Left with that came back to this. I left for some months got back base destroyed lost all of my Armour i have nothing and yeah because it was all in that base clan isn't no more the clan anonymous has the galaxy's spawner well use to be galaxy's and yeah i miss my old clan galaxy i knew i shouldn't of left mike and 9er now i have nothing
10 December 2013 - 05:09 PM
Reasons to allow Strength 1 and allow Unbreaking 3 enchant in 1.7:
- People won't be bored in endless ctp fights.
- Blaze Rods will have a worth and will no longer be treated as junk.
- Ctp becomes a point of interest were you can actually GAIN from pvping.
- Players will no longer carry two sets of armor on them and just opple away and survived every time.
- K4nye doesn't get to 10v1 people anymore :>.
- People will spend more money into armor than before boosting economy.
Cons with not allowing Strength 1 and disabling Unbreaking 3 in 1.7:
- PvP will stay boring as it now is.
- Ctp will be about who has more sets of armor 20 sets vs 10 sets of armor.
- You cannot die in a pvp battle unless your armor breaks.
- People would rather throw their blaze rods into a cactus than use them ( That is what I would do )
- Economy stays the same
- Less and Less people will start fighting knowing all they will have to do is repair their broken armor that they gained nothing from at ctp.
- Why LIMIT Killion instead of ADD. Limiting Unbreaking would limit our powers more than they already are. Limiting Strength disables the want of pvp. ADDING strength makes people want to fight because they know they can GAIN from pvp. ADDING unbreaking will make it balanced perfectly with the added damage in strength 1 so they can deal more damage but armor will take the same amount of damage. So one hit without strength right now will do the same duro as someone with strength 1 with this idea.
If you want me to, I could make at least a 2 page thing extending WAY more reasons why we should allow these two things to bring back interest in pvp. Please do not hate, this is just a suggestion with facts :>.
~Ender
10 December 2013 - 05:09 PM
Reasons to allow Strength 1 and allow Unbreaking 3 enchant in 1.7:
- People won't be bored in endless ctp fights.
- Blaze Rods will have a worth and will no longer be treated as junk.
- Ctp becomes a point of interest were you can actually GAIN from pvping.
- Players will no longer carry two sets of armor on them and just opple away and survived every time.
- K4nye doesn't get to 10v1 people anymore :>.
- People will spend more money into armor than before boosting economy.
Cons with not allowing Strength 1 and disabling Unbreaking 3 in 1.7:
- PvP will stay boring as it now is.
- Ctp will be about who has more sets of armor 20 sets vs 10 sets of armor.
- You cannot die in a pvp battle unless your armor breaks.
- People would rather throw their blaze rods into a cactus than use them ( That is what I would do )
- Economy stays the same
- Less and Less people will start fighting knowing all they will have to do is repair their broken armor that they gained nothing from at ctp.
- Why LIMIT Killion instead of ADD. Limiting Unbreaking would limit our powers more than they already are. Limiting Strength disables the want of pvp. ADDING strength makes people want to fight because they know they can GAIN from pvp. ADDING unbreaking will make it balanced perfectly with the added damage in strength 1 so they can deal more damage but armor will take the same amount of damage. So one hit without strength right now will do the same duro as someone with strength 1 with this idea.
If you want me to, I could make at least a 2 page thing extending WAY more reasons why we should allow these two things to bring back interest in pvp. Please do not hate, this is just a suggestion with facts :>.
Suggestions regarding /town spawn:
Make it so:
1) You have to stand still for /town spawn to work.
2) You cannot use /town spawn while combat tagged, or if you get combat togged while the countdown is occuring, it gets cancelled.
It is very frustrating that people can simply /town spawn and escape any fight that takes place.
Suggestion regarding horse mounts:
Make the cooldown also occur if the horse is killed. Once again, people can just spam their horse and be essentially invincible.
I am sorry if you haven't realize but people spend countless days working for t spawn. I feel t spawn is a little over powered, but you suggestion makes it so clan homing is better since you can do it while combat tagged. Honestly, I would feel as if prestige was worthless with these limits. I think if anything were to be limited with t spawn it should ONLY be were you can only t spawn while not combat tagged but you can still move while awaiting a teleport, this will create a much more fair command. By the time you even type /t spawn you have a great chance of already being hit by someone so you cannot easily get away. But making it so you cannot move in addition to this would make it worse than clan home ruining the point of prestige.
