OP run "About my mac" with minecraft still running. I have the 17" (2011) MBP and it says intel HD3000 until I click minecraft, then it switches to the Radeon. 6790 I believe.
Heres a picture with Minecraft, and Garageband running.
I run a Macbook Pro Early 2011 13" With these specs:
4GB DDR3 1333Mhz RAM
Intel Core i5 @2.3 Ghz
320 GB 5400RPM Hard Drive
Intel HD 3000 Graphics
I bought this computer before I had ever heard of Minecraft. I didn't know much about computers either, and looking backing on it, it was a horrid decision. I could've built a similar desktop for $400 or $500, and I bought it for $1200. But anyways, I get around 100 fps while running a 256x256 texture pack. And when I'm recording, with the texture pack, about 60 fps. I'm a musician too, and while running garageband, I can run and record up to like 30 tracks at a time no problem. I do some heavy video editing with Final Cut Pro X, and it runs flawlessly. Not complaining at all, because its seems to run as If it had much better specs. But sometimes I wonder, why? What causes it to run so well? Just curious to see what people have to say.
And by no means am I trying to be a Macintosh fanboy. I would've probably built a computer if I knew more about it, and that you could even do that. Although I do have to admit, I love OS X. But not trying to start an argument about which is better, just wondering what everyone has to say.
I would -hope- you get 60 fps with a $1200 laptop.
Is there an actual question I'm missing here though? I don't get whats so perplexing about getting 60+ fps with an i5 and even low resolution integrated graphics, it -is- minecraft after all. It certainly isn't just because it's a Mac or something.
If it has a discrete video card that would make the question implied even more bizarre.
I would -hope- you get 60 fps with a $1200 laptop.
Is there an actual question I'm missing here though? I don't get whats so perplexing about getting 60+ fps with an i5 and even low resolution integrated graphics, it -is- minecraft after all. It certainly isn't just because it's a Mac or something.
I linked a video with a person with the same laptop and you can ask anyone with an Intel HD 3000 most of them have terrible performance the GPU still matters in MC.
I linked a video with a person with the same laptop and you can ask anyone with an Intel HD 3000 most of them have terrible performance the GPU still matters in MC.
It matters slightly, anything over integrated graphics will usually perform fine. Even relatively recent integrated graphics would likely do fine on lower resolution was my point. Perhaps he has a discrete video card, perhaps not, I don't think it matters that much really, although a discrete video card would obviously give him much higher performance for many reasons(we are talking integrated after all.)
I don't get what the OP's question means pertaining to this though. He seems to be skirting around asking if his laptop runs good because it's a mac when in reality it runs well because it obviously has the hardware for it. If we wanted to get into a pricing discussion he'd probably have a relatively high end discrete video card in anything else for the same price. Minecraft running speedy is certainly not a mac symptom.
So like I said, what's the actual question here? OP is a bit ambiguous about what question he really wants an answer to.
Except he lacks the hardware according to the specs he gave us.
Recent IGPs would be fine like the Intel Hd4000 but this the Hd 3000 even chokes at this resolution.
So like I said, what's the actual question here? OP is a bit ambiguous about what question he really wants an answer to.
The OP's wondering why he is getting such good FPS, even though his GPU is bad. If you build a computer with an i5 and no discrete GPU, then you got 100 fps wouldn't you wonder how you were getting 100 fps?
The OP's wondering why he is getting such good FPS, even though his GPU is bad. If you build a computer with an i5 and no discrete GPU, then you got 100 fps wouldn't you wonder how you were getting 100 fps?
Where did he ask about his video card?
He asked about the performance of his machine as a whole, he obviously doesn't seem to know very much about the specs of the hardware, everyone else simply decided to take his video card for a ride and tell him he's lieing about it or some nonsense.
If he has a discrete video card I don't think it matters that much to his question, yes? I don't presume to know if he has one or not without being infront of the thing, nor shall I assume unless it becomes an important part of the question.
So far the replies I'm reading are something like: "Why is my banana yellow?"
Everyone else: "THOSE ARE NOT THE SPOTS YOU SAID IT HAD!"
