Depends what your definition of "for no reason" is.
The way i see it, getting banned from one server, well, maybe I'd give you another chance.
But more than that and its you who ****ed up, not the admins.
By the way, I'm preemptively banning you from my server, just in case. (i don't use mcbans, but you come across as a bad egg.
Depends what your definition of "for no reason" is.
The way i see it, getting banned from one server, well, maybe I'd give you another chance.
But more than that and its you who ****ed up, not the admins.
By the way, I'm preemptively banning you from my server, just in case. (i don't use mcbans, but you come across as a bad egg.
This seems like a "For No Reason" ban, you don't even know if he is a good player. I don't like MCBans, I don't use it, but I don't ban people who I have not seen. I give them a chance. You are a bit harsh I would say.
yes, I agree there are a lot of shitty admins, but dont blame the plugin blame the abuser, My server uses this plugin as a guidline, thats how it's supposed to be used, not as an insta-ban helper, but somthing to say "this guy might be trouble" it's like a sixth sence. If you dont like it, dont use it, simple as that.
Personally, I hate it because I get on a new server that I think I'll really like, then almost immediately an admin sidles up to me (figuratively) and says,
"Oh, it says here you were banned on random # of servers... for no reason... well, you're banned here too fag"
This is why I hate it.
Well I'll tell you my story.
MC Banned a year ago AFTER leaving a server(so... no message I was banned)
NEVER went back to server so never knew I was banned(So no trying to log back on means no messages from a server if you never go back)
one year later I log into a new server and am banned
says goto MCBans so I do
Look up my name and find out I was banned a year ago after playing on a server once and never returning.
disputes can only be 2 months old.
This was a year ago.
In short, its a wreakless and sloppy method of handling players. Any servers that implement MC Bans are lazy and dont know how to admin. Nor do the yinvestigate the tool they are implementing or else they would learn about these flaws and other flaws with MC Bans.
Personally I would agree with Mojang if they were to demand MC Bans taken down. You cant have a community wreaklessly strong arming your player base. Let alone a community that doesnt answer to you and that you are not managing.
I'm not really a fan of MCBans either. I always play on non-MCBans servers anyways.
Agreed. I see MC Bans and its usually a sign of laziness and bad admining. Its typically a desperate attempt to fix a problem on their server that is at the administration level. Not a good sign.
MCBan's concept is nice to have, like a rap sheet that you can look at and say "Okay, they have this following them" but the way it is set up is what causes issues. It needs a much better system that is not so ruining to a player's rep. And those that get banned from alot of servers from 1 ban, I think it is set up so that only happens if you get banned alot...
If MCBans was to be more of a info system than a banning system, I would believe it to be much more acceptable than the way it is now, which is why people hate it so much.
I have not used it before, and not been on a server that uses it. I rely on my own hand-made plugins to do my defenses and trust that more than this.
MCBan's concept is nice to have, like a rap sheet that you can look at and say "Okay, they have this following them" but the way it is set up is what causes issues. It needs a much better system that is not so ruining to a player's rep. And those that get banned from alot of servers from 1 ban, I think it is set up so that only happens if you get banned alot...
If MCBans was to be more of a info system than a banning system, I would believe it to be much more acceptable than the way it is now, which is why people hate it so much.
I have not used it before, and not been on a server that uses it. I rely on my own hand-made plugins to do my defenses and trust that more than this.
MCBan's concept is nice to have, like a rap sheet that you can look at and say "Okay, they have this following them" but the way it is set up is what causes issues. It needs a much better system that is not so ruining to a player's rep. And those that get banned from alot of servers from 1 ban, I think it is set up so that only happens if you get banned alot...
If MCBans was to be more of a info system than a banning system, I would believe it to be much more acceptable than the way it is now, which is why people hate it so much.
I have not used it before, and not been on a server that uses it. I rely on my own hand-made plugins to do my defenses and trust that more than this.
I agree completely. In my case(as mentioned above) I was shocked to find out that I was banned a year after it happened, and even more shocked that they have no method of appealing them if its more then 2 month. Its must be run by kids Im guessing... probably college age, its a good concept, but just sloppily executed enough that its probably kids much older then college age.
