I miss when donations meant you were doing something to be helpful without expecting anything in return other than the satisfaction that you were doing something good. Donating with the expectation of goods in return is like you donating your money to Publix in return for a basket of groceries in return.
THERE IS NO FINE PRINT. They said VERY CLEARLY that you cannot sell kits that alter the gameplay, and that gameplay balancing was not a factor in the EULA. That means that you can sell "kits" that alter cosmetic appearance for real money, but you CANT sell "kits" that change the gameplay for real money. There's no need for fine print because, English. It's all there plain and simple, I can't explain it any clearer without pie charts and bar graphs.
Edit: What the heck, I decided to make a pie chart to better illustrate this point: via Imgflip Pie Chart Maker
I WAS NEVER TALKING ABOUT DONOR KITS.
I WAS TALKING ABOUT KITS THAT WERE FREE INGAME. YOU MADE IT SOUND LIKE MOJANG RESTRICTED PEOPLE FROM CHOOSING THEIR OWN KIT FROM A CHOICE OF FREE KITS. SORRY FOR THE MISUNDERSTANDING BUT YOU MADE IT SOUND LIKE MOJANG WENT ALL NAZI.
Seriously though the best solution to this would just be anyone running a server hosted by beastnode, fragnet, etc, a portion of the monthly bill goes to mojang, that way servers can stay the way they are and mojang gets a profit from the monetizing
Mojang is not concerned about money, they're concerned about...Oh wait they are. *shrug* Sounds fair. Ish.
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Weird Things Mods Say When Booting
[Client thread/INFO] [TConstruct]: Natura, what are we going to do tomorrow night?
[Client thread/INFO] [Natura]: TConstruct, we're going to take over the world!
[Client thread/INFO] [inpure|core]: Beating Minecraft's resource loading system with a shovel. Please stand by...
[Client thread/INFO] [MagicBees]: Replacing stupid-block with 'Here, have some delicious textures' ItemBlock. This is 100% normal.
Seriously though the best solution to this would just be anyone running a server hosted by beastnode, fragnet, etc, a portion of the monthly bill goes to mojang, that way servers can stay the way they are and mojang gets a profit from the monetizing
Are you saying in the context of pay to win or the current EULA? Mojang said they don't want to profit from p2w.
I WAS TALKING ABOUT KITS THAT WERE FREE INGAME. YOU MADE IT SOUND LIKE MOJANG RESTRICTED PEOPLE FROM CHOOSING THEIR OWN KIT FROM A CHOICE OF FREE KITS. SORRY FOR THE MISUNDERSTANDING BUT YOU MADE IT SOUND LIKE MOJANG WENT ALL NAZI.
Whoa. Whoa. Calm down. Please. Yes, he misunderstood. We all noticed. There is nothing in the EULA preventing multiple free kits.
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Weird Things Mods Say When Booting
[Client thread/INFO] [TConstruct]: Natura, what are we going to do tomorrow night?
[Client thread/INFO] [Natura]: TConstruct, we're going to take over the world!
[Client thread/INFO] [inpure|core]: Beating Minecraft's resource loading system with a shovel. Please stand by...
[Client thread/INFO] [MagicBees]: Replacing stupid-block with 'Here, have some delicious textures' ItemBlock. This is 100% normal.
Anywho, we're all against P2W. We can agree on that. But the thing is, we're in disagreement on how draconian of a remedy is required?
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Weird Things Mods Say When Booting
[Client thread/INFO] [TConstruct]: Natura, what are we going to do tomorrow night?
[Client thread/INFO] [Natura]: TConstruct, we're going to take over the world!
[Client thread/INFO] [inpure|core]: Beating Minecraft's resource loading system with a shovel. Please stand by...
[Client thread/INFO] [MagicBees]: Replacing stupid-block with 'Here, have some delicious textures' ItemBlock. This is 100% normal.
I'm against P2W. I'm NOT against a reasonably balanced donation system. Like, a set of iron tools and armor. Not OP, but still a fair enough reward for putting your money in to a server.
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Weird Things Mods Say When Booting
[Client thread/INFO] [TConstruct]: Natura, what are we going to do tomorrow night?