Suggestions regarding /town spawn:
Make it so:
1) You have to stand still for /town spawn to work.
2) You cannot use /town spawn while combat tagged, or if you get combat togged while the countdown is occuring, it gets cancelled.
It is very frustrating that people can simply /town spawn and escape any fight that takes place.
Suggestion regarding horse mounts:
Make the cooldown also occur if the horse is killed. Once again, people can just spam their horse and be essentially invincible.
I completely agree with Wookeh, PvP is ruined with /town spawn as that is what everyone does. It it basically a /plot home comparing it to other servers.
In-game Name:julienmythology
How old are you?14
What is your timezone(GMT)?Canada
What time can you guard? (Ex: 1PM-4PM)?on week 7:00 To 10:00 and weekend all day
How long have you played on Killion?:about 3 or 4 months
What is your current rank (Block)?elite
Do you have experience with prison servers?:alot
Do you have experience guarding?:kinda ive done it on an other server
Have you read ALL of the server rules, both guard and prisoner?:yes indeed
What makes you the best guard applicant?:well i like folwing ruels and my dad works at a prison and hes a guard so i want to do the same i guess we have to get stated somehow right? and i see alot of poeple whit swords and potions thank you Hi my name is julienmythology in game and i have been muted because i was 'spamming' for counting from 5 to 0 in a drop party ;( plz help me and ty
Hi my name is julienmythology in game and i have been muted because i was 'spamming' for counting from 5 to 0 in a drop party ;( plz help me and ty
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I know I'm not supposed to reply to appeals, but after seeing you appeal multiple times, I have something to ask you:
While basically destroying a town, the thought of getting banned never crossed your mind? Surely it did, because when I was around and griefed/broke rules, the thought of a punishment soon to come was always in the back of my head.
If you were in the shoes of those who got their town destroyed, including the time and money put into said town, you wouldn't want that person to be punished?
I am sorry if you haven't realize but people spend countless days working for t spawn. I feel t spawn is a little over powered, but you suggestion makes it so clan homing is better since you can do it while combat tagged. Honestly, I would feel as if prestige was worthless with these limits. I think if anything were to be limited with t spawn it should ONLY be were you can only t spawn while not combat tagged but you can still move while awaiting a teleport, this will create a much more fair command. By the time you even type /t spawn you have a great chance of already being hit by someone so you cannot easily get away. But making it so you cannot move in addition to this would make it worse than clan home ruining the point of prestige.
So you're saying, you can go through a prestige system, which in all honesty isn't that hard, and be able to warp away from any fight that you go to and never lose armor? That truly isn't fair at all.
So you're saying, you can go through a prestige system, which in all honesty isn't that hard, and be able to warp away from any fight that you go to and never lose armor? That truly isn't fair at all.
You honestly haven't read a word I wrote in there haven't you...
If anyone knows that they're breaking rules on the server then of course they're going to be thinking about the punishment soon to come whereas in my case I didn't believe that there would be any punishment as I took:
Right, so destroying 16 spawners, setting permissions for other people to grief the entire town (this is what I heard, don't know if it's true or not.) and basically causing chaos for that town isn't mass griefing in your eyes? Get real, Conor.
The logic you're using is: "Oh, breaking a spawner isn't against the rule, so I'll break 16 of them." Well, breaking a block isn't against the rules either, but when you break multiple of them, it's mass griefing... and a punishment will come.
I know I'm not supposed to reply to appeals, but after seeing you appeal multiple times, I have something to ask you:
While basically destroying a town, the thought of getting banned never crossed your mind? Surely it did, because when I was around and griefed/broke rules, the thought of a punishment soon to come was always in the back of my head.
If you were in the shoes of those who got their town destroyed, including the time and money put into said town, you wouldn't want that person to be punished?
Right, so destroying 16 spawners, setting permissions for other people to grief the entire town (this is what I heard, don't know if it's true or not.) and basically causing chaos for that town isn't mass griefing in your eyes? Get real, Conor.
