Because why? It ISNT. You are in controlled worlds. This isnt open ended servers where people come and go. these people are on your friends list.
... and people can't bully their friends? There are many instances on record of friends bullying other friends (even close friends). Similarly, some siblings are known to bully their brothers or sisters and even abusive spousal relationship exist in our society (in approx. 1 in 2 marriages). It doesn't matter what tool a bully might use to accomplish their objective, IF their intent it to intimate or harm another person and they also have an intent to persist with the behavior until they feel the victim is demeaned or subjugated, then that action/tool becomes bullying. One cannot say that griefing is arbitrarily not bullying, since it is something that can easily be used as a tool by bullies to bully.
Griefing in the minecraft is as bad as stealing or vandalism in the real world and should be punished accordingly. That is not a joke. I'm a landlord and have my real world property griefed sometimes and I feel as strongly about minecraft griefing as I do about rental property griefing. I have had to call the sheriff and take people to court in the real world and if I could I would not hesitate to do the same to griefers of the minecraft.
If anything minecraft griefing is worse than real world griefing because minecraft griefers are people that grief simply because they enjoy causing people pain. That type of mentality and person has no place in society and should be eliminated permanently.
That's retarded! If anything I'm glad people grief in minecraft because it's a safe, controlled environment and if people do it in minecraft they won't do it in real life and cause emotional or even physical pain to someone. In minecraft, sure its annoying, however nobody's gonna grief in minecraft and go to jail or break a bone.
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omg...... I can not be reading this thread correctly
i signed in to LOL this comment im tripping LOL.. its minecraft guys its just a game, anything done in the game should not translate to real word actions, if it happens multiable times both partys are to blame, there are easy ways to stop this from happing again. however if both partys know each other in real life, multiable attempts will be considered harrisment, it is the job of the one being harrised to end the online interactions. if that person fails to do so both partys are to blame, if any of this translates to real world actions, the one who performs the real world actions is to blame. evidence of past harrisment will then come into play when the person getting harrised tells the proper adulit, then action is taken to find out the truth. << that would be harrisment and bullying and cyber bulling. now comparing this to any real world event even to just compare simulairtys it stupid, its just a game and if it stay that way no one gets hurt. sure be sad someone tried or did wreck some of your stuff, ther are plenty of ways to stop it from happing and from happing again. if you cant handle this on one of the most chill games ever made your A. to young to be on games (or B. get off the game and put on some sponge bob or something.
It's still going because lots of people get griefed in this game and the makers don't seem to think it's important enough to do something about it.
thats why we are able to boot people and host invite only games, also theres friends list management. this alone is enugh. also people can join with no privligies or how about no edit or no doors and switchs privliges and if your on pc which is way worse (i would hate to hear from you about that one) there are way more ways to manage people. not only do the developers care a huge modding community cares.
thats were able to boot people and host invite only games, also theres friends list management. this alone is enugh. also people can join with no privligies or how about no edit or no doors and switchs privliges and if your on pc which is way worse (i would hate to hear from you about that one) there are way more ways to manage people. not only do the developers care a huge modding community cares.
I use to run two 24-7 servers on x-box and had a third xbox to play on other peoples worlds and play COD. The anti-griefing tools are not sufficient if you want to invite new people from the forums or other places. The real world friends I use to play minecraft with don't play anymore because of griefers. I haven't played minecraft in about 2 months.
There are actions that can be taken to punish real world griefers. One reason it is frustrating in minecraft is because all you can do is kick someone and that assumes you know who did the griefing which on a 24/7 server is very difficult to determine.
Serial killers kill for the pleasure of causing pain Griefers are the same and should be punished accordingly. People that bully or grief online are broken in real life as well.
I use to run two 24-7 servers on x-box and had a third xbox to play on other peoples worlds and play COD. The anti-griefing tools are not sufficient if you want to invite new people from the forums or other places. The real world friends I use to play minecraft with don't play anymore because of griefers. I haven't played minecraft in about 2 months.
There are actions that can be taken to punish real world griefers. One reason it is frustrating in minecraft is because all you can do is kick someone and that assumes you know who did the griefing which on a 24/7 server is very difficult to determine.
Serial killers kill for the pleasure of causing pain Griefers are the same and should be punished accordingly. People that bully or grief online are broken in real life as well.
your example sounds like you are trying to take on too much at one time, 24\7 servers on MCXB360E is not the same as PC. it is not the developers fault when someone griefs its yours, you let that person in. you could do thing to make the process more easy, limiting how many get to play per day or a few new players a month. imo MCXB360 is not ready for servers and not ready for large groups of people that cant be watched 24/7. the only way you will ever be able to "punish griefers" is by not giving them a second chance, also a better screening process like an interview or watching the new guy while you are invisable. set up easy to fail traps, make it easy and tempting to grief something and watch what they do. now i will say dont go after the griefers or developers with hate, soon enugh there will be boundry markers and other "tools" that the PC enjoy. thats where we are at with this game its just a waiting game. everything is there that we need just not everything we want.
your example sounds like you are trying to take on too much at one time, 24\7 servers on MCXB360E is not the same as PC. it is not the developers fault when someone griefs its yours, you let that person in. you could do thing to make the process more easy, limiting how many get to play per day or a few new players a month. imo MCXB360 is not ready for servers and not ready for large groups of people that cant be watched 24/7. the only way you will ever be able to "punish griefers" is by not giving them a second chance, also a better screening process like an interview or watching the new guy while you are invisable. set up easy to fail traps, make it easy and tempting to grief something and watch what they do. now i will say dont go after the griefers or developers with hate, soon enugh there will be boundry markers and other "tools" that the PC enjoy. thats where we are at with this game its just a waiting game. everything is there that we need just not everything we want.
