Two days ago I came on the server to grab some screenshots of my things that I had put effort into during my time on the server. I came on under a different account to avoid causing any arguments or problems. I kept to myself, and didn't talk to anyone.
What I saw though is truly unfortunate.
I had warped to one of my best builds (/warp chimera), only to find it has been majorly griefed. By an Admin or group of Admins.
I can safely say that it was Admin+ because the majority of it is World Edit. I would like to add that one Admin was added as owner of the protect, and I have a screenshot of this, In case it is required.
Everything was replaced with Glass, and Destroyed.
This is recent, as I had visited it about a week earlier.
While I know my opinion means little to this server now, I would like to ask why my creations are being griefed by the staff. This is a clear abuse of their power (World edit), and the Trust players put in them to uphold the rules they set in place.
Here is a series of Before and After pics:
Warp Zone/Steering Wheel:
Before:
After:
Back of Ship:
Before:
After:
Front of Ship:
Before:
After:
Library/Reading Room:
Before:
After:
Mid-Deck:
Before:
After:
Forecastle:
Before:
After:
Captians Office:
Before:
After:
Meeting Room/ Captians cabin:
Before:
After:
Different View of Cabin:
Before:
After:
Crews Sleeping Quarters:
Before:
After:
Guests Quarters:
Before:
After:
Proof it was World Edit:
Before:
After:
Livemap:
Flat: (Shows it was turned to water and lava)
Two days ago I came on the server to grab some screenshots of my things that I had put effort into during my time on the server. I came on under a different account to avoid causing any arguments or problems. I kept to myself, and didn't talk to anyone.
What I saw though is truly unfortunate.
I had warped to one of my best builds (/warp chimera), only to find it has been majorly griefed. By an Admin or group of Admins.
I can safely say that it was Admin+ because the majority of it is World Edit. I would like to add that one Admin was added as owner of the protect, and I have a screenshot of this, In case it is required.
Everything was replaced with Glass, and Destroyed.
This is recent, as I had visited it about a week earlier.
While I know my opinion means little to this server now, I would like to ask why my creations are being griefed by the staff. This is a clear abuse of their power (World edit), and the Trust players put in them to uphold the rules they set in place.
Here is a series of Before and After pics:
Warp Zone/Steering Wheel:
Before:
After:
Back of Ship:
Before:
After:
Front of Ship:
Before:
After:
Library/Reading Room:
Before:
After:
Mid-Deck:
Before:
After:
Forecastle:
Before:
After:
Captians Office:
Before:
After:
Meeting Room/ Captians cabin:
Before:
After:
Different View of Cabin:
Before:
After:
Crews Sleeping Quarters:
Before:
After:
Guests Quarters:
Before:
After:
Proof it was World Edit:
Before:
After:
Livemap:
Flat: (Shows it was turned to water and lava)
3-D: (Shows lava and stone)
~Devexus
We (I) have been told that you griefed it yourself for fun. The glass was my doing afterward, also for fun. A group of admins had fun with it because it was already griefed to oblivion by who I believed to be you. The plan was to destroy it afterward. No apology is necessary. If you did grief it and are just trying to cause drama, please go home and rethink your life. Otherwise, we don't know who griefed it or at least I don't.
Before I reply, I would like to add that I was asked (Quite coldly) to take this to PM"s. I am declining that 'offer' because last time I went to you guys quietly, my message was filtered, twisted, and parts of it seem to have gone missing.
When its on a serious issue like this we don't want to take any chances of people not getting all the facts.
We (I) have been told that you griefed it yourself for fun. The glass was my doing afterward, also for fun. A group of admins had fun with it because it was already griefed to oblivion by who I believed to be you. The plan was to destroy it afterward. No apology is necessary. If you did grief it and are just trying to cause drama, please go home and rethink your life. Otherwise, we don't know who griefed it or at least I don't.
"The glass was done afterwards, also for fun"
So you admit that you and a group of other users (Admins, Mods and Owner) GRIEFED a non banned players thing for fun?
Now, I haven't been around for about a month, but when I left Griefing was probably the biggest rule, I remember this because I was there, in the skype chat, when we sat down and created the server. Things really have changed it seems.
You guys are admins, it should be your job to uphold the rules that YOU set in place. Not break them and have a wee giggle.
"The plan was to destroy it afterward."
Sooo removing the evidence makes it ok? It was someones creation! It wasn't on anyone's land, it wasnt offensive, I wasn't banned. You have NO RIGHT to touch my things.
"No apology is necessary."
Well that's a bit rude, considering you guys destroyed something I spent months of work on. Something I was proud of. Something that meant things to me.