The logic you're using is: "Oh, breaking a spawner isn't against the rule, so I'll break 16 of them." Well, breaking a block isn't against the rules either, but when you break multiple of them, it's mass griefing... and a punishment will come.
destroying spawner is not a bannable offense even $400 worth of spawners it's their fault for putting him in charge
If Facebook, Myspace, and Twitter were all destroyed, 99% of teens would go insane. If you're one of the 1% that would be laughing at them, copy this into your signature and hope it happens
destroying spawner is not a bannable offense even $400 worth of spawners it's their fault for putting him in charge
...You're not an owner, or even a Warden. How do you know what's bannable or not bannable? If Conor is banned, we do not question it, because it's up to Mark/Starzy
Breaking spawners wasn't bannable at the time as we all know it's the players duty to protect their own spawners and jookes therefore made an error in protecting his spawners by putting me in charge of the town and in turn giving me permissions to his spawners, (even after I stated I'd destroy the town in PM's to Blueshooter).
What I'm saying to you is far from a rant. You were banned clearly for mass griefing, and even told by Starzy herself that it was because of mass griefing. You're too closed-minded to even realize what I'm saying, so there's no reason to take this conversation to your message box.
Realize that making yourself sound innocent makes you sound foolish. I know deep down you knew what you were doing was wrong, but you did it anyways because you felt whatever the person did to you was wrong, and you sought revenge. I know how it works Conor, trust me.
But anyway, good luck on your appeal. Hope you get the reply that you're looking for.
Breaking spawners wasn't bannable at the time as we all know it's the players duty to protect their own spawners and jookes therefore made an error in protecting his spawners by putting me in charge of the town and in turn giving me permissions to his spawners, (even after I stated I'd destroy the town in PM's to Blueshooter).
It was my intention from the start to take down the spawners so you can be very sure I tripple checked if breaking spawners would result in a ban, I even was told of people getting their octos destroyed due to lack of pstone protection and no one was punished (especially not for "mass grief"), so you can sit and rant all you want about how what I did counted as mass grief but it really didn't, it was 16 spawners and some quartz from a road and your whole "Well, breaking a block isn't against the rules either, but when you break multiple of them, it's mass griefing... and a punishment will come" is just a silly thing to say, of course breaking one block isn't bannable and of course breaking multiple blocks to an extreme extent is but then again what is your definition of multiple? Because no one knows the exact amount of blocks that is mass grief as mass grief is only determind by the wardens and the only times I've seen people getting into trouble for mass grief is when their grief is tons upon tons of blocks destroyed/placed and this is something I just didn't do at Stonegate.
If you wanna continue debating my message box is open.
But those spawners cost jookes 400 REAL LIFE dollars. Think if that happened to you. You basically stole $400.
If you wanna continue debating my message box is open.
I'm not saying what Conor did is right, but I think it's best to leave this to PMs if you want to continue this, Connor (like he said at the bottom of his post).
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VC's Mod Application
In-game Name: im_VC44
In-game Rank: Citizen
Age: 15
Timezone: EST
How long have you played on Killion?: I have played on KDC since August 3rd, 2012, so around 16 months.
Have you ever been muted or banned?: I can honestly say that I haven't been muted any time recently. As for being banned, I have been temp-banned once.
If so, why and for how long?: I have been temp-banned for wearing chain armor even though I wasn't a guard. Needless to say, I've learnt from my stupidity, and such an incident will not occur again.
Why do you believe you're suitable for the Moderation role?: I believe that I am suitable for the moderation role as I have the necessary skill and spare time needed for this staff position. Being a long-standing member of this server, I know the in and outs of almost everything in Killion. Although the rules are second nature to me, I'm very open to learning, which I'm sure will be necessary. One could say that I'm pretty trustworthy, and will be unbiased with every decision that I make.
If I have upset any admin, mod or owner in the past, or even the present, I sincerely apologize. I hope that you will be able to look ahead of my previous faults to see the new candidate you have applying.
Breaking spawners wasn't bannable at the time as we all know it's the players duty to protect their own spawners and jookes therefore made an error in protecting his spawners by putting me in charge of the town and in turn giving me permissions to his spawners, (even after I stated I'd destroy the town in PM's to Blueshooter).
