The 'intention' of DRM was to have a way for developers to prevent duplication of digital data. But, the reality of this is that digital data, by its nature HAS to be able to be duplicated (RAM, Write/Read, ect). Since this obviously failed, companies instead began using the DRM to control the number of authorized installations, or to record and store records of the computer this software, was being used on in order to prevent unauthorized duplication. Several DRM systems even went as far as permanently disabling various pieces of hardware to prevent copying of data (See SecureROM). Most of this was done without the user being informed, and usually in a way where the user has no other option but use this additional software; or in the case of information tracking go through some complicated process of opting out of this 'service' of providing mandatory reporting or requesting their information be cleared.
What Notch is suggesting is the later part of this. In particular, an aspect of the program which people are automatically participating in unless they manually opt out. An aspect which requires the program to repeatedly report back data about what it is doing. Just because other programs, and even websites, do this as well doesn't mean it is right, or that it is universally appreciated, regardless of the result.
Regardless.
Voluntary polling just ignores all these issues entirely, and can be much more focused.
i don't see what the big deal is. with notch being anti-sopa, i'm surprised people are reacting to it like he is. the data is anonymous and it'll be used to help mojang find out how people play the game. who knows how helpful that can be for future updates. who cares if they're gathering information while you play, it won't affect gameplay.
i don't see what the big deal is. with notch being anti-sopa,
Aside from the more obvious stuff.
Notch is Anti-SOPA and Anti-PIPA because these bills would essentially kill any and all independent projects which might in some, even if unproven, way involve some previous IP... In this case InfiniMiner.
Curse is Anti-SOPA and Anti-PIPA because their entire service is dependent on user content IE. WoW mods.
Then there are the thousands of user made mods for Minecraft which are inspired by or replicate various Intellectual Property of hundreds of companies. Nevermind all the texture packs and skins which use textures taken from other games or resemble trademarked characters.
Nearly every company who also participated in the blackout was companies who were in the same or similar boat. It's not all in the name of "champion of the people", still a VERY bad bill, but don't try to hold any illusions.
And that tweet about Notch caring about people pirating his game was followed up with a statement about "just focusing on paying members". This whole thing is likely just a follow-up to that. A way for him to get information about how people who actually bought the game play. It doesn't however change the fact that the way it is doing this is by forcing users to send that data continually in a way which many gamers are more and more becoming very dubious of because of those companies who might misuse this information for their own profit.
Still have not seen one person present proof that this sort of data collection has ever led to a better game.
I don't want it because of the extra bandwidth usage.
I still want them to actually synchronize your stats though, so if I delete the MC folder it won't destroy my stats.
how will this lead to a better game? you make it sound like once all the data is collected, minecraft will be a completely different game. we don't even know why they want to do something like this. how long did it take to get minecraft to where it is now? the game is nowhere near being complete.
but if they wanted to, they can find out what people play the most and the least, and improve on those features. if people aren't playing creative as much as they imagined, they might add new features to creative to attract players, like new blocks. if people play on peaceful survival, they might add new mobs, new items, or whatever. if they want to attract people to adventure out, they might add new ores or new objectives.
the possibilites are endless what this can help them with. all people would be doing is showing them what people play the most and the least. if you ask me, this should be installed unannounced because people will probably quit playing and who knows how that might effect the data.
Guys, this is going to send a packet of data telling him how long your session has been, what you've been playing on, etc, etc. It's not like he's hacking into your bank account for ****s sake. And it's not like it's going to kick you out if you play offline; hell that's the whole point of OFFLINE MODE, genius.
I fail to see how it matters whether you have to turn this on or have it automatically on then turn it off. Either way you have a choice. People these days.
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By having it initially enabled, it does remove choice since you have to use it once to disable it.
There is no way of knowing yet if anyone has to use it once. It could be a little check box in the launcher before we even log in. You don't know. And even if we did have to log in, is 10 seconds of 'using it" really a big deal? Mountains out of molehills.
I understand why people don't want to use it, but everyone who's against it just seems overly paranoid. Once they Mojang starts recording stuff they aren't supposed to THEN start complaining.
The damage which can be caused because of this is not worth the benefit.
This "damage" you speak is purely speculation; this metadata reporting hasn't even been implemented yet.
I understand why you are concerned about this supposedly-anonymous data collection, but it's certainly not the time to get in an uproar over something you are not even sure of. Mojang is not Valve nor is it EA, and Notch hardly cares if one pirates Minecraft or not.
If and when Mojang does abuse this metadata reporting after it's implemented, then I do agree that people should complain. But there's no reason to now. Notch did state that he would add in an option to opt out, so there should be even less reason to get into a fuss.
Fuuuuck that, I don't want the fatman collecting my data.
