I'm not being disrespectful here, but it looks like rorax has merely trimmed a few textures from dokucraft and "stitched" them with another set from another texture pack. If you examine some of the textures carefully, this actually looks like the case.
rorax's intention may seem noble, but we should respect doku's view on this remix and other remixes in general, considering the textures in use are derivatives of his own hard work....
Sorry but other than using the furnace, steelblock, glass, and TnT as a base, it is all my own work.
I did not 'Stitch' anything.
If he was respecting the rules he wouldn't have made it and posted the pictures in the first place... therefore we wouldn't be having this discussion in the first place.
With all due respect sir.
But, if you'd support industrialcraft with your texture pack those of us that like IndustrialCraft and your oh so jealously guarded texture packs *which I think I shall cease using due to your attitude although I like the aesthetic* others wouldn't be looking for/making/wanting stuff like this made. I mean it is your intellectual property but come on.
Sorry but other than using the furnace, steelblock, glass, and TnT as a base, it is all my own work.
I did not 'Stitch' anything.
Not forgetting the speaker from the noteblock/jukebox! :wink.gif:
Sorry, what I meant about "stitching" is how certain portions of textures have been pasted onto one another. Yes, you did the work of "pasting" the different textures, but the core artwork is still doku's. In this sense, the "collage", even though put together to form something "new", still uses artwork from an original source.
Once again, I don't mean to disrespect you, but I honestly think you should create your own industrial textures and not use derivatives from original work.
Does no one here know what stealing is? Whether or not he did a good job with the edits is pretty irrelevant, since the original author requested that the textures not be edited/rereleased until they are finished.
Not forgetting the speaker from the noteblock/jukebox! :wink.gif:
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Sorry, what I meant about "stitching" is how certain portions of textures have been pasted onto one another. Yes, you did the work of "pasting" the different textures, but the core artwork is still doku's. In this sense, the "collage", even though put together to form something "new", still uses artwork from an original source.
Once again, I don't mean to disrespect you, but I honestly think you should create your own industrial textures and not use derivatives from original work.
Permission do to so is a different issue, BTW...
excuse me? please don't throw around accusations if you have no idea what you are talking about.
1.that is not the speaker from the note block, that was done by hand.
2.yes some parts are copy pasted which I already clarified why I did that. let me take you on a magical journey. Have you seen the industrial craft default textures? notice how most of them are based on pre-existing textures? chiefly the furnace and steel block? oh my. what is this? I used dokus furnace and steel block. holy crap. consistency batman.
3.there most certainly is copy pasta in the work. what you indicate in the screenshot (apart from the GRILL) is the pillars from the furnace placed onto the steel block, this is used for all the side textures on the devices. I never ever said that I didn't use parts. and as I keep saying I have used them as a BASE for CONSISTENCY because once again I point you back at the industrialcraft mod which does exactly the same thing.
Consistency here is more important that the block being entirely original. I would use a different furnace or a different steel block but unfortunately thats what Doku is using for his furnace and steel block. are you getting the idea now?
4.you throw around "stiched" and "collage" like you watched me put this thing togeather. again. I am sorry to inform you. that other than the base blocks that I used. everything is pixeled by myself.
So if your done throwing around accusations. At this point your being a "fan-boy" your willing to make ridiculous accusations, based on flawed evidence, for someone elses honor. I'm sure Doku is big enough and ugly enough to make his own accusations and defend his own honor. whats that? he hasn't? oh my.
Doku knows exactly what I have and have not used from his sprites, as he knows his sprites intimately.
Again. I have NEVER made this pack available to the public. and yes I do get asked by PM frequently. I will never distribute this pack until permission is given. that was always the intention and always will be the intention and has never been any different.
And as you so aptly pointed out and I time and time again never denied. yes there is dokus work in this. that is why.
dun dun dun
I am waiting for permission. and if it never comes. so be it.
excuse me? please don't throw around accusations if you have no idea what you are talking about.
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1.that is not the speaker from the note block, that was done by hand.
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Yes, the grill has been pixelled in using an image editor, but it is plainly apparent that it is derived from the Dokucraft noteblock/jukebox.
I'm not trying to rile you up; I do actually think you have noble intentions for your Industrial project. If you do get doku's permission (which I think you will eventually), I wish you all the best.
1.) Dokus textures have been used.
2.) Doku doesn't want his textures used in ANYTHING as of yet.
So, that all sums up to, wait till Doku is content with his pack, wait for him to come look at these textures himself, and then wait for a greenlight, instead of trying to get him to approve this before he has even finished his own.
I don't know if Rorax even remembers this topic any more. I checked her profile and found that she recently signed up for Minecraft Middle Earth, which is striving to replicate the environment inthe Tolken series Lord of the Rings. I have enjoyed all of Doku's work, but as this seems not to be maintained any more, I will have to go with out when using IndustrialCraft (almost the entire time I spend on Minecraft).
Oh well. Has anyone tried sending Rorax a PM, by the way?
Oh well. Has anyone tried sending Rorax a PM, by the way?
