Anyone with a Hd3000 mind loading up a clean install of windows or doing a live boot with a Linux distro and load up the early Intel drivers benchmark MC then load up the newest ones and see the difference.
I mean it could be possible Intel had a really poor drivers when working with Opengl and fixed it.
I doubt it is going to boost it to the performance the Op is reporting also make sure you do it at a low resolution like the OP computer.
Wow, guys. Minecraft uses Java to render its graphics. It doesn't even require OpenGL, let alone DirectX, and does so by relying almost entirely on the CPU to do absolutely everything, even in terms of graphics. Your best video card won't help your MC framerate more than a $20 proportional price increase to your processor if you're already above the (very) low entrance threshold for video cards. For example, I own a MBP with an i7 and HD Radeon 6750M and get better FPS on that than my desktop, which has a Phenom II X4 955 BE and an HD Radeon 6870.
Intel HD 3000 is above that threshold and the i5 series is great, so it's no wonder he can play well. I'm not entirely sure about his screen capture quality, but considering that is almost entirely GPU, I believe it.
The amount of wrong in this post completely blew my mind.
Was that serious? Really?
I think everyone else covered how LWJGL uses Opengl for rendering. So I won't repeat that mantra.
Well if you are running optifine that would help explain it.
Also if you are not running in fullscreen that can help fps.
Still seems like more then you should be getting with that GPU.
Then again Apple was at least smart and put in 1333mhz ram unlike most low end other manufactures and I have a feeling this is majority of the reason. That combined with a low res screen.
My guess is you also keep your computer free of crap unlike 80% of computer users.
I still think you are getting more then I think you should based on other peoples reports.
I don't run optifine. But I also don't use fullscreen, so that might be helping. And yeah... I'm obsessive over cleaning out my hard drive.
I don't run optifine. But I also don't use fullscreen, so that might be helping. And yeah... I'm obsessive over cleaning out my hard drive.
Not running in fullscreen would help but does not explain the frames by its self.
Ya I guess maybe Intel did put some massive driver updates out only reason why you would be getting the frames when people with similar specs last year were lucky to get fast and normal render distance.
I use the exact same computer as the OP. Minecraft runs great for me as well. Optifine seems to help though. There was no dedicated GPU option on the early 2011 13" MBP. The only option was the Intel HD 3000.
edit: Here is a link to the tech specs right from the Apple site regarding this specific MBP model. There is no dedicated GPU option.
Because a specs program is right 100% of the time.
Cool. Turns out, I have a 486 Processor than. Because MSD told me so and spec programs are right 100% of the time!
I linked a video with a person with the same laptop and you can ask anyone with an Intel HD 3000 most of them have terrible performance the GPU still matters in MC.
If most of them have terrible performance, what about the rest?
fwiw I have a GMA x3100 and I bump into Linux related problems with MC far more than performance related problems. And the processor is far less powerful than the one listed (T3200 Dual Core, iirc).
Anyway it was my understanding that i3, i5, and i7 are like "Sandy Bridge" or whatever it's called, which adds Graphics-processing capabilities into the processor for Operating Systems that support it. I suspect that is at play.
If most of them have terrible performance, what about the rest?
fwiw I have a GMA x3100 and I bump into Linux related problems with MC far more than performance related problems. And the processor is far less powerful than the one listed (T3200 Dual Core, iirc).
Anyway it was my understanding that i3, i5, and i7 are like "Sandy Bridge" or whatever it's called, which adds Graphics-processing capabilities into the processor for Operating Systems that support it. I suspect that is at play.
The rest are the two people in this thread that are reporting wayyy higher fps then anyone else I have seen with a Hd 3000 on this fourm or anywhere else
Sandbridge has an IGP the HD 3000 it is quite a bit faster them the GMA at least in Directx games Minecraft runs just as crappy on both. This could be due to bad drivers that are now fixed that's why I would like someone else to test because I am interested why they are getting this performance.
I can't tell if people are kidding when they say that.
it was sarcasm; MSD is a spec tool from the early 90's. There was nothing later than a 486 when it was published so it will report anything later as a 486 processor.
I was using it as an example that... no, spec programs are not 100% right all the time. Actually, they are equally likely to get things wrong. I've had a lot of things completely misreported on various computers using any number of specification programs.
1st: Some spec programs don't actually look at the hardware at all. Speccy falls into this category. It just looks at the installed drivers. If there aren't drivers installed, you might want a spec tool to find out what to install. all speccy will tell you is you have a "Standard PCI VGA Adapter" which doesn't exist as an actual product. Some other tools (Everest, Belarc) will actually look at the hardware and determine exactly what the hardware is by actually asking it.
I like to think of it as a group of people. The spec program is a visitor that has the task of identifying the guests in the party. A driver is sort of like a person that acts as a "liaison" for a piece of hardware. In an ideal case, the proper driver is installed:
Speccy: Hello chaps! Say, Video driver, what are you driving
Geforce 9800GT Driver: 9800GT my good man!
Speccy: Ahh, thank you good sir!
but if not:
Speccy: Hello chaps! Say, Video Driver, what are you driving?
Standard PCI VGA Adapter Driver: *drools on self* HURRR DURR? I dunno. A Framebuffer I suppose? *spits up a little on bib*
Speccy: Ooooh kay then...
