Hey guys! I really need help on this because this is whats up. My computer isn't the best for running minecraft WHILE RECORDING. None recording it isnt too bad. But i use a Macbook late 2007 model and it is time to upgrade for me. Now, don't tell me to get a PC because that is not a option, as much as I would like to, its not dont ask my why, it's just not. Now, there is two options for me. A macbook pro, (not the retina display, model before that), and an imac. As much as I would just love to go for the imac without a doubt, the portability of a macbook is VERY, VERY convienient to me. Now for the upgrades I would make to them afterwards.
Macbook Pro- 8gb ram around 1300 area if i get it refurb maybe an extra 200 taken off.
iMac- 16gb ram $1,600(if I get it refurb. 1,350)
I want minecraft to run 60+ FPS on either of these computers WHILE RECORDING. I don't use fraps I use the Quicktime Player screen recording this. Now, if the macbook pro can run 60+ fps while recording I will get that, but if it can't, I will have to go with the iMac which, by default, if obvious it will run 60+ fps while recording. All help is appreciated! Thanks
Would you be willing to build a computer and then do a hackintosh? It would save you a ton of money.
Also, don't get more than 8GB of RAM unless you are doing image/video rendering that will use more than that.
EDIT: Also, what is your budget?
Don't get macs, especially for gaming. For example, for $1400, you could get a laptop with the most powerful mobile gpu in the market, while that's entry-level for macs, and also for $1400, you could get the most powerful single gpu in a desktop if you build it yourself.
Also, NEVER buy ram upgrades from apple. They charge somewhere around 5 to 10 times the actual price of ram.
Macbook Pro- 8gb ram around 1300 area if i get it refurb maybe an extra 200 taken off.
iMac- 16gb ram $1,600(if I get it refurb. 1,350)
I want minecraft to run 60+ FPS on either of these computers WHILE RECORDING. I don't use fraps I use the Quicktime Player screen recording this. Now, if the macbook pro can run 60+ fps while recording I will get that, but if it can't, I will have to go with the iMac which, by default, if obvious it will run 60+ fps while recording. All help is appreciated! Thanks
The cheapest macbook pro is $1199USD and the next model up is $1499. You will not be able to run MC smoothly while recording with those versions because they use intel integrated graphics.
You will need to get at least the 15" base model at $1799 to be able to run at 60 fps while recording, even then I don't know if you would able to. I have the last gen 17" MBP and it runs pretty smooth ( never tried recording and the FPS count stays at 60FPS for some reason, even if I change render distance), but that is way out of your price range because its configuration was $4000.
Also, NEVER buy ram upgrades from apple. They charge somewhere around 5 to 10 times the actual price of ram.
Get your facts straight it's only 2 times now. 16GB 1600MHz DDR3 RAM on pcpartpicker is about $100. Apple charges $200.
Based on what you wrote, they would charge $500-$1000
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You probably have VSync on.
In order to highlight the magnitude of the problems Apple has with cooling, here's a picture of a processor in an early Macbook Air:
And the other Macbooks are essentially slightly thicker Macbook Airs. Fun.
Side note: Does anyone else find it ironic that Macbook Airs don't have any airflow?
I never have any cooling problems. People just need to install SMC fan control
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Get your facts straight it's only 2 times now. 16GB 1600MHz DDR3 RAM on pcpartpicker is about $100. Apple charges $200.
Based on what you wrote, they would charge $500-$1000
No, they charge to upgrade from 8 to 16, not just for the 16. 16gb is actually around $90 or less, so the upgrade costs less than $45. However, Apple charges $200. I was slightly off, assuming 16gb costed $80, though.
On the Mac pros, however, it is much higher. They price 2gb of ram at $75, which is about 7 times what it actually costs.
It seems they have made the prices slightly more reasonable. 6gb extra ram on the mac mini used to be $300, now it's only $150, or five times the value.
If you really are hell-bent on getting a horribly overpric--I mean, a Macbook, get a model that has a dedicated GPU in it. Although I'm not sure whether you'd be fond of paying 2000 bucks for a computer with a Radeon 6450M/6750M (depends on which model). Its' i7 CPU may be among the best, but that still doesn't justify its' high price for a computer whose GPU can barely play new games on low (6490M) / medium (6750M) settings.