I have, she did respond. Said something about a proposal later in the day but I haven't received any response. I'm in the process of re-doing all the sprites to the best of my ability, and filling in gaps like the lack of activation sprites, etc. It's actually coming along fairly nicely, I may have something to post within ~1 week. College move in coming up though may put a damper on my output.
:EDIT:
I've talked with Rorax and she said that she's willing to toss the original files my way to continue working on them. However, her internet decided to die (she was able to reply on her phone), so until it returns she can't upload any files. I'll keep working in the meantime - the activation sprites are a pain to get right without looking cheesy.
Sorry but other than using the furnace, steelblock, glass, and TnT as a base, it is all my own work.
I did not 'Stitch' anything.
With all due respect sir.
But, if you'd support industrialcraft with your texture pack those of us that like IndustrialCraft and your oh so jealously guarded texture packs *which I think I shall cease using due to your attitude although I like the aesthetic* others wouldn't be looking for/making/wanting stuff like this made. I mean it is your intellectual property but come on.
You'd think the av was a hint. :tongue.gif:
Not forgetting the speaker from the noteblock/jukebox! :wink.gif:
Sorry, what I meant about "stitching" is how certain portions of textures have been pasted onto one another. Yes, you did the work of "pasting" the different textures, but the core artwork is still doku's. In this sense, the "collage", even though put together to form something "new", still uses artwork from an original source.
Once again, I don't mean to disrespect you, but I honestly think you should create your own industrial textures and not use derivatives from original work.
Permission do to so is a different issue, BTW...
excuse me? please don't throw around accusations if you have no idea what you are talking about.
1.that is not the speaker from the note block, that was done by hand.
2.yes some parts are copy pasted which I already clarified why I did that. let me take you on a magical journey. Have you seen the industrial craft default textures? notice how most of them are based on pre-existing textures? chiefly the furnace and steel block? oh my. what is this? I used dokus furnace and steel block. holy crap. consistency batman.
3.there most certainly is copy pasta in the work. what you indicate in the screenshot (apart from the GRILL) is the pillars from the furnace placed onto the steel block, this is used for all the side textures on the devices. I never ever said that I didn't use parts. and as I keep saying I have used them as a BASE for CONSISTENCY because once again I point you back at the industrialcraft mod which does exactly the same thing.
Consistency here is more important that the block being entirely original. I would use a different furnace or a different steel block but unfortunately thats what Doku is using for his furnace and steel block. are you getting the idea now?
4.you throw around "stiched" and "collage" like you watched me put this thing togeather. again. I am sorry to inform you. that other than the base blocks that I used. everything is pixeled by myself.
So if your done throwing around accusations. At this point your being a "fan-boy" your willing to make ridiculous accusations, based on flawed evidence, for someone elses honor. I'm sure Doku is big enough and ugly enough to make his own accusations and defend his own honor. whats that? he hasn't? oh my.
Doku knows exactly what I have and have not used from his sprites, as he knows his sprites intimately.
Again. I have NEVER made this pack available to the public. and yes I do get asked by PM frequently. I will never distribute this pack until permission is given. that was always the intention and always will be the intention and has never been any different.
And as you so aptly pointed out and I time and time again never denied. yes there is dokus work in this. that is why.
dun dun dun
I am waiting for permission. and if it never comes. so be it.
Yes, the grill has been pixelled in using an image editor, but it is plainly apparent that it is derived from the Dokucraft noteblock/jukebox.
I'm not trying to rile you up; I do actually think you have noble intentions for your Industrial project. If you do get doku's permission (which I think you will eventually), I wish you all the best.
1.) Dokus textures have been used.
2.) Doku doesn't want his textures used in ANYTHING as of yet.
So, that all sums up to, wait till Doku is content with his pack, wait for him to come look at these textures himself, and then wait for a greenlight, instead of trying to get him to approve this before he has even finished his own.
:]
+1
Please please please make it happen? the Glimmar one is poop compared to yours. =P
Oh, and:
BUMP
http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/513093-wip-dokucraft-the-saga-continues-32x/
Your textures are just what we need!
With your permission, I'd like to add them to the customizer I maintain here: http://www.minecraftcustomizer.net/view.php?pack=DokuCraft - The Saga Continues
Please send me a message, email, or post in the thread to let me know if you'd like to be part of our continuation project!
Oh well. Has anyone tried sending Rorax a PM, by the way?
I have, she did respond. Said something about a proposal later in the day but I haven't received any response. I'm in the process of re-doing all the sprites to the best of my ability, and filling in gaps like the lack of activation sprites, etc. It's actually coming along fairly nicely, I may have something to post within ~1 week. College move in coming up though may put a damper on my output.
:EDIT:
I've talked with Rorax and she said that she's willing to toss the original files my way to continue working on them. However, her internet decided to die (she was able to reply on her phone), so until it returns she can't upload any files. I'll keep working in the meantime - the activation sprites are a pain to get right without looking cheesy.
are u the same Rorax on the forge server? if you are realy like your builds and what could happen if you did realse this textue when u wernt aloud ?