It was my intention from the start to take down the spawners so you can be very sure I tripple checked if breaking spawners would result in a ban, I even was told of people getting their octos destroyed due to lack of pstone protection and no one was punished (especially not for "mass grief"), so you can sit and rant all you want about how what I did counted as mass grief but it really didn't, it was 16 spawners and some quartz from a road and your whole "Well, breaking a block isn't against the rules either, but when you break multiple of them, it's mass griefing... and a punishment will come" is just a silly thing to say, of course breaking one block isn't bannable and of course breaking multiple blocks to an extreme extent is but then again what is your definition of multiple? Because no one knows the exact amount of blocks that is mass grief as mass grief is only determind by the wardens and the only times I've seen people getting into trouble for mass grief is when their grief is tons upon tons of blocks destroyed/placed and this is something I just didn't do at Stonegate.
If you wanna continue debating my message box is open.
I think I know more about this kind of situation more than anyone. A long time ago I mad a huge mistake and I got banned for it. The same principle applies here, I never did anything that was specifically against the rules nor written in them, but what I did do is something that Mark and Starzy would not want on their server. Mark and Starzy do people favors by banning people with bad intentions, you had people who trusted you enough to hold 400$ of their hard earned irl money in your hands, and what did you do with that? sabotaged their hard work and destroyed them. With great power, comes great responsibility, and you showed absolutely no responsibility in your actions. So before you question why you got banned because nothing you did was really in the rules. Take a step back, ask yourself "If I were an owner of a server, would I want someone like me on it?" The answer may not come to you at this moment, in fact, it took me almost a year to realize my bad actions, maybe it will take less time for you, who knows. All I am saying is, you can't say that you do not admit fault when you did something like this. Trust me Connor, I know more than anyone on this server that bad behavior is not tolerated, I have been through it, I let it go to my head, and I abused it, and ended up in a situation almost exactly like yours. Admit fault, understand your wrongdoings, and I guarantee you have a WAYYYY better chance of atleast being able to buy an unlock at this point.
-Fr3sh
But those spawners cost jookes 400 REAL LIFE dollars. Think if that happened to you. You basically stole $400.
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If that happened to me, it'd be on me. I would've made the mistake in trusting someone whom I couldn't. He didn't steal anything. I don't see anything wrong with what he did; don't get me wrong, I'd never do anything like this but if you all thought about it if this happened to anyone disliked by most of the server, there wouldn't be all this defense. I defiantly am happy Jookes and the rest of Stonegate have their spawners again, although what if this situation was reversed? Someone obviously openly liked by most everyone went and destroyed the spawners and greifed a town of someone not liked by most, most people saying that it doesn't matter about the rules, he should be punished; would more then likely be all for the rules, "oh s/he did nothin rong l00k at de rulez. " In all honesty, I don't believe all these people defending what happened aren't defending what happened but the person that it happened too, and I don't think thats fair at all.
Stop discussing bans. This isn't going to change anything nor is it helping.
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However; I want to put a stop to these two things before it gets out of hand.
1 - Mass grief is subject to whatever Mark and Starzy consider "mass". It also holds a punishment to whatever they see fit for it. If they determine the ban should be permanent (Ex: Conor) then that's it.
2 - Conor wasn't banned because jookes is a friend of Mark, Starzy, me, or anyone else. If we use that logic we never should have demoted Gordan from Chat Mod because he's our friend. Don't try and pull that, it's not going to fly.
10 December 2013 - 05:09 PM
Reasons to allow Strength 1 and allow Unbreaking 3 enchant in 1.7:
- People won't be bored in endless ctp fights.
- Blaze Rods will have a worth and will no longer be treated as junk.
- Ctp becomes a point of interest were you can actually GAIN from pvping.
- Players will no longer carry two sets of armor on them and just opple away and survived every time.
- K4nye doesn't get to 10v1 people anymore :>.
- People will spend more money into armor than before boosting economy.
Cons with not allowing Strength 1 and disabling Unbreaking 3 in 1.7:
- PvP will stay boring as it now is.
- Ctp will be about who has more sets of armor 20 sets vs 10 sets of armor.
- You cannot die in a pvp battle unless your armor breaks.
- People would rather throw their blaze rods into a cactus than use them ( That is what I would do )
- Economy stays the same
- Less and Less people will start fighting knowing all they will have to do is repair their broken armor that they gained nothing from at ctp.