You'd better think about this decision one more time. Like someone else said, you can get a much better & cheaper Windows laptop and just install Hackintosh on it.. Your wallet will thank you, and you get the same stuff from a Mac for much less money.
Ok, how about someone tells me what type of computer(pc or mac) I need to run minecraft smoothly while recording. Everything, where to go to find it, how much money, if i need to build it all the good stuff. I was really wanting a mac because I've been using them for years already and having to get used to a whole new type of computer is just really inconvient and I like how apple is very user friendly. I know all you guys pretty much hate apple but I personally like their stuff and what they do. Im just worried about all the viruses and all the crap PC's can get on them because I've never had a pc before so I have NO clue what to expect. I wouldn't want to pay MORE money maybe even monthly for virus protection either. I mean, wouldn't an iMac with 16gb RAM run it smoothly? Doesn't more RAM mean a faster computer? I'm not the "tech-iest" person out there so if someone could maybe give me a few pointers on what to look for, for a fast computer then I'd appreciate it.
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I don't use fraps I use the Quicktime Player screen recording this.
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There's you're problem. The only recorder that does games on mac is Screenflick, which is still really slow. And the fact it's a mac doesn't help. My macbook pro (2009) runs it about 50fps, max settings, and about 300fps under bootcamp.
Also, thanks for all your guys's help so far! I might be leaning in towards a PC now and do the Hackintosh whatever its called maybe. So yeah, keep posting on some Good gaming pc's that arent TOO crazy expensive, something maybe over average a bit. Looking into the price range of a max of 700 could go up to 800 if it's good enough for the price, again, willing to build a pc, and very flexible on it being a laptop or desktop not a biggie, as long as I can find some screen recording software on PC for free that will record without any lag I'll be fine. No lag is a must for me right now thats why I am stressing it so much, it's hard to get my channel off the ground right now because of how laggy the recordings are. So again, I appreciate all your guys' help so far! Also, i know I'm asking a lot right now but i want to be sure, so, if you could also tell me what to look for that makes a PC run minecraft, and games period, fast? Apparently RAM isn't the whole thing, what is it? Graphics card? Thanks in advance.
Also, thanks for all your guys's help so far! I might be leaning in towards a PC now and do the Hackintosh whatever its called maybe. So yeah, keep posting on some Good gaming pc's that arent TOO crazy expensive, something maybe over average a bit. Looking into the price range of a max of 700 could go up to 800 if it's good enough for the price, again, willing to build a pc, and very flexible on it being a laptop or desktop not a biggie, as long as I can find some screen recording software on PC for free that will record without any lag I'll be fine. No lag is a must for me right now thats why I am stressing it so much, it's hard to get my channel off the ground right now because of how laggy the recordings are. So again, I appreciate all your guys' help so far! Also, i know I'm asking a lot right now but i want to be sure, so, if you could also tell me what to look for that makes a PC run minecraft, and games period, fast? Apparently RAM isn't the whole thing, what is it? Graphics card? Thanks in advance.
I'll give you a short rundown. Your processor does calculations. It will do any calculations sent to it, and a good processor will mean that normal programs will run faster, and games will run faster, since the processor calculates things like physics and stuff most of the time. The graphics card is very well optimized for graphics calculations, which is what you see on the screen. The better your video card, the better games will run (however some games use the cpu for graphics, like minecraft, so the gfx card doesn't matter much), but it is limited by the cpu, the same way the cpu is limited by the graphics card. It is important to get a balance between the cpu and graphics. Ram is random access memory, and it stores all the data for running programs. The more ram you have, the more data you can store in active memory, and the more programs you can run. 8gb should be plenty, especially since ram is dirt cheap right now. Ram also has a speed, measured in mhz. Don't worry about that. Just go for 1333mhz, and you'll be fine. Your hard drive stores thongs (you probably know that) and there are two main types. Platter drives, which have a magnetic disk, and SSD (Solid State Drives). Platter drives have very high capacity, and a fairly long lifespan, and they cost very little per gb. SSDs have low capacity, are expensive (high price per gb), have a short lifespan, but they are lightning fast. You usually use an ssd as a boot drive, with only windows, and startup programs, and a high capacity platter HD (1-2TB) for everything else. That way you boot fast, but you have lots of storage. When looking for normal drives, look at the RPMs. 2500 is slow. 7200rpm is fast. 10000 is uneccessary. And that concludes your basic rundown of the normal computer.