I agree completely. In my case(as mentioned above) I was shocked to find out that I was banned a year after it happened, and even more shocked that they have no method of appealing them if its more then 2 month. Its must be run by kids Im guessing... probably college age, its a good concept, but just sloppily executed enough that its probably kids much older then college age.
I would not say college kids are that young and not knowledgeable the way you are making them to be. I am a freshman in college, but yeah, there are some that just have no idea what they are doing.
If MCBans was to get a complete re-do or someone made their own plugin that picked up the issues with MCBans, then that would change things alot. I would try to, but I just don't have the time, money, or energy to try something so large.
it kinda sucks cuz if someone googled your name and you werent very famous over the internet, they would clearly see you have been banned a server, which could make other people have less respect for you
I would not say college kids are that young and not knowledgeable the way you are making them to be. I am a freshman in college, but yeah, there are some that just have no idea what they are doing.
If MCBans was to get a complete re-do or someone made their own plugin that picked up the issues with MCBans, then that would change things alot. I would try to, but I just don't have the time, money, or energy to try something so large.
Fair enough. I just have a little less respect for how carefully thought out my college buddies think things through. They have great ideas, but they dont want to work on it once we finish stuff. Its like 'guys, we are getting complaints about this and it is an area we can work on' and they just say something about the person that commented doesnt know what they are talking about and never improve the stuff we make. Just one reason I stopped working with them and work with people that have graduated.
Anyway, your right, not everyone in college is like this. :tongue.gif: I shouldnt throw a blanket comment. Maybe MCBans is being run by my college buddies! :smile.gif:
it kinda sucks cuz if someone googled your name and you werent very famous over the internet, they would clearly see you have been banned a server, which could make other people have less respect for you
Its not fair true. And I think your getting at people could have grounds for defamation of character lawsuits. But for that to happen, they would (A)need to be open about their RL name, (B)need to be falsely banned, (C)prove their name in the MCBans database caused them some form of financial loss, then (D)actually be will to sue and get nothing out of it cause MCBans has no real assests and considering how most gamer plugin sites are run, is probably not even properly registered as an entity.
So I guess yeah, its wrong, but unless someone or Mojang is willing to fight it for no real gain, MCBans wont come down from that.
I really think Mojang needs to step in and ask them to stop using the Minecraft name unless they fix their blind discrimination of MC multi-players.
the other 1/10 were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I got Minecraft under a month ago, first server I went to I got a ban from.
In some ice maze, server goes off line then comes back on and I am in the same place.
Some other chap breaks glass in a straight line to get out and water floods in and takes me off and I start drowning.
As normal mouse config for me is walk and shoot, I go (try) walking in a panic and break about 4 cubes of ice and got a ban.
If that is the way servers are ran, minecraft is not for me.
OH btw, this server says is allows pvp griefing &mobs....
I stopped using it because the MCBans staff were interfering with my server's local bans, plus it was going offline every day or two for hours on end.
Just for reference, the Disputes where MCBans staff removed local bans are: here, and here. None of them were global, all were either temporary or local.
Don't get all sarcy with me, you said "When I logged into a new server I was banned", implying when you attempted to log in you couldn't because you were banned from it, which must either mean you had connected to it in the past and been banned for doing something, or you're talking out your ass
Let me help you with a little clarification then. When someone say "one year later I log into a new server and am banned". the word 'new' implies that it is not previously discussed in the context of the subject. So this would be a new server using MCBans. The same banning plugin that was used to ban me on the old server. Or maybe you dont understand that MCBans is a global banning system. Either way I hope one of those helped.
Its ok... you dont need to get defensive. I totally understand that English isn't everyone's first language and I am sensitive to that. :smile.gif: So just to recap:
( A ) MC Bans is global so if banned in one place using MC Bans, can be banned in other servers using MC Bans.
( B ) I was banned after leaving one server over a year ago, and tried to log into a new server(a server I had not been to) and was banned from that.
Depends what your definition of "for no reason" is.
The way i see it, getting banned from one server, well, maybe I'd give you another chance.