He asked about the performance of his machine as a whole, he obviously doesn't seem to know very much about the specs of the hardware, everyone else simply decided to take his video card for a ride and tell him he's lieing about it or some nonsense.
If he has a discrete video card I don't think it matters that much to his question, yes? I don't presume to know if he has one or not without being infront of the thing, nor shall I assume unless it becomes an important part of the question.
If we figure out that it does indeed have a discrete video card, then we've just answered his question. He doesn't think he has one, but it seems as though he must, and if we somehow figure that out then we have just answered his question.
He asked about the performance of his machine as a whole, he obviously doesn't seem to know very much about the specs of the hardware, everyone else simply decided to take his video card for a ride and tell him he's lieing about it or some nonsense.
If he has a discrete video card I don't think it matters that much to his question, yes? I don't presume to know if he has one or not without being infront of the thing, nor shall I assume unless it becomes an important part of the question.
So far the replies I'm reading are something like: "Why is my banana yellow?"
Everyone else: "THOSE ARE NOT THE SPOTS YOU SAID IT HAD!"
Uh he is getting more performance then he should be getting and he like most of us are curios as to why.
His CPU is more then plenty for his performance the question is why he has a GPU that should be getting him much lower performance is getting him what he is getting.
We have had posts like this before and normally its a person have switchable graphics.
If we figure out that it does indeed have a discrete video card, then we've just answered his question. He doesn't think he has one, but it seems as though he must, and if we somehow figure that out then we have just answered his question.
How does that answer his question? He asked why his $1200 laptop runs well, and you answer is.. because it has a discrete video card?
How is that relevant to the question? You could just as easily say "because it has a good CPU!" You're trying to prove a detail about his computer not saying why it runs well.
Granted like I said above, his question is ambiguous, but you aren't really helping by inventing a question for him that doesn't seem present at all in his original post.
I believe the simple answer to his question is: your hardware performs well enough to net you that performance, regardless of the OS or it being a laptop. For that price, it honestly should anyway.
Uh he is getting more performance then he should be getting and he like most of us are curios as to why.
Thats a strange implication considering he seemed to have no care or wonder about his video card, he seemed to think it perfectly ordinary(integrated or not.) I think the real point here is that other people posting in the thread are wondering it.
His CPU is more then plenty for his performance the question is why he has a GPU that should be getting him much lower performance is getting him what he is getting.
Thats -a- question, not necessarily -the- question. But if you want to ask him that go ahead. I'm simply trying to cover his -original- question.
Thats a strange implication considering he seemed to have no care or wonder about his video card, he seemed to think it perfectly ordinary(integrated or not.) I think the real point here is that other people posting in the thread are wondering it.
He asked why he gets such high FPS and the answer is he should not with the specs given. I would think anyone in this situation would wonder why his computer is doing better then it should.
He asked why he gets such high FPS and the answer is he should not with the specs given.
I wouldn't really agree with that being an answer, since the computer is getting the FPS whether or not he's listing the right specs. He didn't ask anything like "how am I getting such high FPS with this terrible videocard!" that would be more toward what you're saying. He asked a generic question and people just homed in on him saying he said the wrong videocard in his specs.
I'm pretty sure I've said this a few times now: Hardly an important detail.
I would think anyone in this situation would wonder why his computer is doing better then it should.
I'm not, I'm really not that interested. I was interested in answering his original question not the one people posed in the thread later on. If you want to pester him and tell him he's wrong until he posts pages of diagnostic information or something then go right ahead.
I wouldn't really agree with that being an answer, since the computer is getting the FPS whether or not he's listing the right specs. He didn't ask anything like "how am I getting such high FPS with this terrible videocard!" that would be more toward what you're saying. He asked a generic question and people just homed in on him saying he said the wrong videocard in his specs.
I'm pretty sure I've said this a few times now: Hardly an important detail.
So what should have has said because your computer gets that much that's not a vague answer at all.
"What causes it to run so well?"
That is what he asked well the answer is we have no clue but we could get more information we could find out why.