Serial killers kill for the pleasure of causing pain Griefers are the same and should be punished accordingly. People that bully or grief online are broken in real life as well.
YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR FLIPPING MIND. PLEASE COME BACK TO REALITY AND REALIZE IT IS JUST A FREAKING GAME. YOU ARE AN ADULT, ACT LIKE IT.
Griefing may not be illegal or considered cyber bullying, but that doesn't prevent it from being considered stupid and childish. Then again that's why I stick to adult servers and mature groups. xD
Sadism involves gaining pleasure from seeing others undergo pain or discomfort. The opponent-process theory explains the way in which individuals not only display, but also take enjoyment in committing sadistic acts. Individuals possessing sadistic personalities display recurrent cruel behavior and aggression. Sadism can also include the use of emotional cruelty, purposefully manipulating others through the use of fear, and a preoccupation with violence.
While some sadistic individuals do gain pleasure in imposing pain and suffering upon others, sadism does not always involve the use of physical aggression or violence. More often, sadistic individuals express aggressive social behaviors and enjoy publicly humiliating others in order to achieve a sense of power over them.
And as for the makers that have ignored the need for better anti-griefer tools with every update. Being the bystander allowing this anti-social behavior to take place is just as wrong.
Stupid would be the kid who stuffed foam from the couch up his nose for months/years until it rotted and stunk so bad he was finally taken to the doctor to discover what he'd been doing. True story.
While worded pretty strongly, the IamBaldur's core point is that griefing is not good behavior, it's not nice, and it can be hurtful to the recipient of such actions.
Even in a game, it is possible to behave badly or offensively. Even flipping over the table to disrupt a game of monopoly can be upsetting to the other players of the game.
Sadism involves gaining pleasure from seeing others undergo pain or discomfort. The opponent-process theory explains the way in which individuals not only display, but also take enjoyment in committing sadistic acts. Individuals possessing sadistic personalities display recurrent cruel behavior and aggression. Sadism can also include the use of emotional cruelty, purposefully manipulating others through the use of fear, and a preoccupation with violence.
While some sadistic individuals do gain pleasure in imposing pain and suffering upon others, sadism does not always involve the use of physical aggression or violence. More often, sadistic individuals express aggressive social behaviors and enjoy publicly humiliating others in order to achieve a sense of power over them.
And as for the makers that have ignored the need for better anti-griefer tools with every update. Being the bystander allowing this anti-social behavior to take place is just as wrong.
There is an element of context involved in this.
You are bringing up examples of real life and very sick indivuduals.
Most of the griefers you are talking about are kids that dont really know better.
I dont think its correct to compare a kid who blew up your creation on minecraft to a seral killer as you have in the past. Or even more so to suggest that 4J are similar to someone who stood by while a crime was being comited.
The line between reality and game seems to still be very fuzzy with you.
I feel that a lot of griefing is a lot of times done due to immature escalation. You can have a group of kids get together with the best of intentions, then an accident happens, or one starts taking some stuff that others have worked hard to collect due to some misguided feelings of entitlement... then soon feelings get hurt because one or more are not getting what they wanted, so they start doing petty things to each other in their attempt to rebel, and then it tends to escalate out of control.
So the intent may not always have started out to cause problems, but all the same it escalates to that point. I tried playing split screen with my son and one of his friends, and his friend was that way, he let things escalate to the point where he just started trying to grief the both of us. I'll admit that I did some counter griefing back at him in retaliation of his behavior ... but eventually I got to the point that I realized that I wanted to build, and he was just having more fun interrupting my process in building, or goading me into playing his game. Since it was my game in the first place, I just quit playing all together and shut it off, that ended the game for all of us. To this day, I refuse to play with his friend in MC.
I'm not saying that there aren't habitual problem cases out there that are at their core sadistic and just want to destroy everything around them and take joy in other people's suffering... but it isn't always the case either.
Sadistic Personality Disorder Definition of sadismSadism involves gaining pleasure from seeing others undergo pain or discomfort. The opponent-process theory explains the way in which individuals not only display, but also take enjoyment in committing sadistic acts. Individuals possessing sadistic personalities display recurrent cruel behavior and aggression. Sadism can also include the use of emotional cruelty, purposefully manipulating others through the use of fear, and a preoccupation with violence.While some sadistic individuals do gain pleasure in imposing pain and suffering upon others, sadism does not always involve the use of physical aggression or violence. More often, sadistic individuals express aggressive social behaviors and enjoy publicly humiliating others in order to achieve a sense of power over them.And as for the makers that have ignored the need for better anti-griefer tools with every update. Being the bystander allowing this anti-social behavior to take place is just as wrong.Below link to news story:http://www.cnn.com/2...rape.bystander/
YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND!!!