But more than that and its you who ****ed up, not the admins.
By the way, I'm preemptively banning you from my server, just in case. (i don't use mcbans, but you come across as a bad egg.
This seems like a "For No Reason" ban, you don't even know if he is a good player. I don't like MCBans, I don't use it, but I don't ban people who I have not seen. I give them a chance. You are a bit harsh I would say.
Well I'll tell you my story.
In short, its a wreakless and sloppy method of handling players. Any servers that implement MC Bans are lazy and dont know how to admin. Nor do the yinvestigate the tool they are implementing or else they would learn about these flaws and other flaws with MC Bans.
Personally I would agree with Mojang if they were to demand MC Bans taken down. You cant have a community wreaklessly strong arming your player base. Let alone a community that doesnt answer to you and that you are not managing.
Its careless and sloppy all around.
Agreed. I see MC Bans and its usually a sign of laziness and bad admining. Its typically a desperate attempt to fix a problem on their server that is at the administration level. Not a good sign.
I just avoid them now knowing what MC Bans is.
If MCBans was to be more of a info system than a banning system, I would believe it to be much more acceptable than the way it is now, which is why people hate it so much.
I have not used it before, and not been on a server that uses it. I rely on my own hand-made plugins to do my defenses and trust that more than this.
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words of wisdom here.
I agree completely. In my case(as mentioned above) I was shocked to find out that I was banned a year after it happened, and even more shocked that they have no method of appealing them if its more then 2 month. Its must be run by kids Im guessing... probably college age, its a good concept, but just sloppily executed enough that its probably kids much older then college age.
I would not say college kids are that young and not knowledgeable the way you are making them to be. I am a freshman in college, but yeah, there are some that just have no idea what they are doing.
If MCBans was to get a complete re-do or someone made their own plugin that picked up the issues with MCBans, then that would change things alot. I would try to, but I just don't have the time, money, or energy to try something so large.
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Fair enough. I just have a little less respect for how carefully thought out my college buddies think things through. They have great ideas, but they dont want to work on it once we finish stuff. Its like 'guys, we are getting complaints about this and it is an area we can work on' and they just say something about the person that commented doesnt know what they are talking about and never improve the stuff we make. Just one reason I stopped working with them and work with people that have graduated.
Anyway, your right, not everyone in college is like this. :tongue.gif: I shouldnt throw a blanket comment. Maybe MCBans is being run by my college buddies! :smile.gif:
Its not fair true. And I think your getting at people could have grounds for defamation of character lawsuits. But for that to happen, they would (A)need to be open about their RL name, (B)need to be falsely banned, (C)prove their name in the MCBans database caused them some form of financial loss, then (D)actually be will to sue and get nothing out of it cause MCBans has no real assests and considering how most gamer plugin sites are run, is probably not even properly registered as an entity.
So I guess yeah, its wrong, but unless someone or Mojang is willing to fight it for no real gain, MCBans wont come down from that.
I really think Mojang needs to step in and ask them to stop using the Minecraft name unless they fix their blind discrimination of MC multi-players.
Sorry I figured when I said "...AFTER leaving a server" it would be implied that I had joined it.
So just for you... I joined, then left, then they banned.
Some other chap breaks glass in a straight line to get out and water floods in and takes me off and I start drowning.
Just for reference, the Disputes where MCBans staff removed local bans are: here, and here. None of them were global, all were either temporary or local.
Let me help you with a little clarification then. When someone say "one year later I log into a new server and am banned". the word 'new' implies that it is not previously discussed in the context of the subject. So this would be a new server using MCBans. The same banning plugin that was used to ban me on the old server. Or maybe you dont understand that MCBans is a global banning system. Either way I hope one of those helped.
Its ok... you dont need to get defensive. I totally understand that English isn't everyone's first language and I am sensitive to that. :smile.gif: So just to recap:
( A ) MC Bans is global so if banned in one place using MC Bans, can be banned in other servers using MC Bans.
( B ) I was banned after leaving one server over a year ago, and tried to log into a new server(a server I had not been to) and was banned from that.
Cheers! :smile.gif: