yeah i got mine in beta. but never fear! the pc may be complex, but the internet will always be there holding the answers to all your pc related issues! that and you can always ask somebody here is your pc issue has to do with minecraft!
Well.... I put some thought and time into it, and after reading through some pages in the computer forums in that section, i don't know. Because when people would suggest models, they would say either it's a P.O.S. or make your own. which isn't very helpful :/
If you want to play on just your PC, by yourself, alone on the server, then yes. All you need to do is run the server.
If you want to play with other people on your server, you need to port forward which can be increasingly difficult if you don't know what you are doing. Or you can use Hamachi which I find equally as confusing.
So no, it's not as easy as 1, 2, 3 if you want to play with others.
Some of these things shouldn't really be on there. PC server have just as bad connection issues as an Xbox 360 can have. The outdated version is going to be updated. There will be texture packs of some sort eventually. As well as possibly mods. Xbox runs at a smooth 60 FPS with 8 people playing.
For the PC, you forgot to list that it takes a semi decent PC to run Minecraft. Any non gaming PC can probably barely run it. At least with tons of lag or other issues present. Large servers is a preference and should be a pro.
accept hes mostly wrong. the only point that's valid is that connection issues plague both systems.
running servers is as easy as downloading an executable and starting it. port forwarding is only needed if you intend to have people connect from outside your network. most people don't.
take it from somebody that has run multiple servers, many of them from his own desktop. in fact my development server, the one i use to test out new server setups before i move them to paid hosts, is on my desktop and is accessible from the internet. the only time servers become complicated is if you choose to run third party mods like craftbukkit.
i know how to do these things because i took 5s to look it up on the internet when i couldn't figure it out.
port forwarding on my router is as simple as this:
access my router by typing its ip into any browser (in this case its: http://192.168.0.1)
enter my user name and password. (if you cant figure yours out look on the back of any router for info on how to reset it)
click on advance settings
click on port forwarding
adjust the settings as needed
hit save.
wait 5s for the router to restart and i am good to go.
if you intend to play on a local network only then there is no need to port forward. the only reason that you should have to port forward on a local net is if somehow your router was designed for professional networking admins. or you intentionally went in and set your router to behave this way, which would then mean that you have all the expertise to port forward properly, thus having no reason to complain about port forwarding.
and lets face it, most people that run their own server host it only on their local net with their friends on the same network.
as for his statement that only gaming rigs can play minecraft hes dead wrong. the only pc's that should not be used for minecraft are pcs with cpu speeds less then 1.8ghz. so basically if you pc is anything other then a netbook, then you should be fine. just remember that like any other pc game, not every pc may be able to run it on max settings.
the bottom line is this:
we have had networking devices for decades now. there is at least 2 pc's per us home on average. there is no reason in this computer driven age that people do not know how to perform the basics of computer operations. this includes port forwarding. this is really simple stuff.
Well.... I put some thought and time into it, and after reading through some pages in the computer forums in that section, i don't know. Because when people would suggest models, they would say either it's a P.O.S. or make your own. which isn't very helpful :/
buying a pc for minecraft is not to hard. all you need is to meet these three requirements:
cpu speed should be higher then 2.0ghz and if possible have more then one core.
ram should 4gb or higher.
and the video card should be a model that is no older then 1 year.
ie: if you see a pc and it states what graphics card model it has, look that model up in google and see when it was released. anything made within the past year (as of the time you are looking at the pc, not of this writing) is almost certain to run it without problem.
also, if you would like help buying a PC for gaming, i can point you in the right direction. i build pc's as a hobby and can tell based on specs weather a pc will be able to run minecraft well or not.
if you want help just send me a private message here on the forums!
accept hes mostly wrong. the only point that's valid is that connection issues plague both systems.
running servers is as easy as downloading an executable and starting it. port forwarding is only needed if you intend to have people connect from outside your network. most people don't.
