Very disappointed with how both sides have handled the issue. Mojang has responded in a way that is causing the server community to turn against them, and the rest of the community has responded in a way that makes the server owners look very bad. My server is going live in less than two weeks, and has been in progress for over 18 months. With this new EULA going into place, the server is very likely to suffer and potentially fail because of the lack of viable player perks. I do understand that Mojang is very upset about what's been going on, but it certainly doesn't seem right that because "A few bad eggs" are doing insane things, that the "good eggs", such as myself and other servers like Hypixel, Shotbow, TheHive and countless others should get punished for that.
Mojang *may* be able to enforce the no-paying rule, but they certainly can't make it so everyone has the same stuff.
Mojang has given leeway for servers to essentially grandfather donators and even make it so ordinary players still have to work harder for the donor perks.
They probably saw this as a necessary thing to prevent repercussions. However, Mojang also said donating for the perks has to stop, therefor no more perks can be bought for and no more can be grandfathered.
If you have stated your opinion and have nothing left to say, then that's that, but don't try to convince the community that they shouldn't talk about something that concerns them.
I have seen so many questions get lost in this thread that people seriously have for the new EULA because everyone else is too busy bantering. I am not saying we should not talk about it, but I'm not going to have you just tell me that this thread was made for that, when it says it was made to inform us and have a place to ask relevant concerns.
Actually, its quite alright for people to speak up when they see something they disagree with, if it wasn't...you should also not be talking.
I concede on that point. Should have said if you're going to try to pressure Mojang into compromising anymore... you should at least adapt your server while you're at it if you don't want to shut down, just in case they don't budge.
setzke I don't know if you have seen this yet but here
"Please keep all discussion as civil as possible! This is a very hot topic, and we understand that there are very strong feelings about the EULA. That's okay! Open discussion is a GOOD thing!"
I have seen so many questions get lost in this thread that people seriously have for the new EULA because everyone else is too busy bantering. I am not saying we should not talk about it, but I'm not going to have you just tell me that this thread was made for that, when it says it was made to inform us and have a place to ask relevant concerns.
Show me some of these questions which have been unanswered, and I'll do my best to answer them, and others will do the same. We have not missed the questions people have been asking entirely.
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[quote=Badgerz]You have to keep in mind that people are stupid.
[quote=Catelite]Just because you don't understand how something works, doesn't make it broken or pointless. >_<
Actually, its quite alright for people to speak up when they see something they disagree with, if it wasn't...you should also not be talking.
As for financially supporting a server themselves, its generally not feasible for the large servers.
I honestly think the best option, for those that disagree with the move is to move on. Will it cause Mojang to change their mind? Nope, not likely. Petitions, boycotting, etc. isn't likely to change a thing, however, by speaking with the server owners of the servers you enjoy and asking them to move their content to a new platform with a more open environment, you not only ensure that your current experience is maintained, you may also end up with a better one (due to easier modding capabilities, faster engine, etc.).
I love Minecraft as a platform for creative content. I believe Mojang's recent movements are stiffling that creativity by denying people the freedom to handle the content the way they wish to present it. People are arguing about whether P2W is right or not, but it doesn't matter, because someone might enjoy it. Those that don't enjoy it are free to seek out their own experience (or create it) just the same. No one should be stiffling another.
Agreed. The main problem is little kids that can't grasp the above concepts.
lol, okay.
Should they not exist, or should people simply not play on them if they find it unfair? How weak minded can people POSSIBLY BE?
I did edit it at the last minute..... giving other ideas besides not existing
And weak minded? What's weak minded is people making a server thinking that they are not ultimately responsible for funding it, and if people actually care very much about the server, they will probably donate for cosmetics.
Do you have a question you would like answered about the EULA? Let's discuss it in the comments!
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I concede on that point. Should have said if you're going to try to pressure Mojang into compromising anymore... you should at least adapt your server while you're at it if you don't want to shut down, just in case they don't budge.
setzke I don't know if you have seen this yet but here
"Please keep all discussion as civil as possible! This is a very hot topic, and we understand that there are very strong feelings about the EULA. That's okay! Open discussion is a GOOD thing!"