[Client thread/INFO] [Natura]: TConstruct, we're going to take over the world!
[Client thread/INFO] [inpure|core]: Beating Minecraft's resource loading system with a shovel. Please stand by...
[Client thread/INFO] [MagicBees]: Replacing stupid-block with 'Here, have some delicious textures' ItemBlock. This is 100% normal.
Mojang is not concerned about money, they're concerned about...Oh wait they are. *shrug* Sounds fair. Ish.
I mean if this was going to happen and replace the happy go lucky everyone must be equal EULA (which most likely will not) Something like $2.50 in fees a month for every 15 people (based on average users online at one time in a month)
I'm against P2W. I'm NOT against a reasonably balanced donation system. Like, a set of iron tools and armor. Not OP, but still a fair enough reward for putting your money in to a server.
The servility of P2W is subjective, but still by definition that iron kit is p2w, even if you don't see it as p2w. It may also be extremely OP in different situations.
I mean honestly if you want to do this then people can just make a second server solely for premium people.
Are you saying in the context of pay to win or the current EULA? Mojang said they don't want to profit from p2w.
But don't you think they are over dramatizing on their definition of pay to win is? It would be like assuming all people who have unprotected sex will get AIDS.
I WAS TALKING ABOUT KITS THAT WERE FREE INGAME. YOU MADE IT SOUND LIKE MOJANG RESTRICTED PEOPLE FROM CHOOSING THEIR OWN KIT FROM A CHOICE OF FREE KITS. SORRY FOR THE MISUNDERSTANDING BUT YOU MADE IT SOUND LIKE MOJANG WENT ALL NAZI.
You weren't talking about free kits and Mojang could give a crap about free kits. The whole discussion is about selling kits for real money. And you apparently didn't read anything that I actually said if you thought I was talking about free kits.
But don't you think they are over dramatizing on their definition of pay to win is? It would be like assuming all people who have unprotected sex will get AIDS.
You weren't talking about free kits and Mojang could give a crap about free kits. The whole discussion is about selling kits for real money. And you apparently didn't read anything that I actually said if you thought I was talking about free kits.
Well then we're both at fault, just me more than you, sorry.
But don't you think they are over dramatizing on their definition of pay to win is? It would be like assuming all people who have unprotected sex will get AIDS.
IMHO any items sold for real money that enhance your chance to win over someone who didn't pay is P2W. Analogy: You go to a casino to play Blackjack. Casino sells a "kit" that gives you a 25% better chance of getting a face card when you draw. P2W.
If you're against P2W then I don't see how you can all this draconian? Unless you're implying you're against P2W but you see it as necessary? O.o
Because at some point, things stop being anti-pay-to-win and start becoming limiting. The problem is that people here disagree where that line is. Some see the line as far back, and they back the whole EULA, and others see it as far forward, and disagree with it completely.
The servility of P2W is subjective, but still by definition that iron kit is p2w, even if you don't see it as p2w. It may also be extremely OP in different situations.
I mean honestly if you want to do this then people can just make a second server solely for premium people.
I suppose you mean in PvP? In which case that kit is probably going to be whatever medium-high-ish-end gear is. Not OP but still slightly better.
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Weird Things Mods Say When Booting
[Client thread/INFO] [TConstruct]: Natura, what are we going to do tomorrow night?
[Client thread/INFO] [Natura]: TConstruct, we're going to take over the world!
[Client thread/INFO] [inpure|core]: Beating Minecraft's resource loading system with a shovel. Please stand by...
[Client thread/INFO] [MagicBees]: Replacing stupid-block with 'Here, have some delicious textures' ItemBlock. This is 100% normal.
Well then we're both at fault, just me more than you, sorry.
No worries, didn't mean to get confrontational with you. It's hard to keep track of all of the parallel conversations going on in this thread. Getting too used to trying to translate the posts from people trying to find ways to skirt the EULA.
Because at some point, things stop being anti-pay-to-win and start becoming limiting. The problem is that people here disagree where that line is. Some see the line as far back, and they back the whole EULA, and others see it as far forward, and disagree with it completely.