Why is it that people like you keep insulting Notch for whatever reason you can dig up? The decision to implement the data collection couldn't possibly be his alone; all of Mojang must have discussed this for some time before Notch's announcement. You are simply trying to kill the messenger.
The 'intention' of DRM was to have a way for developers to prevent duplication of digital data. But, the reality of this is that digital data, by its nature HAS to be able to be duplicated (RAM, Write/Read, ect). Since this obviously failed, companies instead began using the DRM to control the number of authorized installations, or to record and store records of the computer this software, was being used on in order to prevent unauthorized duplication. Several DRM systems even went as far as permanently disabling various pieces of hardware to prevent copying of data (See SecureROM). Most of this was done without the user being informed, and usually in a way where the user has no other option but use this additional software; or in the case of information tracking go through some complicated process of opting out of this 'service' of providing mandatory reporting or requesting their information be cleared.
What Notch is suggesting is the later part of this. In particular, an aspect of the program which people are automatically participating in unless they manually opt out. An aspect which requires the program to repeatedly report back data about what it is doing. Just because other programs, and even websites, do this as well doesn't mean it is right, or that it is universally appreciated, regardless of the result.
Regardless.
Voluntary polling just ignores all these issues entirely, and can be much more focused.
I'm interested to find out where you found the original intentions of DRM from. If you could, could you link to that?
Binary, by design, will produce perfect copies every time it is copied. When the digital signal is turned into a analog one though, that's where problems arise, such as the analog hole, besides the usual limitations that hardware and such impose on it.
DRM is primarily used how you said, as you are correct on that. However, you are wrong in the regard that you are assuming that the "opt-out" process will be complicated. I would just assume that it would be a simple check-box or something. Neither of us can be quite sure of that, but it is best not to hop to the extremes of a situation.
As for the data being sent back, it will be done about every 10 minutes I believe. And while polling could get more concise results, only those who wanted to would poll, leading to skewed results. The information that Mojang is taking is anonymous, and the most confidential piece of information they would get is the operating system, which isn't anything to worry about.
You know, I don't see the problem. It is confidential information and won't be leaked; You personal, private information won't be sent and it will help Mojang by knowing which area of Minecraft to improve. What's wrong with that?
Some of you are thinking too much, in my opinion. Besides, even if Mojang had the intention of scanning your private data, we can't prove that they will do that with the 'proof' that we have.
If it's optional and stays anonymous then it seems fine to include.
As long as it's not on by default, the option to enable could pop up after each update. Anything enabled by default seems like it is relying on lack of information going to the casual player.
This all seems so silly to me. What information could be gathered that could remotely compare to miles of video with commentary and feedback? A few intelligently spent YouTube hours and they will vomit information about how people play the game.
If I had to assume... this is a step toward smarter advertising/marketing not at all game development related.
Holy christ, the amount of rage about this almost made me wonder if Notch specifically wanted to send our usernames and passwords to any amount of illegal websites and torture us all endlessly.
Except you'll be able to opt out of it IF IT HAPPENS and even then Notch said he wouldn't even have a need for your personal information in what he's wanting to do. If i'm actually thinking about this right he wants concrete numbers about how many people do X thing. I guess. Stuff like that.
Also LOL people still being tin-foil-hats about the government spying on us.
Maybe I shouldn't say how printers are currently made to be able to be trackable by the government and any documents printed from them is specifically ID'd to the printer you own.
MAYBE.
The 'intention' of DRM was to have a way for developers to prevent duplication of digital data. But, the reality of this is that digital data, by its nature HAS to be able to be duplicated (RAM, Write/Read, ect). Since this obviously failed, companies instead began using the DRM to control the number of authorized installations, or to record and store records of the computer this software, was being used on in order to prevent unauthorized duplication. Several DRM systems even went as far as permanently disabling various pieces of hardware to prevent copying of data (See SecureROM). Most of this was done without the user being informed, and usually in a way where the user has no other option but use this additional software; or in the case of information tracking go through some complicated process of opting out of this 'service' of providing mandatory reporting or requesting their information be cleared.
What Notch is suggesting is the later part of this. In particular, an aspect of the program which people are automatically participating in unless they manually opt out. An aspect which requires the program to repeatedly report back data about what it is doing. Just because other programs, and even websites, do this as well doesn't mean it is right, or that it is universally appreciated, regardless of the result.
Regardless.
Voluntary polling just ignores all these issues entirely, and can be much more focused.
Aside from the more obvious stuff.
Notch is Anti-SOPA and Anti-PIPA because these bills would essentially kill any and all independent projects which might in some, even if unproven, way involve some previous IP... In this case InfiniMiner.
Curse is Anti-SOPA and Anti-PIPA because their entire service is dependent on user content IE. WoW mods.