I was looking a little higher than that. :S
But arguing this is really pointless on my end because we aren't aloud to make any more threads about the EULA which leaves this one XD
Show me some of these questions which have been unanswered, and I'll do my best to answer them, and others will do the same. We have not missed the questions people have been asking entirely.
There was one about iConomy... asking if the new EULA breaks that. I'm a vanilla gent so wasn't familiar with iConomy and passed it by, but noticed that no one else addressed it, either. There's probably more. I had to repush my own questions up to get answers later.
But here's one I didn't ask before -- do you think under the new EULA that it is unlawful to allow for unbanning for money? Doesn't this fall into PAY TO ACCESS? It'd be on a hardcore map where you are auto-unbanned after 2 weeks.
I did edit it at the last minute..... giving other ideas besides not existing
And weak minded? What's weak minded is people making a server thinking that they are not ultimately responsible for funding it, and if people actually care very much about the server, they will probably donate for cosmetics.
Man, for a community of 16 million players, everyone sure is the same! You'd think there'd be some non-greedy server owners, but apparently not!
I think it's funny how you say people starting up a state of homeostasis is weak-minded. It's entrepreneurial. It's what the Free Enterprise System is all about.
Telling people to find another server if you hate pay to win is a bit of silly point because this pay to win model is so popular that finding a good well populated server without it is very, very hard.
I did edit it at the last minute..... giving other ideas besides not existing
And weak minded? What's weak minded is people making a server thinking that they are not ultimately responsible for funding it, and if people actually care very much about the server, they will probably donate for cosmetics.
Being weak minded is miserably playing on a server that doesn't make you happy because of the way it makes money. Nobody with a brain should suffer from pay to win servers in a game that has so many servers. They can always walk away. If too many servers are pay to win, they're not missing anything. You're pretty much saying server owners should subsidize other people's fun.
I did edit it at the last minute..... giving other ideas besides not existing
And weak minded? What's weak minded is people making a server thinking that they are not ultimately responsible for funding it, and if people actually care very much about the server, they will probably donate for cosmetics.
That is true but there was always a higher chance they would donate for a kit over cosmetics. (It's clear mojang does not care at all about balancing kits so I won't try and make a point out of it.)
Creative servers as an example - you can no longer charge for world edit which is a problem. Very few servers give it to everyone because of the trololols. I am sure you can agree with me there is no "winning" in creative only servers. So it really should be exempt from all of this pay to win nonsense.
Man, for a community of 16 million players, everyone sure is the same! You'd think there'd be some non-greedy server owners, but apparently not!
I think it's funny how you say people starting up a state of homeostasis is weak-minded. It's entrepreneurial. It's what the Free Enterprise System is all about.
Yeah, but Mojang had the right to end whatever that is, people are using their property to make money, no matter where it goes.
And I'm confused.... Why are you saying entrepreneurial and Free Enterprise Systems? It implies that people are trying to make a profit rather than non-profit, which is something people have been arguing about.
Telling people to find another server if you hate pay to win is a bit of silly point because this pay to win model is so popular that finding a good well populated server without it is very, very hard.
Perhaps there's a reason that good, well popular servers can have pay to win features while still retaining players. Perhaps people in those communities don't actually mind it for the most part?
Telling people to find another server if you hate pay to win is a bit of silly point because this pay to win model is so popular that finding a good well populated server without it is very, very hard.
Hard, but not impossible. I found a server 2 years ago that isn't p2w, and it's still a good server. (First server I played on)
Everyone's comments is quickly eroding my stance from extremist to pro-EULA moderate... yet something is holding me back from being neutral :S *is feeling dizzy*
1st of all, Minecraft is an 'open-source' product. This means that it is alright to edit/modify the game to your liking. Doesn't this mean that it contradicts the EULA?
Also this means I can mod the game and sell modded items on my server as it is my code, and my modded server. Furthermore players can purchase items that are legally created by me because they are not part of the Minecraft game.
Am I right in saying this?
Not even close.
"Open Source" does not mean "not copyrighted". It does not mean "Unrestricted". So your first assumption is dead wrong.
Minecraft is NOT "Open Source". Mojang is protective of their code. So you don't even have your first, wrong, assumption to work with.
And, Mojang cannot be in violation of their own EULA -- they make the EULA to tell you how you can use their product.