I would like to add that Demon made a note of not apologising as well; "I believe you've already received an apology from one of the admins involved."
"Did you grief your own boat? If not someone else did and that's pretty serious."
Sooo its serious if someone else griefs my things, but when the staff do, for a lil laugh, its fine? That's hypercritical now isn't it?
"please go home and rethink your life."
Thank you for your concern into my private life, but please mind your own business. I have been rethinking my life lately... about a month ago, when I stepped down as Admin for reasons that the staff are all aware of, but haven't shared with everyone.. funny that.
I have fixed multiple griefed things during my time on Keystone, I have fixed your things as well dangerzone. I can't imagine how hurt you would be if something you had spent months on was griefed and we had simply said "haters gonna hate" and moved on with our lives.
Ignoring the situation will not make it go away, change it, or make it any better.
Since griefing on this server has now been classified as "Fun", and ok if you remove the evidence afterwards, I feel that you should personally unban EVERY user ever accused of Grief, and apologise. That's right, all 6701 accounts should be unbanned. If its ok for Admins, Mods and Owners to grief then it should be ok for everyone to grief as well. Because admins are not exempt from the rules last time I checked. Or maybe that's something else that changed in my absence.
So did you grief it yourself? That was the question. If you didn't, then it's a different story and the thing that makes it serious is the fact that we played around with it in vain. If you griefed it yourself, I don't think demon wants a bunch of griefed crap on the server that can't be restored. I'd just answer the question.
It was designed to be a ghost ship with holes in it.
Even then it gives you no right to touch my things, destroyed so far beyond repair and then say "I don't think demon wants a bunch of griefed crap on the server". (thanks for calling my stuff crap)
I thought I had gotten to know you guys over the 20 months I spent in the community.
Also Im trying to be reasonably polite, and calm. Your hostility isn't appreciated.
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Damn guys, Take it easy.
You know that Devexus contributes alot to this server and he's been nice to everyone. The first problem is that why does you guys WE'd his creation, It was amazingly awesome and was ruined just like that.
It was designed to be a ghost ship with holes in it.
Even then it gives you no right to touch my things, destroyed so far beyond repair and then say "I don't think demon wants a bunch of griefed crap on the server". (thanks for calling my stuff crap)
I thought I had gotten to know you guys over the 20 months I spent in the community.
Also Im trying to be reasonably polite, and calm. Your hostility isn't appreciated.
~Devexus
I highly doubt that you wanted it to be a "ghost ship" that is a cover up. Also what about your hostility? Why keep it in the public view and not in PM's? You must have a reason for everyone to see this. You are not trying to be polite and calm, if you were this would already be over with. Everyone knows that you are a down right liar and that you started this whole thing.
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I support Devexus in this. With all due respect, an admin's job is to keep the server running smoothly and grief-free. You admitted to griefing his boat, and then say no apology is necessary. I have to object to that. The LEAST you could do is accept responsibility, even if it's PARTIAL responsibility, and apologize to him. Just super saiyan.
Hey Keystone, I would like to extend my thanks for allowing me on your server long enough to obtain the trusted rank. I would like to become involved in other constructive plots and communications over skype, TS3 or other if possible.
My IGN is the same as my forum name anyway so look me up if any help is needed .
Hey Keystone, I would like to extend my thanks for allowing me on your server long enough to obtain the trusted rank. I would like to become involved in other constructive plots and communications over skype, TS3 or other if possible.
My IGN is the same as my forum name anyway so look me up if any help is needed .
Thanks guys.
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It's great that you've enjoyed yourself so far!
You're always welcome to join our TS3 server at ts.keymc.me. I can't say it's very well inhabited, but I do know there are a few that like to hang out there!
There is always a countless amount of projects that players are working on. Whether you want to start one yourself or join in with others, it's entirely up to you.
For those of you out there that use Twitter, and want to follow the server, we have a new Twitter page! (https://twitter.com/Keystone_MC) if you followed the old page, you'll need to switch over to this one as the previous one won't be updated anymore.
I highly doubt that you wanted it to be a "ghost ship" that is a cover up. Also what about your hostility? Why keep it in the public view and not in PM's? You must have a reason for everyone to see this. You are not trying to be polite and calm, if you were this would already be over with. Everyone knows that you are a down right liar and that you started this whole thing.
Before I reply, I would like to add that I was asked (Quite coldly) to take this to PM"s. I am declining that 'offer' because last time I went to you guys quietly, my message was filtered, twisted, and parts of it seem to have gone missing.
