamonds and oil with magical genetic blocks?
... did I really ask that?
all these whining server owners made me laugh. EULA also says "if you are under 13 years of age, you should not use our website*", yet you are perfectly fine with selling something to little kids. you probably didn't even know that, or you don't care.
MOJANG.COM ACCOUNT TERMS
These Account Terms cover the ways our websites mojang.com and minecraft.net (our “Website”) will be provided to you and may be used by you. It is important to us that all of the members of our community can enjoy using our Website, so we‘ve made these terms and conditions to set a few ground rules. We also want to make sure that people don‘t use our Website in a way which might have a bad impact on our games or our brand. By visiting our Website, you are agreeing to these terms and conditions, which makes a legal agreement between us both. If you don‘t agree with these terms and conditions, you should stop using the Website. If you are under 13 years of age, you should not use our Website.
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MINECRAFT END USER LICENCE AGREEMENT
In order to protect Minecraft (our “Game”) and the members of our community, we need these end user licence terms to set out some rules for downloading and using our Game. We don‘t like rules any more than you do, so we have tried to keep this as short as possible. If you break these rules we may stop you from using our Game. If we think it is necessary, we might even have to ask our lawyers to get in touch. If you buy, download, use or play our Game, you are agreeing to stick to the rules of these end user licence terms ("EULA”). If you don‘t want to or can‘t agree to these rules, then you must not buy, download, use or play our Game. This EULA incorporates the terms of use for the mojang.com website (“Account Terms”), our brand and asset usage guidelines and our privacy policy. By agreeing to this EULA you also agree to all parts of these three documents, so please read through them carefully.
I've been thinking, and this is really not only going to hurt the MineCraft server industry, it's going to hurt all server hosting companies. Think about it. If people stop paying for servers, server companies make less money from hosting, then they close down. This causes even OTHER game servers to be affected, since MineCraft is by far a super-popular server renting platform. Without income from MineCraft servers, they may shut down. I already know people that have stopped their hosted servers to prevent them from losing money, and this is going to hurt the entire gaming industry. I think it's naive for Mojang to think they can do this without any damage done.
You all don't understand how this is going to affect servers. Donations will plummet. No one likes to donate without rewards. It's like Mojang just said "instead of earning rewards for donations, you can no longer earn rewards for that same donation". I've already paid for donations but now I won't receive anything anymore because of mojang.
Hey, I know this is late and I've only played for about two years... but this is stated in the EULA. Minecraft has the specific rights to do this and every minecraft server big or small should have known this and been prepared. Regardless of the reasoning behind their decision to enforce this policy doesn't matter at all. It is their right as the owner of the material and they can enforce it. Now does this hurt our community, servers, and individual players? Of course it does. I like playing on mineplex... they have a great server and community and I enjoy playing there. I do have to ask you as players.... as a community to not hate on Mojang but look forward to the future and let us as the community re-create the fun atmosphere and the friendly teamwork that multiplayer has thrived on. Let us remember the past as the amazing thing that it was but let us look to the future and build a road to more glorious days ahead. Please stop with the anger and hate towards Mojang and thank them for the awesome game they've allowed us to enjoy.
Why not just add a kind of friends list and the possibility to host your own server whenever you need it (pretty much like XBOX minecraft) where you host the server and nobody pays nothing? This is the big problem with all server-based multiplayer games. Minecraft is worth playing only with friends and this would be a great addition. Simple "server" making with no port forwarding for you and your friends over the internet.
I havent played vanilla minecraft in years. I like the FTB, Technic, AT launcher packs. I also like playing on large servers.
A modded minecraft server that can host 50+ people would be able to handle 200+ people in regular minecraft. This new enforcement will most likely kill what i like about minecraft.
I donate fot the perks. I refuse to pay for other peoples access, they arent paying for mine. The age of the freeloader playing on the donor's dollar is coming to an end.
I forsee either pay to get access or monthly access charges coming. This change in enforcement will not stop the crooked server from charging a small monthly recuring access fee with large termination fees. So much greif can still be given to all the kiddies parents who dont sit down and read each servers terms of service
As normal, the good guy gets the shaft, the crooked guy still profits.
Way to fix something that isnt broken, they must have been goverment employees before they were mojang
eula agian is not a new or reviesed vertion of the stament it is now that they chose to clarify and enforce the stament
I know I just wanted to figure out how so if one of the server's I play on is still ignoring the new rules after August 1st i could report them then.
big servers and small servers go pay to play
only very few survive
eventually the payers leave and quit minecraft
those servers die
there are no more public servers
servers are now private and home hosted to avoid pricy fees
Animes I've Watched/am watching - Sword art online , Fairy Tale , FMA Brotherhood, InuYasha
pretty much. but im a home hoster anyway so ne fees for me lol so i dont care to argue eula.
With that being said, no, I'm not siding with anti-EULA enforcers, but it is equally annoying to see people stating a very obvious fact. When the new EULA takes effect, pay-to-play servers will either shut down or find ways to generate revenue in a method that abides by the EULA. Face it, if you want Minecraft to be completely about fun and no other reason, stick to singleplayer.
When you sign up for an Minecraft account, you are agreeing to the EULA and terms of use. Making money off of Minecraft was never legal from the get-go. For thinking that nobody can tell you what you can't do with a software or game you purchase is simply very naive.
When you purchase a movie, can create a torrent and make couterfits for profit? No? This is also a copyright issue. You cannot take someone's work and make money off it. You are essentially selling access to Mojang's code that you payed for when you purchased the game. That is the defintion of scamming. No going around it.
In posts I keep seeing this strange assumtion that THEY own the game and they can do what they want with it. It might be your server, it might be your hardware, it might be your bills you need to pay but you do not own Minecraft which you are making a server under their terms and conditons. As for my two cents...
Just because people need money to keep their server up, doesn't grant them permission to violate the EULA and start scamming little kids out of their money. Servers with no play to win while rare, exist. I've been on server with a very small active community where everyone talks to one another regularly and everyone works as one to keep the server alive.
Saying that all small servers will shut down is just simply wrong, some will and are surviving today on purely donations. There are big servers like Hypixel's and the Hive who aren't going down so saying all mega-servers will go down is also incorrect. Not sure how other mega-servers like Mineplex and etx. will react just yet.
Will a lot of servers go down? Of course. The servers who don't exist off of ripping off people will be left. Which, I'm and from what I see; many others will be perfectly fine with. Quality over quanity is what I say.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CbQhQ_By9o
Then you are projecting your own greed. Realms is no competition for any real server. It is for users who want a quick and simple server from a company they already trust. Realms will never be a real money maker, but it will, as designed, give players a way to setup a simple, trusted sever without having to trust 3rd parties with their cash or Minecraft credentials.
The updated EULA is more lenient then the licenses found on any other popular, non-open-source game engine. The fact that everyone has felt they were free to what ever they want in the past does not make Mojang wrong for wanting to reestablish a little control over the game they created and the code they have written.
As soon as you call people idiots for having an opinion, you call yourself out as someone who's opinion is not worth anyone's respect.
Let me refer you to this video.
In gaming circles, "pay to win" is used as a synonym for "free to play". Think about the ramifications.
It's best to say your opinion instead of send us a video, especially one that is a half hour long
Click them or they will click you
Well the video basically explains my opinion, so... It's worth the watch, though.
Thing is me and most other people dont want to have to watch a half hour long video just to here somebody's opinion or to get a tiny bit of information, thats the main reason why there were complaints against Sachverell posting videos for the news. I'm not saying dont think want you want to think about the EULA (I do disagree with your opinion, but I still respect it) I'm just saying type it out
Click them or they will click you
"Pay to win" generally means "If you pay, you get an advantage; if you pay more, you get a bigger advantage; if you pay the most, you get the biggest advantage". For competition games.