- Why LIMIT Killion instead of ADD. Limiting Unbreaking would limit our powers more than they already are. Limiting Strength disables the want of pvp. ADDING strength makes people want to fight because they know they can GAIN from pvp. ADDING unbreaking will make it balanced perfectly with the added damage in strength 1 so they can deal more damage but armor will take the same amount of damage. So one hit without strength right now will do the same duro as someone with strength 1 with this idea.
If you want me to, I could make at least a 2 page thing extending WAY more reasons why we should allow these two things to bring back interest in pvp. Please do not hate, this is just a suggestion with facts :>.
~Ender
10 December 2013 - 05:09 PM
Reasons to allow Strength 1 and allow Unbreaking 3 enchant in 1.7:
- People won't be bored in endless ctp fights.
- Blaze Rods will have a worth and will no longer be treated as junk.
- Ctp becomes a point of interest were you can actually GAIN from pvping.
- Players will no longer carry two sets of armor on them and just opple away and survived every time.
- K4nye doesn't get to 10v1 people anymore :>.
- People will spend more money into armor than before boosting economy.
Cons with not allowing Strength 1 and disabling Unbreaking 3 in 1.7:
- PvP will stay boring as it now is.
- Ctp will be about who has more sets of armor 20 sets vs 10 sets of armor.
- You cannot die in a pvp battle unless your armor breaks.
- People would rather throw their blaze rods into a cactus than use them ( That is what I would do )
- Economy stays the same
- Less and Less people will start fighting knowing all they will have to do is repair their broken armor that they gained nothing from at ctp.
- Why LIMIT Killion instead of ADD. Limiting Unbreaking would limit our powers more than they already are. Limiting Strength disables the want of pvp. ADDING strength makes people want to fight because they know they can GAIN from pvp. ADDING unbreaking will make it balanced perfectly with the added damage in strength 1 so they can deal more damage but armor will take the same amount of damage. So one hit without strength right now will do the same duro as someone with strength 1 with this idea.
If you want me to, I could make at least a 2 page thing extending WAY more reasons why we should allow these two things to bring back interest in pvp. Please do not hate, this is just a suggestion with facts :>.
~Ender
I am sorry if you haven't realize but people spend countless days working for t spawn. I feel t spawn is a little over powered, but you suggestion makes it so clan homing is better since you can do it while combat tagged. Honestly, I would feel as if prestige was worthless with these limits. I think if anything were to be limited with t spawn it should ONLY be were you can only t spawn while not combat tagged but you can still move while awaiting a teleport, this will create a much more fair command. By the time you even type /t spawn you have a great chance of already being hit by someone so you cannot easily get away. But making it so you cannot move in addition to this would make it worse than clan home ruining the point of prestige.
How old are you?14
What is your timezone(GMT)?Canada
What time can you guard? (Ex: 1PM-4PM)?on week 7:00 To 10:00 and weekend all day
How long have you played on Killion?:about 3 or 4 months
What is your current rank (Block)?elite
Do you have experience with prison servers?:alot
Do you have experience guarding?:kinda ive done it on an other server
Have you read ALL of the server rules, both guard and prisoner?:yes indeed
What makes you the best guard applicant?:well i like folwing ruels and my dad works at a prison and hes a guard so i want to do the same i guess we have to get stated somehow right? and i see alot of poeple whit swords and potions thank you
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I know I'm not supposed to reply to appeals, but after seeing you appeal multiple times, I have something to ask you:
While basically destroying a town, the thought of getting banned never crossed your mind? Surely it did, because when I was around and griefed/broke rules, the thought of a punishment soon to come was always in the back of my head.
If you were in the shoes of those who got their town destroyed, including the time and money put into said town, you wouldn't want that person to be punished?
So you're saying, you can go through a prestige system, which in all honesty isn't that hard, and be able to warp away from any fight that you go to and never lose armor? That truly isn't fair at all.
~ Wookeh ~
You honestly haven't read a word I wrote in there haven't you...
Right, so destroying 16 spawners, setting permissions for other people to grief the entire town (this is what I heard, don't know if it's true or not.) and basically causing chaos for that town isn't mass griefing in your eyes? Get real, Conor.
The logic you're using is: "Oh, breaking a spawner isn't against the rule, so I'll break 16 of them." Well, breaking a block isn't against the rules either, but when you break multiple of them, it's mass griefing... and a punishment will come.
destroying spawner is not a bannable offense even $400 worth of spawners it's their fault for putting him in charge
...You're not an owner, or even a Warden. How do you know what's bannable or not bannable? If Conor is banned, we do not question it, because it's up to Mark/Starzy
Source: Mark's Twitter.
