Quick buyer's guide for people looking to purchase electronics. Don't turn this into a brand war people, just a basic guide of what brands are bad.
Good - Good for everyday use, there may be better options but generally great overall.
Okay - Fine, it'll get the job done.
Nay - Avoid at all costs unless exceptions are given.
- Dell (exception - workstation IPS monitors and high-end products)
- HP (exception - some non-consumer-grade products and high-end products)
- Alienware
- iBuyPower
- CyberPower
- Apple (don't recommend, very overpriced)
- Chillblast
- PCSpecialist
- Asus
- Lenovo
- Sager
- Toshiba
- Skullcandies
- Beats
- Sennheiser
- Biostar (very cheap parts used, some expensive models may have better quality though)
- Foxconn (Chinese sweatshops & quality may be iffy)
- Thortech (PSUs)
- Logisys (PSUs)
- Raidmax
- Sharkoon
- Apevia
- Apex (PSUs, cases are usually fine)
- Athena
- Brodway
- FSP
- ToPower
- XClio
- Jaton
- Diablotek (PSUs)
- Coolmax
- Corsair (exceptions - Builder Series gen1)
- Seasonic (VERY high quality PSUs)
- Antec (usually rebranded Seasonic, sometimes cheaper)
- Silverstone (Expensive, but good.)
- PC Power and Cooling (Expensive, but good PSUs.)
- Monster Cable (overly expensive cables, etc.)
- Viewsonic (CRTs at least)
Again, this is NOT intended to be a brand war. Do NOT turn it into one.
I've noticed an inverse correlation between the amount of advertising a company does and the quality of its products. The only reason why Dell/HP/Apple/etc. dominate the market, not Lenovo/Sager/MSI/etc. is because the former set of companies advertise 24/7, and prey on the technological illiteracy of their potential customers.
Monster Cable. They were the original owners of Beats, and still try to sell same-quality stuff for 50X (literally) the price. It's just mundane stuff, like power strips and HDMI cables.
-Hitachi. Their hard drives are more than likely to fail in weeks/months.
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Taking issue with these. While Athena Power's PSUs can't be trusted, they make an amazing variety basic cables and adapters that work fine. FSP makes great PSUs. Azza makes cases that I find pretty fugly, but cool mostly fine, but they do indeed have [profanity="[profanity="shit"]"]ty PSUs.
Monster Cable. They were the original owners of Beats, and still try to sell same-quality stuff for 50X (literally) the price. It's just mundane stuff, like power strips and HDMI cables.
So much wrong in this thread. For one I defend Logisys with their fans, these 120mm blue LED fans, I have had them for like 3~ years constant going and they now just finally dying, paid 7 USD each and own 6 of them. While fans are good, PSU maybe not. Thread is like a black list, honestly shouldnt be.
Just cause a company makes 1 bad thing or product line, another product line may be awesome.
ECS is not all that bad, tier up from Biostar imo. Which isnt bad either, they are ok at time and depends what one gets.
Want to make a good thread on black listed products, dont bash the manufactures, put what products to NOT buy from them instead making a cheesy lazy list of the company/manufature names.
They are one of the best screen manufactures for TN panels.
I recommended them on my monitor guide for a reason they have a great dead pixel policy while its not a zero tolerance its a lot better then any of the other budget TN panel manufactures.
ADATA is fine they are the second largest flash memory producer and a lot of other companies slap their label on them.
Be sure to mention that Dell monitors can be pretty good, and Hitachi makes a good 4tb drive as far as I know.
Dells only good monitors are the workstation IPS panels.
Hitachi = Western Digital
The reason recently WD quality dropped was they were most damaged by the floods and they moved a lot of manufacturing to the Hitachi plants. They are basically WD crap drivers they do not want to risk their names on.
Biostar motherboards are just cheap, the case fan headers normally have no speed regulation, the dimm sockets and pcb are typically very flimsy and "cheap" feeling, and the BIOS is known for being very odd, not great for overclockers. Biostar isn't "bad" but it is generally worth spending the extra 5 dollars or so on a board from a reputable brand like gigabyte, msi, etc.
I've personally owned 1 Dell desktop, 4 Dell laptops, and a CyberPower desktop. I've also worked in an IT department at a gaming center (at a college) where I serviced over 60 Dell desktops in the labs, and I have a Dell laptop at my current job.
My personal Dell desktop (2002) and one of the laptops (2003) were just fine for their usable life. Two of the other laptops (2009) were first-gen Minis and they still get use on occation.
The other Dell laptop (from 2008) got me through college and played Crysis 1 and many other games wonderfully. I still use it on occation when my friend comes over to play Minecraft and Rainbow 6 Vegas 2. Absolutely no complaints.
CyberPower may be expensive but it uses the same parts you would if you went out and built it yourself.
My Minecraft server has an Apevia case and an Apevia power supply. No complaints.
I haven't had a Raidmax PSU, but I've had a Raidmax case for the past 6 years.