"Pay to win" can also mean "You reach the point where further progress is horribly slow unless you pay for a temporary ability that lets you finish a few more levels".
"Free to play" does not have to mean "Free to play everything".
It is perfectly reasonable, and possible, to have "Free to play the basics, and pay to get access to A, B, C, or D; all of them are equivalent." In this situtation, do paying players have an advantage over non-payers? Potentially, even probably. Does this make it "pay to win", or does it make it just "This is the basic subscription fee"? The real issue is probably more of disclosure, and information. Letting people know that the free version is basically the trial, and the rest costs such-and-such. In other words, "free to start playing".
Far too many things are "free to start" but claim "play for free". Without making it clear that you have to buy.
And then, buy more. And more. And sometimes, LOTS more, and more, and more.
Imagine a major company that sold a "game", a sandbox construction game, but had only some of it available for play at first. You could buy some "expansion themes" to get more features. But, they won't make it clear which feature you get from a given theme -- and there might be hundreds of these themes. And, the advertisements show all sorts of things, with just a brief "some features shown require additional purchases", with no way for you to know ahead of time how much you will have to spend, nor even any way to get an idea of the cost. No clear indication of anything. No way to shop around, etc, because everything after the "starter set" is sold online through a monopoly, with no clear information made available to the end user.
Just imagine that. Do you think that something like that would be allowed to happen in the united states? Fair trade rules, full consumer disclosure laws, etc?
The company is Disney. The product is out and sold today. And yes, it really is -- as far as I can tell -- that bad. I have stayed away from it just because it really does seem, from all the research I could do, to be as bad as I described.
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(In regard to a mod that gives realistic animal genetics):
Would you really rather have bees that make diamonds and oil with magical genetic blocks?
... did I really ask that?
MOJANG.COM ACCOUNT TERMS
These Account Terms cover the ways our websites mojang.com and minecraft.net (our “Website”) will be provided to you and may be used by you. It is important to us that all of the members of our community can enjoy using our Website, so we‘ve made these terms and conditions to set a few ground rules. We also want to make sure that people don‘t use our Website in a way which might have a bad impact on our games or our brand.
By visiting our Website, you are agreeing to these terms and conditions, which makes a legal agreement between us both. If you don‘t agree with these terms and conditions, you should stop using the Website.
If you are under 13 years of age, you should not use our Website.
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________
MINECRAFT END USER LICENCE AGREEMENT
In order to protect Minecraft (our “Game”) and the members of our community, we need these end user licence terms to set out some rules for downloading and using our Game. We don‘t like rules any more than you do, so we have tried to keep this as short as possible. If you break these rules we may stop you from using our Game. If we think it is necessary, we might even have to ask our lawyers to get in touch.
If you buy, download, use or play our Game, you are agreeing to stick to the rules of these end user licence terms ("EULA”). If you don‘t want to or can‘t agree to these rules, then you must not buy, download, use or play our Game. This EULA incorporates the terms of use for the mojang.com website (“Account Terms”), our brand and asset usage guidelines and our privacy policy. By agreeing to this EULA you also agree to all parts of these three documents, so please read through them carefully.
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Miner's nightmare preset (original terrain)
Killing the Ender Dragon, no damage (no armor/potions/enchantments/pumpkin)
I havent played vanilla minecraft in years. I like the FTB, Technic, AT launcher packs. I also like playing on large servers.
A modded minecraft server that can host 50+ people would be able to handle 200+ people in regular minecraft. This new enforcement will most likely kill what i like about minecraft.
I donate fot the perks. I refuse to pay for other peoples access, they arent paying for mine. The age of the freeloader playing on the donor's dollar is coming to an end.
I forsee either pay to get access or monthly access charges coming. This change in enforcement will not stop the crooked server from charging a small monthly recuring access fee with large termination fees. So much greif can still be given to all the kiddies parents who dont sit down and read each servers terms of service
As normal, the good guy gets the shaft, the crooked guy still profits.
Way to fix something that isnt broken, they must have been goverment employees before they were mojang