What I'm saying to you is far from a rant. You were banned clearly for mass griefing, and even told by Starzy herself that it was because of mass griefing. You're too closed-minded to even realize what I'm saying, so there's no reason to take this conversation to your message box.
Realize that making yourself sound innocent makes you sound foolish. I know deep down you knew what you were doing was wrong, but you did it anyways because you felt whatever the person did to you was wrong, and you sought revenge. I know how it works Conor, trust me.
But anyway, good luck on your appeal. Hope you get the reply that you're looking for.
I'm not saying what Conor did is right, but I think it's best to leave this to PMs if you want to continue this, Connor (like he said at the bottom of his post).
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In-game Name: im_VC44
In-game Rank: Citizen
Age: 15
Timezone: EST
How long have you played on Killion?: I have played on KDC since August 3rd, 2012, so around 16 months.
Have you ever been muted or banned?: I can honestly say that I haven't been muted any time recently. As for being banned, I have been temp-banned once.
If so, why and for how long?: I have been temp-banned for wearing chain armor even though I wasn't a guard. Needless to say, I've learnt from my stupidity, and such an incident will not occur again.
Why do you believe you're suitable for the Moderation role?: I believe that I am suitable for the moderation role as I have the necessary skill and spare time needed for this staff position. Being a long-standing member of this server, I know the in and outs of almost everything in Killion. Although the rules are second nature to me, I'm very open to learning, which I'm sure will be necessary. One could say that I'm pretty trustworthy, and will be unbiased with every decision that I make.
If I have upset any admin, mod or owner in the past, or even the present, I sincerely apologize. I hope that you will be able to look ahead of my previous faults to see the new candidate you have applying.
Extra Information: Thank you for your time.
- VC
I think I know more about this kind of situation more than anyone. A long time ago I mad a huge mistake and I got banned for it. The same principle applies here, I never did anything that was specifically against the rules nor written in them, but what I did do is something that Mark and Starzy would not want on their server. Mark and Starzy do people favors by banning people with bad intentions, you had people who trusted you enough to hold 400$ of their hard earned irl money in your hands, and what did you do with that? sabotaged their hard work and destroyed them. With great power, comes great responsibility, and you showed absolutely no responsibility in your actions. So before you question why you got banned because nothing you did was really in the rules. Take a step back, ask yourself "If I were an owner of a server, would I want someone like me on it?" The answer may not come to you at this moment, in fact, it took me almost a year to realize my bad actions, maybe it will take less time for you, who knows. All I am saying is, you can't say that you do not admit fault when you did something like this. Trust me Connor, I know more than anyone on this server that bad behavior is not tolerated, I have been through it, I let it go to my head, and I abused it, and ended up in a situation almost exactly like yours. Admit fault, understand your wrongdoings, and I guarantee you have a WAYYYY better chance of atleast being able to buy an unlock at this point.
-Fr3sh
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If that happened to me, it'd be on me. I would've made the mistake in trusting someone whom I couldn't. He didn't steal anything. I don't see anything wrong with what he did; don't get me wrong, I'd never do anything like this but if you all thought about it if this happened to anyone disliked by most of the server, there wouldn't be all this defense. I defiantly am happy Jookes and the rest of Stonegate have their spawners again, although what if this situation was reversed? Someone obviously openly liked by most everyone went and destroyed the spawners and greifed a town of someone not liked by most, most people saying that it doesn't matter about the rules, he should be punished; would more then likely be all for the rules, "oh s/he did nothin rong l00k at de rulez. " In all honesty, I don't believe all these people defending what happened aren't defending what happened but the person that it happened too, and I don't think thats fair at all.
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However; I want to put a stop to these two things before it gets out of hand.
1 - Mass grief is subject to whatever Mark and Starzy consider "mass". It also holds a punishment to whatever they see fit for it.
If they determine the ban should be permanent (Ex: Conor) then that's it.
2 - Conor wasn't banned because jookes is a friend of Mark, Starzy, me, or anyone else. If we use that logic we never should have demoted Gordan from Chat Mod because he's our friend. Don't try and pull that, it's not going to fly.