take it from somebody that has run multiple servers, many of them from his own desktop. in fact my development server, the one i use to test out new server setups before i move them to paid hosts, is on my desktop and is accessible from the internet. the only time servers become complicated is if you choose to run third party mods like craftbukkit.
i know how to do these things because i took 5s to look it up on the internet when i couldn't figure it out. something that "Hurize" clearly does not do when he faces a problem he cant fix.
port forwarding on my router is as simple as this:
access my router by typing its ip into any browser (in this case its: http://192.168.0.1)
enter my user name and password. (if you cant figure yours out look on the back of any router for info on how to reset it)
click on advance settings
click on port forwarding
adjust the settings as needed
hit save.
wait 5s for the router to restart and i am good to go.
if you intend to play on a local network only then there is no need to port forward. the only reason that you should have to port forward on a local net is if somehow your router was designed for professional networking admins. or you intentionally went in and set your router to behave this way, which would then mean that you have all the expertise to port forward properly, thus having no reason to complain about port forwarding.
and lets face it, most people that run their own server host it only on their local net with their friends on the same network. Hurize must not have any friends that are willing to go over to his house if he has to port forward to play with others.
as for his statement that only gaming rigs can play minecraft hes dead wrong. the only pc's that should not be used for minecraft are pcs with cpu speeds less then 1.8ghz. so basically if you pc is anything other then a netbook, then you should be fine. just remember that like any other pc game, not every pc may be able to run it on max settings.
the bottom line is this:
we have had networking devices for decades now. there is at least 2 pc's per us home on average. there is no reason in this computer driven age that people do not know how to perform the basics of computer operations. this includes port forwarding. this is really simple stuff.
My thing about servers had nothing to do with my pros/cons about the PC and Xbox version. I was just sharing my opinion on what someone had said earlier in the thread.
My pros/cons talk was....
Minecraft Xbox 360 Edition gives a stable 60 fps playing with 8 people. The outdated Xbox version will be update to match the PC. There will be skins and probably texture packs. Mods might even see the light of day on the Xbox in some form or another.
Things like mods, skins, texture packs, and big servers ( hundreds of people even) are all a preference on the PC. They aren't required or even needed for the game to be fun. So that, in my opinion, doesn't make them "pros" for the PC version.
My thing about servers had nothing to do with my pros/cons about the PC and Xbox version. I was just sharing my opinion on what someone had said earlier in the thread.
My pros/cons talk was....
Minecraft Xbox 360 Edition gives a stable 60 fps playing with 8 people. The outdated Xbox version will be update to match the PC. There will be skins and probably texture packs. Mods might even see the light of day on the Xbox in some form or another.
Things like mods, skins, texture packs, and big servers ( hundreds of people even) are all a preference on the PC. They aren't required or even needed for the game to be fun. So that, in my opinion, doesn't make them "pros" for the PC version.
lol don't sweat it. i apparently cant read. i completely thought that youy post was by hurize. this is what happens when you try to post things at 5am!
as far as mods and texture packs go, i don't think its going to be as easy or free as it is on pc. in fact i imagine texture packs are gonna cost some coin for anything decent. mods on the other hand, probably not going to happen. microsoft is quite anal about third party anything that they haven't directly approved and a mod wouldnt be worth anything if microsoft got to say what it could or couldn't do.
buying a pc for minecraft is not to hard. all you need is to meet these three requirements:
cpu speed should be higher then 2.0ghz and if possible have more then one core.
ram should 4gb or higher.
and the video card should be a model that is no older then 1 year.
ie: if you see a pc and it states what graphics card model it has, look that model up in google and see when it was released. anything made within the past year (as of the time you are looking at the pc, not of this writing) is almost certain to run it without problem.
also, if you would like help buying a PC for gaming, i can point you in the right direction. i build pc's as a hobby and can tell based on specs weather a pc will be able to run minecraft well or not.
if you want help just send me a private message here on the forums!