Indeed.
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Weird Things Mods Say When Booting
[Client thread/INFO] [TConstruct]: Natura, what are we going to do tomorrow night?
[Client thread/INFO] [Natura]: TConstruct, we're going to take over the world!
[Client thread/INFO] [inpure|core]: Beating Minecraft's resource loading system with a shovel. Please stand by...
[Client thread/INFO] [MagicBees]: Replacing stupid-block with 'Here, have some delicious textures' ItemBlock. This is 100% normal.
Because at some point, things stop being anti-pay-to-win and start becoming limiting. The problem is that people here disagree where that line is. Some see the line as far back, and they back the whole EULA, and others see it as far forward, and disagree with it completely.
As I've explained, that is far too costly to be a proper solution for most of the issues. It's also rather a waste of server space.
So you see p2w as necessary, as in you don't think compromise is possible? Things should just be the way they were before?
I WAS NEVER TALKING ABOUT DONOR KITS.
I WAS TALKING ABOUT KITS THAT WERE FREE INGAME. YOU MADE IT SOUND LIKE MOJANG RESTRICTED PEOPLE FROM CHOOSING THEIR OWN KIT FROM A CHOICE OF FREE KITS. SORRY FOR THE MISUNDERSTANDING BUT YOU MADE IT SOUND LIKE MOJANG WENT ALL NAZI.
[Client thread/INFO] [Natura]: TConstruct, we're going to take over the world!
Are you saying in the context of pay to win or the current EULA? Mojang said they don't want to profit from p2w.
Whoa. Whoa. Calm down. Please. Yes, he misunderstood. We all noticed. There is nothing in the EULA preventing multiple free kits.
[Client thread/INFO] [Natura]: TConstruct, we're going to take over the world!
Sorry, just thought he couldn't see it so I enhanced the font
[Client thread/INFO] [Natura]: TConstruct, we're going to take over the world!
If you're against P2W then I don't see how you can all this draconian? Unless you're implying you're against P2W but you see it as necessary? O.o
[Client thread/INFO] [Natura]: TConstruct, we're going to take over the world!
I mean if this was going to happen and replace the happy go lucky everyone must be equal EULA (which most likely will not) Something like $2.50 in fees a month for every 15 people (based on average users online at one time in a month)
The servility of P2W is subjective, but still by definition that iron kit is p2w, even if you don't see it as p2w. It may also be extremely OP in different situations.
I mean honestly if you want to do this then people can just make a second server solely for premium people.
But don't you think they are over dramatizing on their definition of pay to win is? It would be like assuming all people who have unprotected sex will get AIDS.
You weren't talking about free kits and Mojang could give a crap about free kits. The whole discussion is about selling kits for real money. And you apparently didn't read anything that I actually said if you thought I was talking about free kits.
the advantage is the AIDS.
Well then we're both at fault, just me more than you, sorry.
IMHO any items sold for real money that enhance your chance to win over someone who didn't pay is P2W. Analogy: You go to a casino to play Blackjack. Casino sells a "kit" that gives you a 25% better chance of getting a face card when you draw. P2W.
Because at some point, things stop being anti-pay-to-win and start becoming limiting. The problem is that people here disagree where that line is. Some see the line as far back, and they back the whole EULA, and others see it as far forward, and disagree with it completely.
As I've explained, that is far too costly to be a proper solution for most of the issues. It's also rather a waste of server space.
[quote=Badgerz]You have to keep in mind that people are stupid.
[quote=Catelite]Just because you don't understand how something works, doesn't make it broken or pointless. >_<
[Client thread/INFO] [Natura]: TConstruct, we're going to take over the world!
No worries, didn't mean to get confrontational with you. It's hard to keep track of all of the parallel conversations going on in this thread. Getting too used to trying to translate the posts from people trying to find ways to skirt the EULA.
and in minigames and in skyblock etc.
Indeed.
[Client thread/INFO] [Natura]: TConstruct, we're going to take over the world!
So you see p2w as necessary, as in you don't think compromise is possible? Things should just be the way they were before?