How am I pestering him if he just wants to not know why his computer runs so well he can just not answer its not like I forced him to post this. Well if it turns out its reporting the wrong model or something else that shows his true specs or something else why its running well would be answer the question.
So what should have has said because your computer gets that much that's not a vague answer at all.
"What causes it to run so well?"
The hardware? We've been over this, you can't just specify one thing anyway. You can't have an amazing CPU and a crappy video card or vice versa and get good performance in most games, minecraft is one of the few possible exceptions to that general rule.
That is what he asked well the answer is we have no clue but we could get more information we could find out why.
I gave him a generic answer until he refines his question or is satisfied with what I said, his post could imply many questions, not relating to the video card specifically. Like I said, if he wants to ask that one he may ask it.
How am I pestering him if he just wants to not know why his computer runs so well he can just not answer its not like I forced him to post this. Well if it turns out its reporting the wrong model or something else that shows his true specs or something else why its running well would be answer the question.
It's pestering because I see multiple posts back and forth between the OP and others attempting to tell him he is listing the wrong video card and him going on about how he posted what he believes are the correct specs. If you have a better way for him to check then maybe you should tell him, if he's even interested.
To me he just doesn't seem that interested in proving he has a discrete video card, but that's just me, and again, it doesn't seem related to the original question.
I'm not sure why you're keeping this going, it's a very simple waiting game for him to answer, i don't need ten posts detailing to me why you think he's implying the question you think he is. Let him answer for himself--that goes for you, danielhep, and anyone else.
Satharis, you're being far too picky with your reading of the OP. Just because someone asks a general question doesn't mean you have to respond with a general answer.
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I use the exact same computer as the OP. Minecraft runs great for me as well. Optifine seems to help though. There was no dedicated GPU option on the early 2011 13" MBP. The only option was the Intel HD 3000.
edit: Here is a link to the tech specs right from the Apple site regarding this specific MBP model. There is no dedicated GPU option.
Satharis, you're being far too picky with your reading of the OP. Just because someone asks a general question doesn't mean you have to respond with a general answer.
I could just as easily say other people are being far too picky with details. I gave an answer I feel is appropriate with the information so far, is that bad? That sounds more like I'm not being picky actually.
Everyone seems to be basically just arguing about whether or not he has a dedicated video card and they don't seem to believe he only has integrated, so it's more them trying to prove a point than being legitly curious anyway. I don't really care to bicker about that.
Well if you are running optifine that would help explain it.
Also if you are not running in fullscreen that can help fps.
Still seems like more then you should be getting with that GPU.
Then again Apple was at least smart and put in 1333mhz ram unlike most low end other manufactures and I have a feeling this is majority of the reason. That combined with a low res screen.
My guess is you also keep your computer free of crap unlike 80% of computer users.
I still think you are getting more then I think you should based on other peoples reports.
Wow, guys. Minecraft uses Java to render its graphics. It doesn't even require OpenGL, let alone DirectX, and does so by relying almost entirely on the CPU to do absolutely everything, even in terms of graphics. Your best video card won't help your MC framerate more than a $20 proportional price increase to your processor if you're already above the (very) low entrance threshold for video cards. For example, I own a MBP with an i7 and HD Radeon 6750M and get better FPS on that than my desktop, which has a Phenom II X4 955 BE and an HD Radeon 6870.
Intel HD 3000 is above that threshold and the i5 series is great, so it's no wonder he can play well. I'm not entirely sure about his screen capture quality, but considering that is almost entirely GPU, I believe it.
Wow, guys. Minecraft uses Java to render its graphics. It doesn't even require OpenGL, let alone DirectX, and does so by relying almost entirely on the CPU to do absolutely everything, even in terms of graphics. Your best video card won't help your MC framerate more than a $20 proportional price increase to your processor if you're already above the (very) low entrance threshold for video cards. For example, I own a MBP with an i7 and HD Radeon 6750M and get better FPS on that than my desktop, which has a Phenom II X4 955 BE and an HD Radeon 6870.