I'll give you a short rundown. Your processor does calculations. It will do any calculations sent to it, and a good processor will mean that normal programs will run faster, and games will run faster, since the processor calculates things like physics and stuff most of the time. The graphics card is very well optimized for graphics calculations, which is what you see on the screen. The better your video card, the better games will run (however some games use the cpu for graphics, like minecraft, so the gfx card doesn't matter much), but it is limited by the cpu, the same way the cpu is limited by the graphics card. It is important to get a balance between the cpu and graphics. Ram is random access memory, and it stores all the data for running programs. The more ram you have, the more data you can store in active memory, and the more programs you can run. 8gb should be plenty, especially since ram is dirt cheap right now. Ram also has a speed, measured in mhz. Don't worry about that. Just go for 1333mhz, and you'll be fine. Your hard drive stores thongs (you probably know that) and there are two main types. Platter drives, which have a magnetic disk, and SSD (Solid State Drives). Platter drives have very high capacity, and a fairly long lifespan, and they cost very little per gb. SSDs have low capacity, are expensive (high price per gb), have a short lifespan, but they are lightning fast. You usually use an ssd as a boot drive, with only windows, and startup programs, and a high capacity platter HD (1-2TB) for everything else. That way you boot fast, but you have lots of storage. When looking for normal drives, look at the RPMs. 2500 is slow. 7200rpm is fast. 10000 is uneccessary. And that concludes your basic rundown of the normal computer.
Ok, so look for a good processor, ill probably get an i7 processor, good graphics card(maybe recommend one), good amount of ram, probably 16gb just because of the fact that I can get it for real cheap, good CPU, and good amount of mhz speed.
Ok, so look for a good processor, ill probably get an i7 processor, good graphics card(maybe recommend one), good amount of ram, probably 16gb just because of the fact that I can get it for real cheap, good CPU, and good amount of mhz speed.
Lol thanks for the info!
for what you want to do an AMD Trinity based laptop will be perfect, they're very powerful for what they are and have great battery life, an i7 is not needed, 16GB is insane overkill, and GHz =/= performance
So would something like this maybe do the trick? I don't think the graphics card is good by any standards so maybe upgrade to...? What's the best graphics card out their? Top of the line.
So would something like this maybe do the trick? I don't think the graphics card is good by any standards so maybe upgrade to...? What's the best graphics card out their? Top of the line.
that build as a whole is ****, the FX is a terrible processor, the GT 520 is many years ancient, no name on the HDD or PSU, which usually means bad, the only good thing about it is the case
CyberpowerPC Gamer Ultra GUA250 Desktop Computer GUA250 B&H So would something like this maybe do the trick? I don't think the graphics card is good by any standards so maybe upgrade to...? What would be a over average graphics card to get instead of this one on this computer? Nothing too pricey
Macbook Pro- 8gb ram around 1300 area if i get it refurb maybe an extra 200 taken off.
iMac- 16gb ram $1,600(if I get it refurb. 1,350)
I want minecraft to run 60+ FPS on either of these computers WHILE RECORDING. I don't use fraps I use the Quicktime Player screen recording this. Now, if the macbook pro can run 60+ fps while recording I will get that, but if it can't, I will have to go with the iMac which, by default, if obvious it will run 60+ fps while recording. All help is appreciated! Thanks
Also, don't get more than 8GB of RAM unless you are doing image/video rendering that will use more than that.
EDIT: Also, what is your budget?
2 or 3 months.A long-ass time.Oh boy, visual basic. I can barely contain my excitement. Not.
Also, NEVER buy ram upgrades from apple. They charge somewhere around 5 to 10 times the actual price of ram.
The cheapest macbook pro is $1199USD and the next model up is $1499. You will not be able to run MC smoothly while recording with those versions because they use intel integrated graphics.
You will need to get at least the 15" base model at $1799 to be able to run at 60 fps while recording, even then I don't know if you would able to. I have the last gen 17" MBP and it runs pretty smooth ( never tried recording and the FPS count stays at 60FPS for some reason, even if I change render distance), but that is way out of your price range because its configuration was $4000.