Haha thanks! I already got some help from some pretty nice people that helped me find a custom build for $720, I would like your opinion, here is a link to the thread i made a while, i'm just trying to get the most bang for my buck for 700 dollars:http://www.minecraft...__fromsearch__1
I just got the PC version after being a new player of the Xbox 360 version, and I have to say I'm a bit disappointed in the PC version! Mostly it's for technical problems, but also for a couple of gameplay issues which I'll explain.
First of all, RUNNING THE GAME:
Xbox 360: The game runs at 60fps without a hitch, and you know it's been coded to perfection in C++ to run specifically on Xbox 360, so you don't have to worry about a thing.
PC: I guess Java sucks. I'm having problems. My PC can handle games like Crysis, yet Minecraft rarely hits 60fps. I can't press F11 to go into fullscreen mode (which would give better performance than playing windowed on the desktop) -- pressing F11 makes the screen go black and then the game crashes. Worst of all, after about 10 mins of play the game starts freezing constantly for a few seconds each time. I think something is up with the way Java uses the graphics card... or rather doesn't use it.
I've tried everything you could suggest, although I'm not techie so I can't do any command line stuff. I uninstalled and reinstalled latest nvidia drivers; uninstalled and reinstalled Java v7u4; played with fresh clean minecraft.jar; played with Optifine mod to have more graphical control; tried setting the graphics really low. Screw this hassle.
TERRAIN GENERATION:
Xbox 360: Great map (albeit too small). Mostly grassland and trees, with the occasional desert and beach, rolling hills everywhere and the occasional big cliff. Everywhere has potential to settle and build. Love it.
PC: What the hell? The terrain is awful! I can't find a single biome in which to settle and build. Jungles are everywhere -- they are useless to live in and they take my fps down to 30. Then totally flat grassland, totally flat snow forest, totally flat desert, or huge vertical cliff biomes. I tried a few new worlds and they were all just as bad. It's great having an endless map to explore, but it's all such severe biomes and I don't want to settle and build anywhere.
MODDING:
Xbox 360: Nothing, obviously. Big disadvantage.
PC: While the damn thing worked, I took the opportunity to use 32x32 textures which made things look nicer. You can change your skin. You can change pretty much everything. Don't like the loud rain? Optifine has a setting to turn weather off.
GAMEPLAY ADVANCEMENT:
Xbox 360: Well, it's the simple neat 1.6 beta. I quite like the simplicity, but I would probably want some of the advancements if I cared more about adventuring than building.
PC: There's a lot more to do, but I didn't get far enough to see any of it. The only difference I noticed was the hunger bar and endermen. If the game worked properly I'm sure I'd investigate potions and enchanting, etc. What's the point of abandoned mines? I found one and it looked so randomly generated that it wasn't worth following.
CRAFTING:
Xbox 360: Nice simple list of everything you can make, very convenient.
PC: "But the fun of Minecraft is figuring things out for yourself!" Oh please. Perhaps the first people who tried the Alpha enjoyed learning recipes on the crafting grid, but everyone since then just ALT+TABs to the Wiki whenever they can't remember a recipe. Let's cut out the middleman.
Haha thanks! I already got some help from some pretty nice people that helped me find a custom build for $720, I would like your opinion, here is a link to the thread i made a while, i'm just trying to get the most bang for my buck for 700 dollars:http://www.minecraft...__fromsearch__1
in my humble opinion i wouldn't buy any of the rigs they listed for 700. all of them were very under powered, even the one with the radeon 6870. that and they all wanted you to get i3's, which as far as intels go is severally lacking in performance power. there is so much more you could do with $700.
so for the sake of your well earned $$, i have assembled my recommended build for 700:
all the parts listed are 100% comaptible with each other, and you can mix and match based on what you want to spend. the green labelled parts are my recommended picks if there are multiple options under a category. but again, all these parts are compatible and any one of them will be far better options then the parts suggested on that other thread.