Then there are the thousands of user made mods for Minecraft which are inspired by or replicate various Intellectual Property of hundreds of companies. Nevermind all the texture packs and skins which use textures taken from other games or resemble trademarked characters.
Nearly every company who also participated in the blackout was companies who were in the same or similar boat. It's not all in the name of "champion of the people", still a VERY bad bill, but don't try to hold any illusions.
And that tweet about Notch caring about people pirating his game was followed up with a statement about "just focusing on paying members". This whole thing is likely just a follow-up to that. A way for him to get information about how people who actually bought the game play. It doesn't however change the fact that the way it is doing this is by forcing users to send that data continually in a way which many gamers are more and more becoming very dubious of because of those companies who might misuse this information for their own profit.
Still have not seen one person present proof that this sort of data collection has ever led to a better game.
I still want them to actually synchronize your stats though, so if I delete the MC folder it won't destroy my stats.
but if they wanted to, they can find out what people play the most and the least, and improve on those features. if people aren't playing creative as much as they imagined, they might add new features to creative to attract players, like new blocks. if people play on peaceful survival, they might add new mobs, new items, or whatever. if they want to attract people to adventure out, they might add new ores or new objectives.
the possibilites are endless what this can help them with. all people would be doing is showing them what people play the most and the least. if you ask me, this should be installed unannounced because people will probably quit playing and who knows how that might effect the data.
I fail to see how it matters whether you have to turn this on or have it automatically on then turn it off. Either way you have a choice. People these days.
There is no way of knowing yet if anyone has to use it once. It could be a little check box in the launcher before we even log in. You don't know. And even if we did have to log in, is 10 seconds of 'using it" really a big deal? Mountains out of molehills.
I understand why people don't want to use it, but everyone who's against it just seems overly paranoid. Once they Mojang starts recording stuff they aren't supposed to THEN start complaining.
So ridiculous.
Won't a simple poll suffice? Not to mention some data may be inaccurate due to several reasons.
Overgrowth indie game FTW!
It doesn't check anything you do outside of minecraft.
This "damage" you speak is purely speculation; this metadata reporting hasn't even been implemented yet.
I understand why you are concerned about this supposedly-anonymous data collection, but it's certainly not the time to get in an uproar over something you are not even sure of. Mojang is not Valve nor is it EA, and Notch hardly cares if one pirates Minecraft or not.
If and when Mojang does abuse this metadata reporting after it's implemented, then I do agree that people should complain. But there's no reason to now. Notch did state that he would add in an option to opt out, so there should be even less reason to get into a fuss.
Why is it that people like you keep insulting Notch for whatever reason you can dig up? The decision to implement the data collection couldn't possibly be his alone; all of Mojang must have discussed this for some time before Notch's announcement. You are simply trying to kill the messenger.
I'm interested to find out where you found the original intentions of DRM from. If you could, could you link to that?
Binary, by design, will produce perfect copies every time it is copied. When the digital signal is turned into a analog one though, that's where problems arise, such as the analog hole, besides the usual limitations that hardware and such impose on it.
DRM is primarily used how you said, as you are correct on that. However, you are wrong in the regard that you are assuming that the "opt-out" process will be complicated. I would just assume that it would be a simple check-box or something. Neither of us can be quite sure of that, but it is best not to hop to the extremes of a situation.
As for the data being sent back, it will be done about every 10 minutes I believe. And while polling could get more concise results, only those who wanted to would poll, leading to skewed results. The information that Mojang is taking is anonymous, and the most confidential piece of information they would get is the operating system, which isn't anything to worry about.
Some of you are thinking too much, in my opinion. Besides, even if Mojang had the intention of scanning your private data, we can't prove that they will do that with the 'proof' that we have.
As long as it's not on by default, the option to enable could pop up after each update. Anything enabled by default seems like it is relying on lack of information going to the casual player.
Latest MC video (forum link): http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/show-your-creation/videos/lets-plays/2390805
If I had to assume... this is a step toward smarter advertising/marketing not at all game development related.
Except you'll be able to opt out of it IF IT HAPPENS and even then Notch said he wouldn't even have a need for your personal information in what he's wanting to do. If i'm actually thinking about this right he wants concrete numbers about how many people do X thing. I guess. Stuff like that.
Also LOL people still being tin-foil-hats about the government spying on us.
Maybe I shouldn't say how printers are currently made to be able to be trackable by the government and any documents printed from them is specifically ID'd to the printer you own.
MAYBE.
On one hand it could help stop hacked clients, greifing and generally improve gameplay for those who have not so great computers.
However...
This could also be used to spy on people computers and get important infomation.
PS. You'd never use the internet again if you knew how many things are datamining, good intentions and not.
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