When its on a serious issue like this we don't want to take any chances of people not getting all the facts.
In a previous circumstance, regarding a number of issues, I messaged one of the people involved, however this message was not entirely relayed to everyone. It was filtered out to suit their own opinions, and twisted to make me seem worse. It turned my friends against me. So you can only imagine that I don't want a similar thing to happen again.
In regards to the Ghost ship, I wasnt aware that I shared my plans with you? In fact I think you'll find that it inspired my Halloween project, the Haunted House:
Also its a bit hard to be as polite and calm as I would like to be considering the circumstances, and I do not know how this could of been resolved any quicker, considering the only thing I have gotten back is slander and rudeness.
I'm the liar? Im sorry, but I think you'll find that the things you heard about me are more lies than truth. Im perfectly willing to share all details regarding what happened in past events, I will even quote skype messages. However the reason I have not done this earlier, is because I have seen no need to start drama, as you seem to think that I'm doing.
Let us get some things laid out. When I, or anyone joins our server, we expect something. That something is this: our status quo, which includes a friendly atmosphere, friends and/or friendly players, and a goal of reaching our minecraft goals, whether it is a building project, a resource quota, depending on which server you frequent perhaps. It is a duty of anyone, not just the staff, to maintain that status quo by exercising any power they might have.
So I plan to fulfill that duty. Given I am an admin, I have a great amount of tools available to make sure our servers' status quo is maintained. Most issues I can readily deal with, being if it has not been already resolved.
When I log in to hear about some drama though, a headache returns. Drama has always been a challenge for most of us here. Every dramatic situation needs a different protocol to solve justly. I cannot refer to a sheet of rules to these sorts of things. This is why I find dramatic tension to be the root of all friendship evils. I refuse to live with a headache. So I will put this here.
Firstly, no one, not even staff, have a right to shred a build of anyone's ownership to a ghost of its former self. I think anyone would be angered if they were to find a battered mess of their project, whether in-progress or ancient. I find we did cross a line that night when Dev's ship was, erm, ship-wrecked. I wrongfully participated in the event by laying out a WE of anvils into the area. If wanted, which I can imagine will be, I will do my part to aid in a clean-up and strip the area of anvils. It seemed funny late that night, but now we are left with a stain on our KS image and a bad hangover. This could have lead to some demotions. I do not want that.
But hold up. This is not a typical sitation, thanks to the known formally as drama. Somewhere along the way, it had to worm its ass into here and make this an atypical situation, and no longer could anyone refer to a book or pamphlet to settle the issue. There is a reason I can imagine why some are perpetuating this madness. A while ago now, you and a group of admins disagreed with how KS was being managed, specifically on the Survival server. That is fine with me. What is not okay is when one continuously abuses his or her influence to get what he/she wants, not what the Owner wants, and start slamming those that he/she finds disagreeable with slander. No leader of any sort does those sorts of things. That ruins the status quo we are all sworn to maintain here. So to maintain it, you and a few others either were ousted, or left by choice, in order to settle it.
Here's the meat of this: you left us by your own decision. I recall quotes mentioning you were gone for good. Well what sort of idea does that give us here? We can only assume you would no longer bother with anything here. So when we defaced your build, you suddenly come crying to this forum about how it was griefed, and that we should not have done such a thing. Well you shouldn't have left us or talked badly about us, dammit!
So I find no other reason for you to be perpetuating the drama that was meant to be settled long ago, except by stirring up trouble and making an attempt to degrade our image, reverting back to your ways before removing yourself seemingly permanently. Being sworn to maintain the status quo of our servers, I will end this now, taking action rather than letting it hover in the hot air. You, Devexus, are now banned from Keystone. For good. The reasoning behind this being drama continuation and slander towards our server and its members. A non-hostile approach to this matter will not counter this, for doing so is also be considered perpetuating the madness. If needed, I will gladly ban ANYONE and their alts who also wish to continue this in the spotlight here. Further messages WILL be done in private messaging, and will not be had here without a harsh, yet just punishment, for disturbing the status quo we are sworn to maintain will NOT be tolerated.
Two days ago I came on the server to grab some screenshots of my things that I had put effort into during my time on the server. I came on under a different account to avoid causing any arguments or problems. I kept to myself, and didn't talk to anyone.
What I saw though is truly unfortunate.
I had warped to one of my best builds (/warp chimera), only to find it has been majorly griefed. By an Admin or group of Admins.
I can safely say that it was Admin+ because the majority of it is World Edit. I would like to add that one Admin was added as owner of the protect, and I have a screenshot of this, In case it is required.