Intel HD 3000 is above that threshold and the i5 series is great, so it's no wonder he can play well. I'm not entirely sure about his screen capture quality, but considering that is almost entirely GPU, I believe it.
/facepalm
And Battlefield 3 uses c++ to render its graphics not directx.
Minecraft is programed in the programming language Java and it uses LWJGL the Lightweight Java Game Library.
LWJGL allows Java to acess OpenGl OpenCL and OpenAL so yes it uses OpenGl for its Graphics and OpenAL for its Audio.
The Hd3000 had issues at release with OpenGL I know Intels recent drivers have helped and that would explain why they are getting better frames now then the same computers months ago.
Heres a picture with Minecraft, and Garageband running.
Hahahaha!
Computer Specs: 4GB 1333 Mhz DDR3 RAM- 320GB 5400RPM Hard Drive- Dual Core Intel Core i5 2415M @2.3 Ghz- Intel HD 3000 Graphics- Only $1200! Yeah, I got a Mac, because I'm stoopid.Scratch that: Intel i5 2500k, 1TB 7200RPM Seagate Barracuda, Gigabyte Z68-D3H-B3, 8GB 1333Mhz DDR3 RAM, Radeon HD 6850, Running OSX.I would -hope- you get 60 fps with a $1200 laptop.
Is there an actual question I'm missing here though? I don't get whats so perplexing about getting 60+ fps with an i5 and even low resolution integrated graphics, it -is- minecraft after all. It certainly isn't just because it's a Mac or something.
If it has a discrete video card that would make the question implied even more bizarre.
I linked a video with a person with the same laptop and you can ask anyone with an Intel HD 3000 most of them have terrible performance the GPU still matters in MC.
It matters slightly, anything over integrated graphics will usually perform fine. Even relatively recent integrated graphics would likely do fine on lower resolution was my point. Perhaps he has a discrete video card, perhaps not, I don't think it matters that much really, although a discrete video card would obviously give him much higher performance for many reasons(we are talking integrated after all.)
I don't get what the OP's question means pertaining to this though. He seems to be skirting around asking if his laptop runs good because it's a mac when in reality it runs well because it obviously has the hardware for it. If we wanted to get into a pricing discussion he'd probably have a relatively high end discrete video card in anything else for the same price. Minecraft running speedy is certainly not a mac symptom.
So like I said, what's the actual question here? OP is a bit ambiguous about what question he really wants an answer to.
Except he lacks the hardware according to the specs he gave us.
Recent IGPs would be fine like the Intel Hd4000 but this the Hd 3000 even chokes at this resolution.
The OP's wondering why he is getting such good FPS, even though his GPU is bad. If you build a computer with an i5 and no discrete GPU, then you got 100 fps wouldn't you wonder how you were getting 100 fps?
Where did he ask about his video card?
He asked about the performance of his machine as a whole, he obviously doesn't seem to know very much about the specs of the hardware, everyone else simply decided to take his video card for a ride and tell him he's lieing about it or some nonsense.
If he has a discrete video card I don't think it matters that much to his question, yes? I don't presume to know if he has one or not without being infront of the thing, nor shall I assume unless it becomes an important part of the question.
So far the replies I'm reading are something like: "Why is my banana yellow?"
Everyone else: "THOSE ARE NOT THE SPOTS YOU SAID IT HAD!"
If we figure out that it does indeed have a discrete video card, then we've just answered his question. He doesn't think he has one, but it seems as though he must, and if we somehow figure that out then we have just answered his question.
Uh he is getting more performance then he should be getting and he like most of us are curios as to why.
His CPU is more then plenty for his performance the question is why he has a GPU that should be getting him much lower performance is getting him what he is getting.
We have had posts like this before and normally its a person have switchable graphics.
How does that answer his question? He asked why his $1200 laptop runs well, and you answer is.. because it has a discrete video card?
How is that relevant to the question? You could just as easily say "because it has a good CPU!" You're trying to prove a detail about his computer not saying why it runs well.
Granted like I said above, his question is ambiguous, but you aren't really helping by inventing a question for him that doesn't seem present at all in his original post.