Not even close to the same. You need to put this in context, but you cant. See that would ruin your loony posts. You can not, compare griefing in minecraft to standing by when rape happenes, murderers or the like as they are nothing alike. You are taking a complex issue and simplifing it to make you seem smart, special or like you are right. You are neither the first nor the last if you truly believe what you are posting. As for special.... yeah you seem to fit that bill.
I believe everyone has made their opinions clear on this matter. Due to the nature this thread is turning I believe it's time this thread should be closed.
... and people can't bully their friends? There are many instances on record of friends bullying other friends (even close friends). Similarly, some siblings are known to bully their brothers or sisters and even abusive spousal relationship exist in our society (in approx. 1 in 2 marriages). It doesn't matter what tool a bully might use to accomplish their objective, IF their intent it to intimate or harm another person and they also have an intent to persist with the behavior until they feel the victim is demeaned or subjugated, then that action/tool becomes bullying. One cannot say that griefing is arbitrarily not bullying, since it is something that can easily be used as a tool by bullies to bully.
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I use to run two 24-7 servers on x-box and had a third xbox to play on other peoples worlds and play COD. The anti-griefing tools are not sufficient if you want to invite new people from the forums or other places. The real world friends I use to play minecraft with don't play anymore because of griefers. I haven't played minecraft in about 2 months.
There are actions that can be taken to punish real world griefers. One reason it is frustrating in minecraft is because all you can do is kick someone and that assumes you know who did the griefing which on a 24/7 server is very difficult to determine.
Serial killers kill for the pleasure of causing pain Griefers are the same and should be punished accordingly. People that bully or grief online are broken in real life as well.
https://www.youtube.com/user/IAMBaldur/feed
Tried that and more. Was not effective.
https://www.youtube.com/user/IAMBaldur/feed
For that level of stupid post, yes.
Definition of sadism
Sadism involves gaining pleasure from seeing others undergo pain or discomfort. The opponent-process theory explains the way in which individuals not only display, but also take enjoyment in committing sadistic acts. Individuals possessing sadistic personalities display recurrent cruel behavior and aggression. Sadism can also include the use of emotional cruelty, purposefully manipulating others through the use of fear, and a preoccupation with violence.
While some sadistic individuals do gain pleasure in imposing pain and suffering upon others, sadism does not always involve the use of physical aggression or violence. More often, sadistic individuals express aggressive social behaviors and enjoy publicly humiliating others in order to achieve a sense of power over them.
And as for the makers that have ignored the need for better anti-griefer tools with every update. Being the bystander allowing this anti-social behavior to take place is just as wrong.
Below link to news story:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/28/california.gang.rape.bystander/
https://www.youtube.com/user/IAMBaldur/feed
Stupid would be the kid who stuffed foam from the couch up his nose for months/years until it rotted and stunk so bad he was finally taken to the doctor to discover what he'd been doing. True story.
While worded pretty strongly, the IamBaldur's core point is that griefing is not good behavior, it's not nice, and it can be hurtful to the recipient of such actions.
Even in a game, it is possible to behave badly or offensively. Even flipping over the table to disrupt a game of monopoly can be upsetting to the other players of the game.
It's really that simple.
There is an element of context involved in this.
You are bringing up examples of real life and very sick indivuduals.
Most of the griefers you are talking about are kids that dont really know better.
I dont think its correct to compare a kid who blew up your creation on minecraft to a seral killer as you have in the past. Or even more so to suggest that 4J are similar to someone who stood by while a crime was being comited.
The line between reality and game seems to still be very fuzzy with you.
So the intent may not always have started out to cause problems, but all the same it escalates to that point. I tried playing split screen with my son and one of his friends, and his friend was that way, he let things escalate to the point where he just started trying to grief the both of us. I'll admit that I did some counter griefing back at him in retaliation of his behavior ... but eventually I got to the point that I realized that I wanted to build, and he was just having more fun interrupting my process in building, or goading me into playing his game. Since it was my game in the first place, I just quit playing all together and shut it off, that ended the game for all of us. To this day, I refuse to play with his friend in MC.
I'm not saying that there aren't habitual problem cases out there that are at their core sadistic and just want to destroy everything around them and take joy in other people's suffering... but it isn't always the case either.
That seems to be a path many are taking, including myself.
https://www.youtube.com/user/IAMBaldur/feed
Not even close to the same. You need to put this in context, but you cant. See that would ruin your loony posts. You can not, compare griefing in minecraft to standing by when rape happenes, murderers or the like as they are nothing alike. You are taking a complex issue and simplifing it to make you seem smart, special or like you are right. You are neither the first nor the last if you truly believe what you are posting. As for special.... yeah you seem to fit that bill.
I believe everyone has made their opinions clear on this matter. Due to the nature this thread is turning I believe it's time this thread should be closed.