Everything was replaced with Glass, and Destroyed.
This is recent, as I had visited it about a week earlier.
While I know my opinion means little to this server now, I would like to ask why my creations are being griefed by the staff. This is a clear abuse of their power (World edit), and the Trust players put in them to uphold the rules they set in place.
Here is a series of Before and After pics:
Before:
After:
Back of Ship:
Before:
After:
Front of Ship:
Before:
After:
Library/Reading Room:
Before:
After:
Mid-Deck:
Before:
After:
Forecastle:
Before:
After:
Captians Office:
Before:
After:
Meeting Room/ Captians cabin:
Before:
After:
Different View of Cabin:
Before:
After:
Crews Sleeping Quarters:
Before:
After:
Guests Quarters:
Before:
After:
Proof it was World Edit:
Before:
After:
Livemap:
Flat: (Shows it was turned to water and lava)
3-D: (Shows lava and stone)
~Devexus
We (I) have been told that you griefed it yourself for fun. The glass was my doing afterward, also for fun. A group of admins had fun with it because it was already griefed to oblivion by who I believed to be you. The plan was to destroy it afterward. No apology is necessary. If you did grief it and are just trying to cause drama, please go home and rethink your life. Otherwise, we don't know who griefed it or at least I don't.
Best to ignore the lot of them
When its on a serious issue like this we don't want to take any chances of people not getting all the facts.
"The glass was done afterwards, also for fun"
So you admit that you and a group of other users (Admins, Mods and Owner) GRIEFED a non banned players thing for fun?
Now, I haven't been around for about a month, but when I left Griefing was probably the biggest rule, I remember this because I was there, in the skype chat, when we sat down and created the server. Things really have changed it seems.
You guys are admins, it should be your job to uphold the rules that YOU set in place. Not break them and have a wee giggle.
"The plan was to destroy it afterward."
Sooo removing the evidence makes it ok? It was someones creation! It wasn't on anyone's land, it wasnt offensive, I wasn't banned. You have NO RIGHT to touch my things.
"No apology is necessary."
Well that's a bit rude, considering you guys destroyed something I spent months of work on. Something I was proud of. Something that meant things to me.
I would like to add that Demon made a note of not apologising as well; "I believe you've already received an apology from one of the admins involved."
"Did you grief your own boat? If not someone else did and that's pretty serious."
Sooo its serious if someone else griefs my things, but when the staff do, for a lil laugh, its fine? That's hypercritical now isn't it?
"please go home and rethink your life."
Thank you for your concern into my private life, but please mind your own business. I have been rethinking my life lately... about a month ago, when I stepped down as Admin for reasons that the staff are all aware of, but haven't shared with everyone.. funny that.
I have fixed multiple griefed things during my time on Keystone, I have fixed your things as well dangerzone. I can't imagine how hurt you would be if something you had spent months on was griefed and we had simply said "haters gonna hate" and moved on with our lives.
Ignoring the situation will not make it go away, change it, or make it any better.
Since griefing on this server has now been classified as "Fun", and ok if you remove the evidence afterwards, I feel that you should personally unban EVERY user ever accused of Grief, and apologise. That's right, all 6701 accounts should be unbanned. If its ok for Admins, Mods and Owners to grief then it should be ok for everyone to grief as well. Because admins are not exempt from the rules last time I checked. Or maybe that's something else that changed in my absence.
~Devexus
No, justin_bieber stays banned. that ban is non-negotiable >_>
So did you grief it yourself? That was the question. If you didn't, then it's a different story and the thing that makes it serious is the fact that we played around with it in vain. If you griefed it yourself, I don't think demon wants a bunch of griefed crap on the server that can't be restored. I'd just answer the question.
Even then it gives you no right to touch my things, destroyed so far beyond repair and then say "I don't think demon wants a bunch of griefed crap on the server". (thanks for calling my stuff crap)
I thought I had gotten to know you guys over the 20 months I spent in the community.
Also Im trying to be reasonably polite, and calm. Your hostility isn't appreciated.
~Devexus
You know that's not what I meant, that's immature.
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You know that Devexus contributes alot to this server and he's been nice to everyone. The first problem is that why does you guys WE'd his creation, It was amazingly awesome and was ruined just like that.
I highly doubt that you wanted it to be a "ghost ship" that is a cover up. Also what about your hostility? Why keep it in the public view and not in PM's? You must have a reason for everyone to see this. You are not trying to be polite and calm, if you were this would already be over with. Everyone knows that you are a down right liar and that you started this whole thing.
-Russian military doctrine.