in my humble opinion i wouldn't buy any of the rigs they listed for 700. all of them were very under powered, even the one with the radeon 6870. that and they all wanted you to get i3's, which as far as intels go is severally lacking in performance power. there is so much more you could do with $700.
so for the sake of your well earned $$, i have assembled my recommended build for 700:
all the parts listed are 100% comaptible with each other, and you can mix and match based on what you want to spend. the green labelled parts are my recommended picks if there are multiple options under a category. but again, all these parts are compatible and any one of them will be far better options then the parts suggested on that other thread.
price assuming you chose the recommended parts highlighted in green: $701.93 (note: price does not include shipping.)
the following parts are optional but just incase you need them here is some decent cheep ones:
hard drive: (optional, if you have your own sata hdd you can use in this pc then you dont need to buy one.)
Western Digital 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s: $74.99: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16822136769
cost with optional parts: 794.91 (again not including shipping.)
and finally, if you need help assembling these parts just let me know, i can walk you threw it!
hoooollyy... Uh.... where do i begin? That's a little over, but if 100 dollars budget makes a really really big difference, then i'll just save for a bit longer. And no offense, but i don't like decisions because i'm so indecisive. I'll just stick with the green parts and nah i don't have a PC, i'm on someone elses laptop or on an Ipod most of the time on here. Appreciate your help, thanks
PC Con: It has created fanboy trolls like Corroshiv, who refuses to listen to balanced logic because he refuses to accept his opinion could ever be wrong. And if you try to convince him of that he will start flaming like an adolescent 14 year old.
Xbox Pro: You're never likely to bump into Corroshiv whilst playing
This is the worst case you can get,RRoD/overheat while you are building a huge building and the world is unsaved.
UPDATE:Thats why I go for the pc version
jack324, on 26 May 2012 - 07:12 AM, said:
lol don't sweat it. i apparently cant read. i completely thought that youy post was by hurize. this is what happens when you try to post things at 5am!
as far as mods and texture packs go, i don't think its going to be as easy or free as it is on pc. in fact i imagine texture packs are gonna cost some coin for anything decent. mods on the other hand, probably not going to happen. microsoft is quite anal about third party anything that they haven't directly approved and a mod wouldnt be worth anything if microsoft got to say what it could or couldn't do.
It doesn't need a good gpu,just make sure your cpu is good at running single threaded programs(The server jar use only 1 core)thus "peformance per core" is importamt.
i don't understand how what your saying here has anything to do with the quoted text. maybe you quoted the wrong post?
at what point did i say one needed a good gpu? at most i said that if you were to build a pc right now, that you should pick a video card no less then a year old. but again thats if your building one. and all cpus are good at running single threads, its how they were all built. its only recently that cpus (x86 based ones anyway) have been able to multithread and use it on programs that support it.
the guidelines i listed earlier for building a pc pertained to a pc used with the client jar, not the server jar.
"performance per core" is not as important as having multiple cores, since your server will be running along side the operating system and sharing all of the pc's resources with it. and also the server jar only uses a single "thread" (not a necessarily a whole core), the amount of threads a core has or is good at using is irrelevant.
lastly, the red ring of death is not in any way minecrafts fault. that's Microsoft selling crapy consoles.
PC Con: It has created fanboy trolls like Corroshiv, who refuses to listen to balanced logic because he refuses to accept his opinion could ever be wrong. And if you try to convince him of that he will start flaming like an adolescent 14 year old.
Xbox Pro: You're never likely to bump into Corroshiv whilst playing
This is the worst case you can get,RRoD/overheat while you are building a huge building and the world is unsaved.
UPDATE:Thats why I go for the pc version
You mean the issue that just doesn't happen anymore? stop playing on first run xboxs friend.
You also have to open up certain ports and such, Just stop bro. I know more than you.
Lmao you don't need to open up any ports etc to play on your own server. Even then you could use upnp if you're smart enough. Ports are only needed for others to connect.