Other tools say to **** with liasons and push them out of the way and ask the hardware itself. This isn't 100% accurate either because the only real way to identify hardware is to check for specific scenarios, such as having certain data at given hardware addresses (in particular, things like the Video BIOS).
That said though, I think the spirit of the original statement was that those spec programs don't purposely lie about what they are reporting.
I can't tell if people are kidding when they say that.
It was sarcasm in my case.
Most spec programs don't pick up a swappable graphics most of the time and that's what me and I think most of us assumed he had at first.
Also what speed of ram do you have?
I think this and newer drivers is the answer Apple bothers to put in highspeed ram unlike pretty much every other OEM ever.
I mean it could be possible Intel had a really poor drivers when working with Opengl and fixed it.
I doubt it is going to boost it to the performance the Op is reporting also make sure you do it at a low resolution like the OP computer.
The amount of wrong in this post completely blew my mind.
Was that serious? Really?
I think everyone else covered how LWJGL uses Opengl for rendering. So I won't repeat that mantra.
I don't run optifine. But I also don't use fullscreen, so that might be helping. And yeah... I'm obsessive over cleaning out my hard drive.
Computer Specs: 4GB 1333 Mhz DDR3 RAM- 320GB 5400RPM Hard Drive- Dual Core Intel Core i5 2415M @2.3 Ghz- Intel HD 3000 Graphics- Only $1200! Yeah, I got a Mac, because I'm stoopid.Scratch that: Intel i5 2500k, 1TB 7200RPM Seagate Barracuda, Gigabyte Z68-D3H-B3, 8GB 1333Mhz DDR3 RAM, Radeon HD 6850, Running OSX.Not running in fullscreen would help but does not explain the frames by its self.
Ya I guess maybe Intel did put some massive driver updates out only reason why you would be getting the frames when people with similar specs last year were lucky to get fast and normal render distance.
Yours runs 8GB RAM, and a 512MB Intel HD 3000. Not the same model.
Computer Specs: 4GB 1333 Mhz DDR3 RAM- 320GB 5400RPM Hard Drive- Dual Core Intel Core i5 2415M @2.3 Ghz- Intel HD 3000 Graphics- Only $1200! Yeah, I got a Mac, because I'm stoopid.Scratch that: Intel i5 2500k, 1TB 7200RPM Seagate Barracuda, Gigabyte Z68-D3H-B3, 8GB 1333Mhz DDR3 RAM, Radeon HD 6850, Running OSX.Cool. Turns out, I have a 486 Processor than. Because MSD told me so and spec programs are right 100% of the time!
If most of them have terrible performance, what about the rest?
fwiw I have a GMA x3100 and I bump into Linux related problems with MC far more than performance related problems. And the processor is far less powerful than the one listed (T3200 Dual Core, iirc).
Anyway it was my understanding that i3, i5, and i7 are like "Sandy Bridge" or whatever it's called, which adds Graphics-processing capabilities into the processor for Operating Systems that support it. I suspect that is at play.
The rest are the two people in this thread that are reporting wayyy higher fps then anyone else I have seen with a Hd 3000 on this fourm or anywhere else
Sandbridge has an IGP the HD 3000 it is quite a bit faster them the GMA at least in Directx games Minecraft runs just as crappy on both. This could be due to bad drivers that are now fixed that's why I would like someone else to test because I am interested why they are getting this performance.
I can't tell if people are kidding when they say that.
it was sarcasm; MSD is a spec tool from the early 90's. There was nothing later than a 486 when it was published so it will report anything later as a 486 processor.
I was using it as an example that... no, spec programs are not 100% right all the time. Actually, they are equally likely to get things wrong. I've had a lot of things completely misreported on various computers using any number of specification programs.
1st: Some spec programs don't actually look at the hardware at all. Speccy falls into this category. It just looks at the installed drivers. If there aren't drivers installed, you might want a spec tool to find out what to install. all speccy will tell you is you have a "Standard PCI VGA Adapter" which doesn't exist as an actual product. Some other tools (Everest, Belarc) will actually look at the hardware and determine exactly what the hardware is by actually asking it.
I like to think of it as a group of people. The spec program is a visitor that has the task of identifying the guests in the party. A driver is sort of like a person that acts as a "liaison" for a piece of hardware. In an ideal case, the proper driver is installed:
Speccy: Hello chaps! Say, Video driver, what are you driving
Geforce 9800GT Driver: 9800GT my good man!
Speccy: Ahh, thank you good sir!
but if not:
Speccy: Hello chaps! Say, Video Driver, what are you driving?
Standard PCI VGA Adapter Driver: *drools on self* HURRR DURR? I dunno. A Framebuffer I suppose? *spits up a little on bib*
Speccy: Ooooh kay then...
Other tools say to **** with liasons and push them out of the way and ask the hardware itself. This isn't 100% accurate either because the only real way to identify hardware is to check for specific scenarios, such as having certain data at given hardware addresses (in particular, things like the Video BIOS).
That said though, I think the spirit of the original statement was that those spec programs don't purposely lie about what they are reporting.
It was sarcasm in my case.
Most spec programs don't pick up a swappable graphics most of the time and that's what me and I think most of us assumed he had at first.
That's better then what some people have reported on here with the same GPU.
http://www.minecraft...are_performance
Also what speed of ram do you have?
I think this and newer drivers is the answer Apple bothers to put in highspeed ram unlike pretty much every other OEM ever.