“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.” — Albert Einstein
"Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig." — Robert Heinlein
I'm confused here as well. I don't know what CPU to get. Decided to lower my CPU budget to $150. So might get an i3 or an AMD cpu that's quad core. When games start using more cores, does that mean that AMD will do better than an i3, right?
I know that, but how about in games that use 4 cores? :S
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I know that, but how about in games that use 4 cores? :S
Still going to lose AMD does not have that much of a clock speed advantage and Intel has hyperthreaded cores for it to gain some ground from games that could take advantage of 4 cores.
Still going to lose AMD does not have that much of a clock speed advantage and Intel has hyperthreaded cores for it to gain some ground from games that could take advantage of 4 cores.
I want some benchmarks or something. ;p
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Actually, the FX is 3 cores, but with like hyperthreading on steroids (IIRC). I was browsing anandtech's forums, and someone showed tons better performance with the hyperthreading on steroids thing off.
I'd go with the i3, because unless you wanna put all your eggs in piledriver, the i3 can be upgraded to a i5 when needed.
No Hyperthreading is not like AMDs cores.
We have been over this they are 6 cores they are small cores but they are 6 cores.
Disabling CMT(Clusterd multithreading) will give performance boost in apps that are threaded poorly on an OS that is not optimized for Bulldozer.
Initially with Hyperthreading do to the crappy way windows handled it could decrease performance more then 15%.
This is one big advantage that Linux has as AMD has been able to do pull requests to fix problems.
It is effectively Hyperthreading on steriods; see that.
No its not they work on different parts of the CPU and in different ways.
They both attempt to accomplish the same goal of increases Parallel processing performance.
OP, disregard any post in this thread that isn't buy xannos, imthat1guy, battlekid, ThefieldZy, and thenerdal. Sorry everyone else, but you are spreading misinformation.
I never said on a technical level that it is hyperthreading on steroids, but I meerly meant the effect is like hyperthreading on steroids.
They are 6 individual cores, they only share a tiny bit of components. Hyperthreading is splitting one individual core into two threads. There is no beefed up hyperthreading going on.
I'm confused here as well. I don't know what CPU to get. Decided to lower my CPU budget to $150. So might get an i3 or an AMD cpu that's quad core. When games start using more cores, does that mean that AMD will do better than an i3, right?
By the time games begin using 4 cores both CPU's will be so ancient you'll have upgraded your rig by then.
I know. Where's the page where you input what CPU, GPU, and game that makes the charts you linked?
They don't do it like that. You simply google "(part here) (game here) benchmark tomshardware" and they have charts already made that compare parts to each other in this game. The parts are a combination of similar tier last generation parts, high end last generation parts, similar tier this generation parts, and occasionaly high end parts from this generation.
So far I've definitely figured that the i3-2120/2100 is better than the FX-4100. Thus, I'm still looking between that FX-6200 and the i3-2120/2100... maybe I should just get an i5-2400 (?).
Yep that caused quite a bit of commotion when posted. Look particularly closely at the more CPU-bound games; Skyrim and Starcraft II.
BF3 is fairly CPU bound in MP my CPU causes a lot of FPS drops.
During the Beta I remember posts of it using 5 cores of a thuban CPU so it could be BF3 is showing how bulldozer is in well threaded games.
Op if you can afford the I5 go for it it has 2 more cores so in multithreaded games you will see a boost along with still have solid performance in lightly threaded games.
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/AMD-FX-8150-vs-Core-i5-2500K-and-Core-i7-2600K-CPU-Review/1402/4
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i3 kills the fx 6100 at gaming
I know that, but how about in games that use 4 cores? :S
Still going to lose AMD does not have that much of a clock speed advantage and Intel has hyperthreaded cores for it to gain some ground from games that could take advantage of 4 cores.
I want some benchmarks or something. ;p
No Hyperthreading is not like AMDs cores.
We have been over this they are 6 cores they are small cores but they are 6 cores.
Disabling CMT(Clusterd multithreading) will give performance boost in apps that are threaded poorly on an OS that is not optimized for Bulldozer.
Initially with Hyperthreading do to the crappy way windows handled it could decrease performance more then 15%.
This is one big advantage that Linux has as AMD has been able to do pull requests to fix problems.
No its not they work on different parts of the CPU and in different ways.
They both attempt to accomplish the same goal of increases Parallel processing performance.
i5 6600k 4.6ghz / MSI 280X / 8Gb 2666 DDR4 / Gigabyte Z170X-UD5 / TX550M / 500Gb 850 EVO / NZXT S340 / Corsair K65 / Corsair M60
They are 6 individual cores, they only share a tiny bit of components. Hyperthreading is splitting one individual core into two threads. There is no beefed up hyperthreading going on.
i5 6600k 4.6ghz / MSI 280X / 8Gb 2666 DDR4 / Gigabyte Z170X-UD5 / TX550M / 500Gb 850 EVO / NZXT S340 / Corsair K65 / Corsair M60
By the time games begin using 4 cores both CPU's will be so ancient you'll have upgraded your rig by then.
Can someone navigate me to the page where I can generate these charts? I can't seem to find it.
You can't generate them Tomshardware makes them and I link them.
They don't do it like that. You simply google "(part here) (game here) benchmark tomshardware" and they have charts already made that compare parts to each other in this game. The parts are a combination of similar tier last generation parts, high end last generation parts, similar tier this generation parts, and occasionaly high end parts from this generation.
So far I've definitely figured that the i3-2120/2100 is better than the FX-4100. Thus, I'm still looking between that FX-6200 and the i3-2120/2100... maybe I should just get an i5-2400 (?).
BF3 is fairly CPU bound in MP my CPU causes a lot of FPS drops.
During the Beta I remember posts of it using 5 cores of a thuban CPU so it could be BF3 is showing how bulldozer is in well threaded games.
Op if you can afford the I5 go for it it has 2 more cores so in multithreaded games you will see a boost along with still have solid performance in lightly threaded games.
I can imagine. Hard evidence that the FX series wasn't doing so well.
I assume Minecraft is a similarly CPU-bound style game?
Ya MC really only uses 1 core so the I3 will be quite a bit better.