Well.... I put some thought and time into it, and after reading through some pages in the computer forums in that section, i don't know. Because when people would suggest models, they would say either it's a P.O.S. or make your own. which isn't very helpful :/
May add them points
accept hes mostly wrong. the only point that's valid is that connection issues plague both systems.
running servers is as easy as downloading an executable and starting it. port forwarding is only needed if you intend to have people connect from outside your network. most people don't.
take it from somebody that has run multiple servers, many of them from his own desktop. in fact my development server, the one i use to test out new server setups before i move them to paid hosts, is on my desktop and is accessible from the internet. the only time servers become complicated is if you choose to run third party mods like craftbukkit.
i know how to do these things because i took 5s to look it up on the internet when i couldn't figure it out.
and lets face it, most people that run their own server host it only on their local net with their friends on the same network.
the bottom line is this:
we have had networking devices for decades now. there is at least 2 pc's per us home on average. there is no reason in this computer driven age that people do not know how to perform the basics of computer operations. this includes port forwarding. this is really simple stuff.
buying a pc for minecraft is not to hard. all you need is to meet these three requirements:
ie: if you see a pc and it states what graphics card model it has, look that model up in google and see when it was released. anything made within the past year (as of the time you are looking at the pc, not of this writing) is almost certain to run it without problem.
also, if you would like help buying a PC for gaming, i can point you in the right direction. i build pc's as a hobby and can tell based on specs weather a pc will be able to run minecraft well or not.
if you want help just send me a private message here on the forums!
My pros/cons talk was....
Minecraft Xbox 360 Edition gives a stable 60 fps playing with 8 people. The outdated Xbox version will be update to match the PC. There will be skins and probably texture packs. Mods might even see the light of day on the Xbox in some form or another.
Things like mods, skins, texture packs, and big servers ( hundreds of people even) are all a preference on the PC. They aren't required or even needed for the game to be fun. So that, in my opinion, doesn't make them "pros" for the PC version.
lol don't sweat it. i apparently cant read. i completely thought that youy post was by hurize. this is what happens when you try to post things at 5am!
as far as mods and texture packs go, i don't think its going to be as easy or free as it is on pc. in fact i imagine texture packs are gonna cost some coin for anything decent. mods on the other hand, probably not going to happen. microsoft is quite anal about third party anything that they haven't directly approved and a mod wouldnt be worth anything if microsoft got to say what it could or couldn't do.
Haha thanks! I already got some help from some pretty nice people that helped me find a custom build for $720, I would like your opinion, here is a link to the thread i made a while, i'm just trying to get the most bang for my buck for 700 dollars:http://www.minecraft...__fromsearch__1
First of all, RUNNING THE GAME:
Xbox 360: The game runs at 60fps without a hitch, and you know it's been coded to perfection in C++ to run specifically on Xbox 360, so you don't have to worry about a thing.
PC: I guess Java sucks. I'm having problems. My PC can handle games like Crysis, yet Minecraft rarely hits 60fps. I can't press F11 to go into fullscreen mode (which would give better performance than playing windowed on the desktop) -- pressing F11 makes the screen go black and then the game crashes. Worst of all, after about 10 mins of play the game starts freezing constantly for a few seconds each time. I think something is up with the way Java uses the graphics card... or rather doesn't use it.
I've tried everything you could suggest, although I'm not techie so I can't do any command line stuff. I uninstalled and reinstalled latest nvidia drivers; uninstalled and reinstalled Java v7u4; played with fresh clean minecraft.jar; played with Optifine mod to have more graphical control; tried setting the graphics really low. Screw this hassle.
TERRAIN GENERATION:
Xbox 360: Great map (albeit too small). Mostly grassland and trees, with the occasional desert and beach, rolling hills everywhere and the occasional big cliff. Everywhere has potential to settle and build. Love it.
PC: What the hell? The terrain is awful! I can't find a single biome in which to settle and build. Jungles are everywhere -- they are useless to live in and they take my fps down to 30. Then totally flat grassland, totally flat snow forest, totally flat desert, or huge vertical cliff biomes. I tried a few new worlds and they were all just as bad. It's great having an endless map to explore, but it's all such severe biomes and I don't want to settle and build anywhere.