I believe the simple answer to his question is: your hardware performs well enough to net you that performance, regardless of the OS or it being a laptop. For that price, it honestly should anyway.
Thats a strange implication considering he seemed to have no care or wonder about his video card, he seemed to think it perfectly ordinary(integrated or not.) I think the real point here is that other people posting in the thread are wondering it.
Thats -a- question, not necessarily -the- question. But if you want to ask him that go ahead. I'm simply trying to cover his -original- question.
I've seen quite a few posts, I understand where you're coming from, that doesn't change my point though.
He asked why he gets such high FPS and the answer is he should not with the specs given. I would think anyone in this situation would wonder why his computer is doing better then it should.
I wouldn't really agree with that being an answer, since the computer is getting the FPS whether or not he's listing the right specs. He didn't ask anything like "how am I getting such high FPS with this terrible videocard!" that would be more toward what you're saying. He asked a generic question and people just homed in on him saying he said the wrong videocard in his specs.
I'm pretty sure I've said this a few times now: Hardly an important detail.
I'm not, I'm really not that interested. I was interested in answering his original question not the one people posed in the thread later on. If you want to pester him and tell him he's wrong until he posts pages of diagnostic information or something then go right ahead.
So what should have has said because your computer gets that much that's not a vague answer at all.
"What causes it to run so well?"
That is what he asked well the answer is we have no clue but we could get more information we could find out why.
How am I pestering him if he just wants to not know why his computer runs so well he can just not answer its not like I forced him to post this. Well if it turns out its reporting the wrong model or something else that shows his true specs or something else why its running well would be answer the question.
The hardware? We've been over this, you can't just specify one thing anyway. You can't have an amazing CPU and a crappy video card or vice versa and get good performance in most games, minecraft is one of the few possible exceptions to that general rule.
I gave him a generic answer until he refines his question or is satisfied with what I said, his post could imply many questions, not relating to the video card specifically. Like I said, if he wants to ask that one he may ask it.
It's pestering because I see multiple posts back and forth between the OP and others attempting to tell him he is listing the wrong video card and him going on about how he posted what he believes are the correct specs. If you have a better way for him to check then maybe you should tell him, if he's even interested.
To me he just doesn't seem that interested in proving he has a discrete video card, but that's just me, and again, it doesn't seem related to the original question.
I'm not sure why you're keeping this going, it's a very simple waiting game for him to answer, i don't need ten posts detailing to me why you think he's implying the question you think he is. Let him answer for himself--that goes for you, danielhep, and anyone else.
edit: Here is a link to the tech specs right from the Apple site regarding this specific MBP model. There is no dedicated GPU option.
http://support.apple.com/kb/SP619
I could just as easily say other people are being far too picky with details. I gave an answer I feel is appropriate with the information so far, is that bad? That sounds more like I'm not being picky actually.
Everyone seems to be basically just arguing about whether or not he has a dedicated video card and they don't seem to believe he only has integrated, so it's more them trying to prove a point than being legitly curious anyway. I don't really care to bicker about that.
Also if you are not running in fullscreen that can help fps.
Still seems like more then you should be getting with that GPU.
Then again Apple was at least smart and put in 1333mhz ram unlike most low end other manufactures and I have a feeling this is majority of the reason. That combined with a low res screen.
My guess is you also keep your computer free of crap unlike 80% of computer users.
I still think you are getting more then I think you should based on other peoples reports.
Intel HD 3000 is above that threshold and the i5 series is great, so it's no wonder he can play well. I'm not entirely sure about his screen capture quality, but considering that is almost entirely GPU, I believe it.
/facepalm
And Battlefield 3 uses c++ to render its graphics not directx.
Minecraft is programed in the programming language Java and it uses LWJGL the Lightweight Java Game Library.
LWJGL allows Java to acess OpenGl OpenCL and OpenAL so yes it uses OpenGl for its Graphics and OpenAL for its Audio.
The Hd3000 had issues at release with OpenGL I know Intels recent drivers have helped and that would explain why they are getting better frames now then the same computers months ago.