Instead of bad companies, how about bad/iffy/faulty products, because a company can be good manufacturing one thing, yet absolutely horrible at another thing. And saying that one company is bad/makes bad products is like saying that any manufacturer in the world is terrible, because they have had at least one flop in products.
Good - Good for everyday use, there may be better options but generally great overall.
Okay - Fine, it'll get the job done.
Nay - Avoid at all costs unless exceptions are given.
- Dell (exception - workstation IPS monitors and high-end products)
- HP (exception - some non-consumer-grade products and high-end products)
- Alienware
- iBuyPower
- CyberPower
- Apple (don't recommend, very overpriced)
- Chillblast
- PCSpecialist
- Asus
- Lenovo
- Sager
- Toshiba
- Skullcandies
- Beats
- Sennheiser
- Biostar (very cheap parts used, some expensive models may have better quality though)
- Foxconn (Chinese sweatshops & quality may be iffy)
- Thortech (PSUs)
- Logisys (PSUs)
- Raidmax
- Sharkoon
- Apevia
- Apex (PSUs, cases are usually fine)
- Athena
- Brodway
- FSP
- ToPower
- XClio
- Jaton
- Diablotek (PSUs)
- Coolmax
- Corsair (exceptions - Builder Series gen1)
- Seasonic (VERY high quality PSUs)
- Antec (usually rebranded Seasonic, sometimes cheaper)
- Silverstone (Expensive, but good.)
- PC Power and Cooling (Expensive, but good PSUs.)
- Monster Cable (overly expensive cables, etc.)
- Viewsonic (CRTs at least)
Again, this is NOT intended to be a brand war. Do NOT turn it into one.
Edit: Gheart has taken over from me, the thread is now located at http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1513853-list-of-electronic-products-not-to-buy/
why not skullcandy?
sorry just curious
here ill add
Ultra
ECS
diablotek
logisys
Other brands:
Thortech
Logisys
Raidmax
Sharkoon
Apevia
Apex
Athena
Azza
Brodway
FSP
ToPower
XClio
Jaton
Honestly most of those brands are PSU brands that I found on pcpartpicker and have never heard of.
Taking issue with these. While Athena Power's PSUs can't be trusted, they make an amazing variety basic cables and adapters that work fine. FSP makes great PSUs. Azza makes cases that I find pretty fugly, but cool mostly fine, but they do indeed have [profanity="[profanity="shit"]"]ty PSUs.
We also ought to add PSU brands that aren't Corsair, Antec, CoolerMaster, etc.
Anyway, here you go:
Biostar
A-data
Viewsonic
Ehhhh most of the obvious ones have already been said.
*cough* Monster Turbine Coppers rock *cough*
Thinking about coming a mod to simply not moderate.
Just cause a company makes 1 bad thing or product line, another product line may be awesome.
ECS is not all that bad, tier up from Biostar imo. Which isnt bad either, they are ok at time and depends what one gets.
Want to make a good thread on black listed products, dont bash the manufactures, put what products to NOT buy from them instead making a cheesy lazy list of the company/manufature names.
Yeah that's a good way to judge stuff.
What what.
They are one of the best screen manufactures for TN panels.
I recommended them on my monitor guide for a reason they have a great dead pixel policy while its not a zero tolerance its a lot better then any of the other budget TN panel manufactures.
ADATA is fine they are the second largest flash memory producer and a lot of other companies slap their label on them.
Dells only good monitors are the workstation IPS panels.
Hitachi = Western Digital
The reason recently WD quality dropped was they were most damaged by the floods and they moved a lot of manufacturing to the Hitachi plants. They are basically WD crap drivers they do not want to risk their names on.
start by clarifying whether the entire company is good/bad or a certain product within that company
This means the product is good, go ahead and buy it if you are looking at it.
This means you should avoid it.
This means the quality is iffy [explain what and why] [I'd use yellow if it was readable]
examples
Alienware
Asus
Seagate [their current batch of Barracuda's are cheap china made ones, the ones from Thailand (IIRC that's where the good ones come from) are fine]
Exactly.
I've personally owned 1 Dell desktop, 4 Dell laptops, and a CyberPower desktop. I've also worked in an IT department at a gaming center (at a college) where I serviced over 60 Dell desktops in the labs, and I have a Dell laptop at my current job.
My personal Dell desktop (2002) and one of the laptops (2003) were just fine for their usable life. Two of the other laptops (2009) were first-gen Minis and they still get use on occation.
The other Dell laptop (from 2008) got me through college and played Crysis 1 and many other games wonderfully. I still use it on occation when my friend comes over to play Minecraft and Rainbow 6 Vegas 2. Absolutely no complaints.
CyberPower may be expensive but it uses the same parts you would if you went out and built it yourself.
My Minecraft server has an Apevia case and an Apevia power supply. No complaints.
I haven't had a Raidmax PSU, but I've had a Raidmax case for the past 6 years.