I support Devexus in this. With all due respect, an admin's job is to keep the server running smoothly and grief-free. You admitted to griefing his boat, and then say no apology is necessary. I have to object to that. The LEAST you could do is accept responsibility, even if it's PARTIAL responsibility, and apologize to him. Just super saiyan.
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Retired StaffIt's great that you've enjoyed yourself so far!
You're always welcome to join our TS3 server at ts.keymc.me. I can't say it's very well inhabited, but I do know there are a few that like to hang out there!
There is always a countless amount of projects that players are working on. Whether you want to start one yourself or join in with others, it's entirely up to you.
In a previous circumstance, regarding a number of issues, I messaged one of the people involved, however this message was not entirely relayed to everyone. It was filtered out to suit their own opinions, and twisted to make me seem worse. It turned my friends against me. So you can only imagine that I don't want a similar thing to happen again.
In regards to the Ghost ship, I wasnt aware that I shared my plans with you? In fact I think you'll find that it inspired my Halloween project, the Haunted House:
Also its a bit hard to be as polite and calm as I would like to be considering the circumstances, and I do not know how this could of been resolved any quicker, considering the only thing I have gotten back is slander and rudeness.
I'm the liar? Im sorry, but I think you'll find that the things you heard about me are more lies than truth. Im perfectly willing to share all details regarding what happened in past events, I will even quote skype messages. However the reason I have not done this earlier, is because I have seen no need to start drama, as you seem to think that I'm doing.
~Devexus
Let us get some things laid out. When I, or anyone joins our server, we expect something. That something is this: our status quo, which includes a friendly atmosphere, friends and/or friendly players, and a goal of reaching our minecraft goals, whether it is a building project, a resource quota, depending on which server you frequent perhaps. It is a duty of anyone, not just the staff, to maintain that status quo by exercising any power they might have.
So I plan to fulfill that duty. Given I am an admin, I have a great amount of tools available to make sure our servers' status quo is maintained. Most issues I can readily deal with, being if it has not been already resolved.
When I log in to hear about some drama though, a headache returns. Drama has always been a challenge for most of us here. Every dramatic situation needs a different protocol to solve justly. I cannot refer to a sheet of rules to these sorts of things. This is why I find dramatic tension to be the root of all friendship evils. I refuse to live with a headache. So I will put this here.
Firstly, no one, not even staff, have a right to shred a build of anyone's ownership to a ghost of its former self. I think anyone would be angered if they were to find a battered mess of their project, whether in-progress or ancient. I find we did cross a line that night when Dev's ship was, erm, ship-wrecked. I wrongfully participated in the event by laying out a WE of anvils into the area. If wanted, which I can imagine will be, I will do my part to aid in a clean-up and strip the area of anvils. It seemed funny late that night, but now we are left with a stain on our KS image and a bad hangover. This could have lead to some demotions. I do not want that.
But hold up. This is not a typical sitation, thanks to the known formally as drama. Somewhere along the way, it had to worm its ass into here and make this an atypical situation, and no longer could anyone refer to a book or pamphlet to settle the issue. There is a reason I can imagine why some are perpetuating this madness. A while ago now, you and a group of admins disagreed with how KS was being managed, specifically on the Survival server. That is fine with me. What is not okay is when one continuously abuses his or her influence to get what he/she wants, not what the Owner wants, and start slamming those that he/she finds disagreeable with slander. No leader of any sort does those sorts of things. That ruins the status quo we are all sworn to maintain here. So to maintain it, you and a few others either were ousted, or left by choice, in order to settle it.
Here's the meat of this: you left us by your own decision. I recall quotes mentioning you were gone for good. Well what sort of idea does that give us here? We can only assume you would no longer bother with anything here. So when we defaced your build, you suddenly come crying to this forum about how it was griefed, and that we should not have done such a thing. Well you shouldn't have left us or talked badly about us, dammit!
So I find no other reason for you to be perpetuating the drama that was meant to be settled long ago, except by stirring up trouble and making an attempt to degrade our image, reverting back to your ways before removing yourself seemingly permanently. Being sworn to maintain the status quo of our servers, I will end this now, taking action rather than letting it hover in the hot air. You, Devexus, are now banned from Keystone. For good. The reasoning behind this being drama continuation and slander towards our server and its members. A non-hostile approach to this matter will not counter this, for doing so is also be considered perpetuating the madness. If needed, I will gladly ban ANYONE and their alts who also wish to continue this in the spotlight here. Further messages WILL be done in private messaging, and will not be had here without a harsh, yet just punishment, for disturbing the status quo we are sworn to maintain will NOT be tolerated.