Get your facts straight it's only 2 times now. 16GB 1600MHz DDR3 RAM on pcpartpicker is about $100. Apple charges $200.
Based on what you wrote, they would charge $500-$1000
You probably have VSync on.
In order to highlight the magnitude of the problems Apple has with cooling, here's a picture of a processor in an early Macbook Air:
And the other Macbooks are essentially slightly thicker Macbook Airs. Fun.
Side note: Does anyone else find it ironic that Macbook Airs don't have any airflow?
I never have any cooling problems. People just need to install SMC fan control
No, they charge to upgrade from 8 to 16, not just for the 16. 16gb is actually around $90 or less, so the upgrade costs less than $45. However, Apple charges $200. I was slightly off, assuming 16gb costed $80, though.
On the Mac pros, however, it is much higher. They price 2gb of ram at $75, which is about 7 times what it actually costs.
It seems they have made the prices slightly more reasonable. 6gb extra ram on the mac mini used to be $300, now it's only $150, or five times the value.
You'd better think about this decision one more time. Like someone else said, you can get a much better & cheaper Windows laptop and just install Hackintosh on it.. Your wallet will thank you, and you get the same stuff from a Mac for much less money.
There's you're problem. The only recorder that does games on mac is Screenflick, which is still really slow. And the fact it's a mac doesn't help. My macbook pro (2009) runs it about 50fps, max settings, and about 300fps under bootcamp.
If anything build a windows PC. Here's a nice $550 build (not including monitor, kb, and mouse!): http://teksyndicate.com/videos/build-550-gaming-pc-june-2012
I'll give you a short rundown. Your processor does calculations. It will do any calculations sent to it, and a good processor will mean that normal programs will run faster, and games will run faster, since the processor calculates things like physics and stuff most of the time. The graphics card is very well optimized for graphics calculations, which is what you see on the screen. The better your video card, the better games will run (however some games use the cpu for graphics, like minecraft, so the gfx card doesn't matter much), but it is limited by the cpu, the same way the cpu is limited by the graphics card. It is important to get a balance between the cpu and graphics. Ram is random access memory, and it stores all the data for running programs. The more ram you have, the more data you can store in active memory, and the more programs you can run. 8gb should be plenty, especially since ram is dirt cheap right now. Ram also has a speed, measured in mhz. Don't worry about that. Just go for 1333mhz, and you'll be fine. Your hard drive stores thongs (you probably know that) and there are two main types. Platter drives, which have a magnetic disk, and SSD (Solid State Drives). Platter drives have very high capacity, and a fairly long lifespan, and they cost very little per gb. SSDs have low capacity, are expensive (high price per gb), have a short lifespan, but they are lightning fast. You usually use an ssd as a boot drive, with only windows, and startup programs, and a high capacity platter HD (1-2TB) for everything else. That way you boot fast, but you have lots of storage. When looking for normal drives, look at the RPMs. 2500 is slow. 7200rpm is fast. 10000 is uneccessary. And that concludes your basic rundown of the normal computer.
Here's a decent $550 build: http://teksyndicate.com/videos/build-550-gaming-pc-june-2012Here's an even better one. I can knock the price down if you want: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/a6sS
Ok, so look for a good processor, ill probably get an i7 processor, good graphics card(maybe recommend one), good amount of ram, probably 16gb just because of the fact that I can get it for real cheap, good CPU, and good amount of mhz speed.
Lol thanks for the info!
for what you want to do an AMD Trinity based laptop will be perfect, they're very powerful for what they are and have great battery life, an i7 is not needed, 16GB is insane overkill, and GHz =/= performance
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So would something like this maybe do the trick? I don't think the graphics card is good by any standards so maybe upgrade to...? What's the best graphics card out their? Top of the line.
that build as a whole is ****, the FX is a terrible processor, the GT 520 is many years ancient, no name on the HDD or PSU, which usually means bad, the only good thing about it is the case
i5-4690K @4.6GHz ~ ASRock Z97X Fatal1ty Killer ~ EKWB Supremacy MX ~ Watercooled SLI STRIX 970s
Project RedShift
http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/memory/#s=301600&qq=1&z=16384&sort=a8