Also this means I can mod the game and sell modded items on my server as it is my code, and my modded server
Also false. Your code, if you run it entirely without anything from mojang? Sure. But if you want to use Mojang's code / engine as an environment for your code, then you have to follow Mojang's rules for use of their code/engine.
In short, every thing you said is just plain flat wrong.
(In regard to a mod that gives realistic animal genetics):
Would you really rather have bees that make diamonds and oil with magical genetic blocks?
... did I really ask that?
Mojang has given leeway for servers to essentially grandfather donators and even make it so ordinary players still have to work harder for the donor perks.
They probably saw this as a necessary thing to prevent repercussions. However, Mojang also said donating for the perks has to stop, therefor no more perks can be bought for and no more can be grandfathered.
I concede on that point. Should have said if you're going to try to pressure Mojang into compromising anymore... you should at least adapt your server while you're at it if you don't want to shut down, just in case they don't budge.
setzke I don't know if you have seen this yet but here
"Please keep all discussion as civil as possible! This is a very hot topic, and we understand that there are very strong feelings about the EULA. That's okay! Open discussion is a GOOD thing!"
Show me some of these questions which have been unanswered, and I'll do my best to answer them, and others will do the same. We have not missed the questions people have been asking entirely.
[quote=Badgerz]You have to keep in mind that people are stupid.
[quote=Catelite]Just because you don't understand how something works, doesn't make it broken or pointless. >_<
Agreed. The main problem is little kids that can't grasp the above concepts.
I did edit it at the last minute..... giving other ideas besides not existing
And weak minded? What's weak minded is people making a server thinking that they are not ultimately responsible for funding it, and if people actually care very much about the server, they will probably donate for cosmetics.
I was looking a little higher than that. :S
But arguing this is really pointless on my end because we aren't aloud to make any more threads about the EULA which leaves this one XD
The little kids who stole their parents CC.
But here's one I didn't ask before -- do you think under the new EULA that it is unlawful to allow for unbanning for money? Doesn't this fall into PAY TO ACCESS? It'd be on a hardcore map where you are auto-unbanned after 2 weeks.
Man, for a community of 16 million players, everyone sure is the same! You'd think there'd be some non-greedy server owners, but apparently not!
I think it's funny how you say people starting up a state of homeostasis is weak-minded. It's entrepreneurial. It's what the Free Enterprise System is all about.
Finally a counter-argument that exists *cries*
Being weak minded is miserably playing on a server that doesn't make you happy because of the way it makes money. Nobody with a brain should suffer from pay to win servers in a game that has so many servers. They can always walk away. If too many servers are pay to win, they're not missing anything. You're pretty much saying server owners should subsidize other people's fun.
That is true but there was always a higher chance they would donate for a kit over cosmetics. (It's clear mojang does not care at all about balancing kits so I won't try and make a point out of it.)
Creative servers as an example - you can no longer charge for world edit which is a problem. Very few servers give it to everyone because of the trololols. I am sure you can agree with me there is no "winning" in creative only servers. So it really should be exempt from all of this pay to win nonsense.
Yeah, but Mojang had the right to end whatever that is, people are using their property to make money, no matter where it goes.
And I'm confused.... Why are you saying entrepreneurial and Free Enterprise Systems? It implies that people are trying to make a profit rather than non-profit, which is something people have been arguing about.
Perhaps there's a reason that good, well popular servers can have pay to win features while still retaining players. Perhaps people in those communities don't actually mind it for the most part?
Hard, but not impossible. I found a server 2 years ago that isn't p2w, and it's still a good server. (First server I played on)
Not even close.
"Open Source" does not mean "not copyrighted". It does not mean "Unrestricted". So your first assumption is dead wrong.
Minecraft is NOT "Open Source". Mojang is protective of their code. So you don't even have your first, wrong, assumption to work with.
And, Mojang cannot be in violation of their own EULA -- they make the EULA to tell you how you can use their product.
Also false. Your code, if you run it entirely without anything from mojang? Sure. But if you want to use Mojang's code / engine as an environment for your code, then you have to follow Mojang's rules for use of their code/engine.
In short, every thing you said is just plain flat wrong.
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(In regard to a mod that gives realistic animal genetics):
Would you really rather have bees that make diamonds and oil with magical genetic blocks?
... did I really ask that?