MODDING:
Xbox 360: Nothing, obviously. Big disadvantage.
PC: While the damn thing worked, I took the opportunity to use 32x32 textures which made things look nicer. You can change your skin. You can change pretty much everything. Don't like the loud rain? Optifine has a setting to turn weather off.
GAMEPLAY ADVANCEMENT:
Xbox 360: Well, it's the simple neat 1.6 beta. I quite like the simplicity, but I would probably want some of the advancements if I cared more about adventuring than building.
PC: There's a lot more to do, but I didn't get far enough to see any of it. The only difference I noticed was the hunger bar and endermen. If the game worked properly I'm sure I'd investigate potions and enchanting, etc. What's the point of abandoned mines? I found one and it looked so randomly generated that it wasn't worth following.
CRAFTING:
Xbox 360: Nice simple list of everything you can make, very convenient.
PC: "But the fun of Minecraft is figuring things out for yourself!" Oh please. Perhaps the first people who tried the Alpha enjoyed learning recipes on the crafting grid, but everyone since then just ALT+TABs to the Wiki whenever they can't remember a recipe. Let's cut out the middleman.
in my humble opinion i wouldn't buy any of the rigs they listed for 700. all of them were very under powered, even the one with the radeon 6870. that and they all wanted you to get i3's, which as far as intels go is severally lacking in performance power. there is so much more you could do with $700.
so for the sake of your well earned $$, i have assembled my recommended build for 700:
all the parts listed are 100% comaptible with each other, and you can mix and match based on what you want to spend. the green labelled parts are my recommended picks if there are multiple options under a category. but again, all these parts are compatible and any one of them will be far better options then the parts suggested on that other thread.
the following parts are optional but just incase you need them here is some decent cheep ones:
hard drive: (optional, if you have your own sata hdd you can use in this pc then you dont need to buy one.)
Western Digital 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s: $74.99: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769
dvd drive (optional, if you already have one thats sata you dont need to buy one.)
ASUS 24X DVD Burner $17.99: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204
cost with optional parts: 794.91 (again not including shipping.)
and finally, if you need help assembling these parts just let me know, i can walk you threw it!
hoooollyy... Uh.... where do i begin? That's a little over, but if 100 dollars budget makes a really really big difference, then i'll just save for a bit longer. And no offense, but i don't like decisions because i'm so indecisive. I'll just stick with the green parts and nah i don't have a PC, i'm on someone elses laptop or on an Ipod most of the time on here. Appreciate your help, thanks
Xbox Pro: You're never likely to bump into Corroshiv whilst playing
world is limited to the spawn map radius
only 5 biomes
i don't understand how what your saying here has anything to do with the quoted text. maybe you quoted the wrong post?
at what point did i say one needed a good gpu? at most i said that if you were to build a pc right now, that you should pick a video card no less then a year old. but again thats if your building one. and all cpus are good at running single threads, its how they were all built. its only recently that cpus (x86 based ones anyway) have been able to multithread and use it on programs that support it.
the guidelines i listed earlier for building a pc pertained to a pc used with the client jar, not the server jar.
"performance per core" is not as important as having multiple cores, since your server will be running along side the operating system and sharing all of the pc's resources with it. and also the server jar only uses a single "thread" (not a necessarily a whole core), the amount of threads a core has or is good at using is irrelevant.
lastly, the red ring of death is not in any way minecrafts fault. that's Microsoft selling crapy consoles.
i assume you are referring to the xbox version?
wow... somebody need a hug?
You mean the issue that just doesn't happen anymore? stop playing on first run xboxs friend.
exactly! its crazy that people still use these!
Lmao you don't need to open up any ports etc to play on your own server. Even then you could use upnp if you're smart enough. Ports are only needed for others to connect.